Not so long ago many here wanted to break the bank for Wilson. After 2 games, have your thoughts of breaking the bank and salary cap changed at all?
The details: Denver acquired QB Russell Wilson and a 2022 fourth-round pick in exchange for TE Noah Fant, DE Shelby Harris, QB Drew Lock, 2022 first-, second- and fifth-round picks and 2023 first- and second-round picks.... plus a five-year, $245 million contract extension with $165 million guaranteed,
What's ironic about this is that Denver's roster isn't all that better than Seattle's.
Much better run game, better defense. It’ll take him a bit to sync with the WRs and will now be without Jeudy for a while it looks like. But I’ll give this another month atleast.
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In comment 15823458 ryanmkeane said:
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if the Giants had done that trade, every single fan would have hated it right rightly so
they would have come to love it. He's a hall of fame talent and probably more talented than any QB in Giants history.
Your Saying Russell is better than YA Tittle?
I didn't see Tittle play. But yes, I'm probably going to say Wilson is better than Tittle.
Yes we are, I know I am. It’s a no brainer if it’s just Wilson Vs Jones, it’s a conundrum when factoring costs.
Considering Denver should be 2-0 right now, and likely 0-2 with Locke I can say they made the right move. I would have traded for him if the package was reasonable.
Apparently the coach yesterday was again bumbling the clock, he appears in over his head right now. Of course, that will probably change but that team is in a tough division.
SD and KC aren't going to be held in the teens in their matchups so DEN needs to get their act together.
Schoen didn't like the costs so it would have had to be lighter? That makes no sense. You think Seattle would have taken less to send him to the Giants? Also don't think they would have given up No. 5, so the first round pick would have been 7, two spots higher than Denver's, not a lot of difference to Seattle. It most certainly would have been two firsts and two seconds to start. To start.
Of course. We can do both. Btw, it's not at all clear the cost would have been both #5 and #7 in 2022.
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Well Schoen didn’t like the cost, apparently, so it would have had to have been lighter. We also had higher picks that were worth more.
Schoen didn't like the costs so it would have had to be lighter? That makes no sense. You think Seattle would have taken less to send him to the Giants? Also don't think they would have given up No. 5, so the first round pick would have been 7, two spots higher than Denver's, not a lot of difference to Seattle. It most certainly would have been two firsts and two seconds to start. To start.
How does it not make sense? If Schoen isn't paying that price then hard stop - we aren't (and didn't pay it). But our picks in 2022 were worth more, how much weight that holds, I have no idea, but probably a decent amount.
Its splitting hairs now though. I'd probably do it and understand why we didn't. I'm not beating a drum that we missed out on some can't miss opportunity and don't mind one bit if I end up being wrong on it. But asking this question after week 2 when the team that traded for him should be 2-0 is pretty funny.
HAckett looks alarmingly bad.
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Better, can we review after the next three years... see how Wilson plays when he is 33, 34, and 35. And compare to Neal and KT.
Of course. We can do both. Btw, it's not at all clear the cost would have been both #5 and #7 in 2022.
Of course it probably wouldn't have been 5 and 7, but it would have been one of them and a 2 this year, and next year's 1 and 2 - to start with. That's four premium picks to start with for a steam trying to rebuild. Now add in a few more picks, a couple of players (we didn't have much to offer, so imagine Love and/or Robinson?) and then find an additional $17 million in cap space.
Some folks have never understood the word "cost."
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In comment 15823589 Eric from BBI said:
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Better, can we review after the next three years... see how Wilson plays when he is 33, 34, and 35. And compare to Neal and KT.
Of course. We can do both. Btw, it's not at all clear the cost would have been both #5 and #7 in 2022.
Of course it probably wouldn't have been 5 and 7, but it would have been one of them and a 2 this year, and next year's 1 and 2 - to start with. That's four premium picks to start with for a steam trying to rebuild. Now add in a few more picks, a couple of players (we didn't have much to offer, so imagine Love and/or Robinson?) and then find an additional $17 million in cap space.
Some folks have never understood the word "cost."
I agree it's a high cost, but you're getting a HOF qb. And cap space is never a reason not to add a franchise qb, it's just an excuse. Cash over cap permits you to add an expensive QB even if you're up against the cap.
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If the Broncos thought he was the missing piece for them to win a SB this year then sure, it was a good deal. If they thought Wilson was going to do the same thing Peyton did they made a huge mistake, Wilson is not in the same calls as Peyton!
Wilson has been great his entire career. You are going to crow after two games? He's a Hall of Fame talent.
When will the argument that QBs are the entire team die. That Broncos team was stacked that Peyton’s corpse won a SB with. Lots of QBs around the league would probably win a title with them (shit Teddy would have had an outside shot). Problem was they were starting Brock Osweiller who was famously dealt WITH money to get rid of his contract and other bums.
Here, here..
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I don't particularly like Russell Wilson and he certainly needs to step up. But to me the key takewaway from the Broncos is how utterly clueless their HC is.
HAckett looks alarmingly bad.
Yes, right now, the coach is getting about 95% of the vitriol from the fans. They are ready to run him out of town...they sent their PR team on the field yesterday...minus a PR. They were so bad at getting plays in that the fans were counting down the last 10 seconds of the 40 second clock to prevent any more delay of game's. Gotta say....kinda fun to sit back and watch some OTHER team fall apart!!!!!:)
My thought on Wilson, one I have broadcast to some of my friends who are Bronco fans...I cant get over the fact that we, the Giants, as crappy as we were, beat that Seattle team with Wilson at QB. And this was with McCoy at QB! The few times I saw him play the past few years, he looked....OK to good. And you dont give up that package for OK to good.
Surprisingly, Carroll revealed that part of the Seattle’s defensive game plan was to ensure that Wilson did not remain the pocket, and was forced to his left.
“When he [Wilson] moves to his left, it’s hard for him numbers-wise and all that, so we just we were able to do some stuff,” Carroll said, per Seattle Sports 710AM. “It wasn’t perfect at all, but it was effective and we felt like we were controlling it. It wasn’t always just getting clean to get the sack, it was to try and make him go where we wanted him to go, and guys did a good job.”
This is a really strong quote from Carroll imo. He knows more than anyone what Wilson's faults are and him putting this out in the open so nonchalantly was surprising.
If Denver doesn't inexplicably cough-up the ball within the five-yard line twice, Carroll's comments carry even less weight.
This could an intricate, long-term trolling of former franchise QB Russell Wilson, or it could be desperation in the face of offensive struggles in the young season. “After two weeks of watching Geno play, we don’t need to hold him back at all,” Carroll said Monday. “Geno has got his game ready to go. We need to trust him and maybe give him more opportunities and stuff. We’ve been pretty solidly conservative, counting on running the football.”
This is why I don't trust Carroll's word for very much.