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So maybe the Raven shouldn't have fired Wink, huh?

I Love Clams Casino : 9/19/2022 10:14 am
Miami did a Tecmo Bowl on that Ravens defense

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that  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 9/19/2022 10:16 am : link
came immediately to my mind... though technically, both insist he wasn't fired.
Combined with  
cjac : 9/19/2022 10:17 am : link
the job Patrick Graham did in Vegas yesterday, i'm feeling pretty good about the change
They didnt  
Giants73 : 9/19/2022 10:18 am : link
Wink indicated that he wanted to move on to increase his chances of being a HC. It was amicable. He indicates this in his first press conference with the Giants.
I watch every Ravens game  
Now Mike in MD : 9/19/2022 10:18 am : link
because my wife is a fan. I've loved Wink for years and was jacked that we picked him up. The Ravens lost their two starting CBs for much of the year last year, and to me, Wink unfairly was blamed for the Defense going south.
I put it on Harbaugh mainly  
UConn4523 : 9/19/2022 10:18 am : link
Lamar Jackson had 250 passing yards and 100 rushing yards with 4 TD's in basically 2 quarters of football and they just stopped flat when it was 35-14.
and I'll say it now  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 9/19/2022 10:19 am : link
because of the style Wink plays, we are going to lose a game late this year too. Fans have to be prepared for that.
...  
ryanmkeane : 9/19/2022 10:22 am : link
main difference I see with Wink: in the past, it always seemed like we were playing with 10 guys on defense. Wink makes it seem like we have 12.
I dont understand how you let him go  
nygiants16 : 9/19/2022 10:23 am : link
with what he did with an injury riddled defense last year
He is really positive with the players  
Lines of Scrimmage : 9/19/2022 10:23 am : link
and believes in them. They give all out effort. Hope we can keep him.

Sure you worry about the the blitz mentality biting you but he can also adjust and that is the HC's job to monitor it imv.
It sounds like it was just time to go.  
mittenedman : 9/19/2022 10:23 am : link
It was business between Wink and the Ravens. His contract was up, he wanted a certain amount of $$$ and he ended up moving on.

It's not like they just didn't want him anymore.
If I were Daboll  
Ron Johnson : 9/19/2022 10:24 am : link
I'd make sure every defensive assistant is soaking up every nugget of defensive philosophy possible from Wink, in the event he gets the HC offer next year.

Have to take advantage of having him in the building this year.
Don't think it was a firing  
The Dude : 9/19/2022 10:24 am : link
more so just time for a change for both parties.
...  
ryanmkeane : 9/19/2022 10:24 am : link
i'll take an aggressive attacking defense who can get turnovers and sacks in big spots over a bend but don't break any day of the week and it's not even close. and that's with the understanding that yeah, we might give up a big play to lose a game.
Miami set Fantasy Football records on the road against the  
ZogZerg : 9/19/2022 10:24 am : link
Ravens D.

First time ever two receivers from same team had over 40 points.

Not to mention, Tua had Miami record 6 TD passes (move over Marino).

What a Disaster the Ravens D. was.
The aggressiveness  
Giants73 : 9/19/2022 10:25 am : link
Is so much more enjoyable to watch. The water torture defense of Graham was painful. Knew they were going to score, just every drive was like the defense was on the field for a half hour.
RE: and I'll say it now  
DavidinBMNY : 9/19/2022 10:26 am : link
In comment 15823085 Eric from BBI said:
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because of the style Wink plays, we are going to lose a game late this year too. Fans have to be prepared for that.
I'll take the ugly loss due to the fact we don't have the personal to run the defense vs. sitting back and death by 1,000 cuts ...
I don't know enough about the Ravens to say  
mikeinbloomfield : 9/19/2022 10:31 am : link
whether they are using the same system or not, but that was awful. 469 yards passing!

Wink has done an outstanding job with the players he has (and doesn't have). I feel like he could plug me in and I could get a sack.
I sort of watched the Rhule and Baker Mayfield press conferences  
WestCoastGFan : 9/19/2022 10:34 am : link
and they both mentioned the pressure and Wink, so good job coach.
RE: RE: and I'll say it now  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 9/19/2022 10:35 am : link
In comment 15823111 DavidinBMNY said:
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In comment 15823085 Eric from BBI said:


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because of the style Wink plays, we are going to lose a game late this year too. Fans have to be prepared for that.

I'll take the ugly loss due to the fact we don't have the personal to run the defense vs. sitting back and death by 1,000 cuts ...


So would I and I've said as much. But live by the sword...
RE: and I'll say it now  
Joe Beckwith : 9/19/2022 10:35 am : link
In comment 15823085 Eric from BBI said:
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because of the style Wink plays, we are going to lose a game late this year too. Fans have to be prepared for that.


+1.
The ALL IN approach will unquestionably define the end.
He really has made a huge difference  
Crazed Dogs : 9/19/2022 10:38 am : link
and I will be sorry if/when he gets a head coaching job somewhere else.
...  
ryanmkeane : 9/19/2022 10:39 am : link
i'm not sure Wink is HC material. i think he would have gotten a job by now. might be one of those guys who is just a really good DC and thats his lane.
He definitely was not fired..  
Ten Ton Hammer : 9/19/2022 10:41 am : link
.
Sometimes  
Jerry in_DC : 9/19/2022 10:42 am : link
personalities and relationships just run their course and need to be changed. Seems like that may have happened in Baltimore. Worked out nice for us though.

All our hiring has been real good so far. Great sign for revamping the FO too
RE: and I'll say it now  
Johnny5 : 9/19/2022 10:47 am : link
In comment 15823085 Eric from BBI said:
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because of the style Wink plays, we are going to lose a game late this year too. Fans have to be prepared for that.

I was just thinking that Eric. Everybody is gaga right now (including me) but we have to remember this when we lose a game, and we are going to hit some bumps no doubt. That said? I am 100% ALL IN on this coaching staff right now.
I can live with Wink causing a loss  
gidiefor : Mod : 9/19/2022 10:49 am : link
he's already put two wins in our pockets that I thought were going to be losses
RE: ...  
beatrixkiddo : 9/19/2022 10:53 am : link
In comment 15823161 ryanmkeane said:
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i'm not sure Wink is HC material. i think he would have gotten a job by now. might be one of those guys who is just a really good DC and thats his lane.


I hope your right. Hope the Giants just take care of him $ wise and maybe title wise ( assistant HC, etc.). Best DC we have had since prime Spags. This defense plays team ball and no matter who is in they keep an aggressive style, how can you not like watching that. Hope he remains a Giants for the rest of his career, he and Daboll make for a great duo.
RE: and I'll say it now  
WillVAB : 9/19/2022 10:56 am : link
In comment 15823085 Eric from BBI said:
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because of the style Wink plays, we are going to lose a game late this year too. Fans have to be prepared for that.


Better than losing 10+ games because you run a passive pussy scheme.

If anyone said before the season the Giants would be 2-0 despite losing 4 starters on defense you’d be ridiculed by the board. Wink is an outstanding coach who gets the most out of his players and runs a great scheme.
His  
Spider43 : 9/19/2022 10:59 am : link
Big gold chain is way out of place though...
With Wink  
Go Giants : 9/19/2022 11:11 am : link
I feel better. He tries to win rather than “to not lose”
RE: If I were Daboll  
adamg : 9/19/2022 11:18 am : link
In comment 15823100 Ron Johnson said:
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I'd make sure every defensive assistant is soaking up every nugget of defensive philosophy possible from Wink, in the event he gets the HC offer next year.

Have to take advantage of having him in the building this year.


Not sure Wink is HC material.
Didn’t  
ajr2456 : 9/19/2022 11:27 am : link
He basically quit?
Yahoo said at the time he was "fired"  
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Discussion at the Ravens office today  
Paulie Walnuts : 9/19/2022 11:51 am : link
"Wink Martindale...whatever happened there...
RE: and I'll say it now  
Fred in Atlanta : 9/19/2022 12:01 pm : link
In comment 15823085 Eric from BBI said:
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because of the style Wink plays, we are going to lose a game late this year too. Fans have to be prepared for that.

As opposed to the many games lost late under Graham
Seems  
Sammo85 : 9/19/2022 12:02 pm : link
that both Harbaugh and Wink wanted to make a change. I think part of issue too was Wink wanted a raise and a little more control delegated from Harbaugh who is pretty involved in both the offense and defense from planning and player decisionmaking processes even if he lets coordinators do the playcalling.
I am not sure Wink gets a HC job anytime soon  
larryflower37 : 9/19/2022 12:08 pm : link
He has been up for many over the years, I think he rubs GM the wrong way or something.
I know he wants a HC job but some guys are just really good coordinators and don't fit the HC spot.
RE: Discussion at the Ravens office today  
Costy16 : 9/19/2022 12:24 pm : link
In comment 15823344 Paulie Walnuts said:
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"Wink Martindale...whatever happened there...


HA! Whatever happened there??

WHATEVER HAPPENED THERE?!!?
RE: and I'll say it now  
Optimus-NY : 9/19/2022 5:46 pm : link
In comment 15823085 Eric from BBI said:
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because of the style Wink plays, we are going to lose a game late this year too. Fans have to be prepared for that.


Agreed.
Maybe it's me...  
bw in dc : 9/19/2022 5:55 pm : link
but thus far we don't look like a classic Wink D. Without knowing the splits in detail, I think he's being much more judicious with his aggressiveness and looks to have had a bigger impact on better tackling and DB positioning.
RE: Maybe it's me...  
mittenedman : 9/19/2022 6:04 pm : link
In comment 15824100 bw in dc said:
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but thus far we don't look like a classic Wink D. Without knowing the splits in detail, I think he's being much more judicious with his aggressiveness and looks to have had a bigger impact on better tackling and DB positioning.


He's definitely not blitzing as much as he has in the past. Something to keep an eye on - may be getting muzzled.
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