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Andrew Thomas currently the #1 OT by PFF

Eric on Li : 9/19/2022 12:22 pm
obviously week 2 isn't complete yet so that could change but pretty impressive to see him move up again this week despite facing Burns. Out of 66 OTs he has the 2nd highest grade in the running game (88.3) and 5th highest grade in pass pro (82.8) for an over all grade of 89.


https://www.pff.com/nfl/players/andrew-thomas/59701 - ( New Window )
I know we don't have a time machine  
Pork Chop : 9/19/2022 12:23 pm : link
but oh boy if the Giants would have taken Slater and/or Tunsil when they had the chance.
Love  
Toth029 : 9/19/2022 12:24 pm : link
To see it. Guy deserves more national recognition.
good news  
Producer : 9/19/2022 12:24 pm : link
thanks for posting.
...  
ryanmkeane : 9/19/2022 12:25 pm : link
would love to see the threads on him in the first half of 2020 and preseason 2021. Seems a lot of those posters are quiet early on this year
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BrettNYG10 : 9/19/2022 12:26 pm : link
He's been really good. I think he can make the Pro Bowl this year.
RE: I know we don't have a time machine  
Eric on Li : 9/19/2022 12:27 pm : link
In comment 15823418 Pork Chop said:
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but oh boy if the Giants would have taken Slater and/or Tunsil when they had the chance.


hopefully neal makes it null/void. in terms of physical tools he might be a better fit for RT.

also today is actually Neal's 22nd birthday so he's a year and a half younger than Slater and 6 years younger than Tunsil so he probably fits better with the timeline.
Even in the game thread yesterday people were quick to pounce on him  
Sean : 9/19/2022 12:27 pm : link
He’s been excellent.
RE: ....  
Eric on Li : 9/19/2022 12:33 pm : link
In comment 15823427 BrettNYG10 said:
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He's been really good. I think he can make the Pro Bowl this year.


right now PFF has 4 guys graded in pro bowl range (maybe 5 if you count ximines but it will take at least 5-6 games before i believe in that). Thomas is the top OT, Jackson is hovering around top 10 CBs, Williams is hovering top 10 DL, and Barkley is the 6th best RB. thomas and maybe barkley maybe have an outside shot at all pro which i think would be the first all pro season a nyg has had since barkley as a rookie. lawrence may also have an outside shot at pro bowl consideration, he's graded more like top 20-25 right now but he's looked better than that (he had mayfield dead to rights on that 1 missed sack and will now need to step up with williams probably missing time).
RE: ...  
christian : 9/19/2022 12:33 pm : link
In comment 15823424 ryanmkeane said:
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would love to see the threads on him in the first half of 2020 and preseason 2021. Seems a lot of those posters are quiet early on this year


It turns out Thomas was injured, but he was brutal in several games. Without the benefit of all the information, it didn't look good for him.

The issue in retrospect was Judge and the staff should have held him out or maybe expedited the procedure he ended up needing.

Thomas is a different player when he's healthy.
RE: I know we don't have a time machine  
Jay on the Island : 9/19/2022 12:47 pm : link
In comment 15823418 Pork Chop said:
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but oh boy if the Giants would have taken Slater and/or Tunsil when they had the chance.

Tunsil absolutely but had they taken Slater they wouldn’t have Neal, Aaron Robinson, and Toney. I know Toney isn’t worth mentioning right now but Neal has a chance to be just as good as Slater.
he got a huge cheer...  
only1eli : 9/19/2022 12:55 pm : link
when he was introduced yesterday. i think fans have come to recognize how good he is.

the atmosphere at the stadium was more electric than it has been in years. i hope the crescendo continues.
Good to see  
Lines of Scrimmage : 9/19/2022 1:00 pm : link
just hope the ankle is in the past. They tried to change his technique his first year. I remember one of the beats put out something like "concerns in the building Thomas is not what they thought". Judge stepped in. He got better.

Looking forward to SL coming back. Thomas has said those two had great chemistry. Hopefully it helps the running game.

Just like QB, being in unfavorable down/distance is not a friend. AT in his first year was exposed to that. Tough position (LT) for a first year player in those circumstances.

Stay healthy big man.
Who was the guy  
GMEN46 : 9/19/2022 1:03 pm : link
On espn that ripped them for the pick
RE: Who was the guy  
BigBlueJ : 9/19/2022 1:06 pm : link
In comment 15823517 GMEN46 said:
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On espn that ripped them for the pick



Louis Riddick
RE: Who was the guy  
Toth029 : 9/19/2022 1:08 pm : link
In comment 15823517 GMEN46 said:
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On espn that ripped them for the pick


Louis Riddick.
Didn't Riddick want to be our GM??????  
GiantBlue : 9/19/2022 1:20 pm : link
Thank God we steered clear of that shit show!
comfortable  
Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy : 9/19/2022 1:24 pm : link
that's the word I'd use to describe him. He just looks so comfortable and calm out there.

It's really noticeable when you watch from the all-22 behind the LOS angle. He's just so much smoother and cleaner with his movements than Evan Neal. Nothing surprising about that as Thomas moved like Neal as a rookie, but it's still really eye-opening to see just how much smoother a great OT is vs. a rookie developing OT.

He's exactly what we've needed for a decade. Great to have him. My only concern with him is that he seems to deal with a lot of nagging injuries, hopefully it doesn't pop up too often moving forward.
RE: Even in the game thread yesterday people were quick to pounce on him  
BillKo : 9/19/2022 1:25 pm : link
In comment 15823431 Sean said:
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He’s been excellent.


Game thread people, they're never happy.
Parsons is #1 rated edge defender  
BSIMatt : 9/19/2022 1:30 pm : link
Should be fun to watch. Have a feeling Parsons won’t have to many reps vs Thomas, will get more looks vs Neal.

Parsons started off on Wirfs when they played Tampa, was shut down..found success when he moved to the other side(he got 1 sack vs their starter at left tackle who then left game with injury and he got one more vs backup left tackle)
RE: Parsons is #1 rated edge defender  
Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy : 9/19/2022 1:32 pm : link
In comment 15823592 BSIMatt said:
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Should be fun to watch. Have a feeling Parsons won’t have to many reps vs Thomas, will get more looks vs Neal.

Parsons started off on Wirfs when they played Tampa, was shut down..found success when he moved to the other side(he got 1 sack vs their starter at left tackle who then left game with injury and he got one more vs backup left tackle)


With Neal's balance issues still something he is working on, I'm pretty scared about Parsons' speed off the edge in this matchup. Plenty of doubles and chips will be needed.
AT is a stud  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 9/19/2022 1:44 pm : link
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One of the few core players to lock up at some point.  
Jimmy Googs : 9/19/2022 1:58 pm : link
Glad to see Thomas getting some love outside of these walls.

Getting settled at OT is huge for this rebuild…
RE: One of the few core players to lock up at some point.  
Eman11 : 9/19/2022 2:01 pm : link
In comment 15823655 Jimmy Googs said:
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Glad to see Thomas getting some love outside of these walls.

Getting settled at OT is huge for this rebuild…


Yep and to think there was actually a poster or two here during the off-season saying he wasn’t and the Giants should trade him.
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Returning Video Tapes : 9/19/2022 2:34 pm : link
In comment 15823445 christian said:
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would love to see the threads on him in the first half of 2020 and preseason 2021. Seems a lot of those posters are quiet early on this year



It turns out Thomas was injured, but he was brutal in several games. Without the benefit of all the information, it didn't look good for him.

The issue in retrospect was Judge and the staff should have held him out or maybe expedited the procedure he ended up needing.

Thomas is a different player when he's healthy.


We all knew he was playing on a bum lower leg last year and why his run blocking suffered.
RE: Parsons is #1 rated edge defender  
Toth029 : 9/19/2022 2:36 pm : link
In comment 15823592 BSIMatt said:
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Should be fun to watch. Have a feeling Parsons won’t have to many reps vs Thomas, will get more looks vs Neal.

Parsons started off on Wirfs when they played Tampa, was shut down..found success when he moved to the other side(he got 1 sack vs their starter at left tackle who then left game with injury and he got one more vs backup left tackle)


Last year's games

Vs Nate Solder 8 tackles, 3 QB hits, no sacks

Vs Andrew Thomas 1 assist tackle, no QB hits, no sacks

Curious how pressures were but PFR doesn't show that. Still, he faced Glennon most of the time in those games at QB.
RE: RE: One of the few core players to lock up at some point.  
Jimmy Googs : 9/19/2022 2:40 pm : link
In comment 15823658 Eman11 said:
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Glad to see Thomas getting some love outside of these walls.

Getting settled at OT is huge for this rebuild…



Yep and to think there was actually a poster or two here during the off-season saying he wasn’t and the Giants should trade him.


There really wasn’t
RE: RE: RE: One of the few core players to lock up at some point.  
Eman11 : 9/19/2022 2:49 pm : link
In comment 15823720 Jimmy Googs said:
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Glad to see Thomas getting some love outside of these walls.

Getting settled at OT is huge for this rebuild…



Yep and to think there was actually a poster or two here during the off-season saying he wasn’t and the Giants should trade him.



There really wasn’t


Yes there was.

I’m not going to name names and he was certainly entitled to his opinions but he did say the Giants should break it all down and that included trading AT. I’m sure I’m not the only one who remembers that.
RE: One of the few core players to lock up at some point.  
HopePhil and Optimistic : 9/19/2022 2:59 pm : link
In comment 15823655 Jimmy Googs said:
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Glad to see Thomas getting some love outside of these walls.

Getting settled at OT is huge for this rebuild…


Seems like other teams are more proactive about extending players before they hit free agency, ie Dallas and Philly. What would it take to extend guys like Thomas, and maybe McKinney or Dex if you’re sure you want to keep them here? Do you have to give them top 10 or top 5 money at the position? Or even more? Even so, it’ll probably be less than what they’d be worth in the open market down the line. Would the savings be worth the downside risk of possible serious injury?

Our cap will be in good enough shape to extend any of these guys. Would you?
RE: ...  
SirLoinOfBeef : 9/19/2022 3:00 pm : link
In comment 15823424 ryanmkeane said:
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would love to see the threads on him in the first half of 2020 and preseason 2021. Seems a lot of those posters are quiet early on this year


Why don't you post some?... Please include handles. Thanks!
RE: RE: RE: RE: One of the few core players to lock up at some point.  
John In CO : 9/19/2022 3:08 pm : link
In comment 15823731 Eman11 said:
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Glad to see Thomas getting some love outside of these walls.

Getting settled at OT is huge for this rebuild…



Yep and to think there was actually a poster or two here during the off-season saying he wasn’t and the Giants should trade him.



There really wasn’t



Yes there was.

I’m not going to name names and he was certainly entitled to his opinions but he did say the Giants should break it all down and that included trading AT. I’m sure I’m not the only one who remembers that.


I was just about to post this..EXACTLY how I remember it....not a player on the roster worthy of a spot on an NFL roster...not a single one.
there absolutely was suggestion re trading thomas  
Eric on Li : 9/19/2022 3:14 pm : link
here's one such thread and one such quote.

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You obviously try to maximize the return in every trade and ask for the moon. I'm not as high on Thomas as a lot of people here are; I think he's overrated because he's one of the few players and Gettleman picks that's not completely terrible.

I'd probably be willing to move him for a second or third. I don't think there's a player on the roster who is worth a first rounder on his own.

Good Dan Duggan Roster View Of Cuts/Trades/Cap/Dead$ Impact 2/9/2022 10:58 am - ( New Window )
I'm not a big fan  
ChrisRick : 9/19/2022 3:19 pm : link
of the archives, everyone is wrong about something.
RE: I'm not a big fan  
Eric on Li : 9/19/2022 3:22 pm : link
In comment 15823782 ChrisRick said:
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of the archives, everyone is wrong about something.


100% but not everyone pretends they didn't.
gotcha  
ChrisRick : 9/19/2022 3:24 pm : link
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Thomas was not exactly sharp  
Dave on the UWS : 9/19/2022 3:24 pm : link
yesterday. Got real sloppy a couple of times, which led to his QB getting smacked. Things were going a little too easy for him.
Thats great  
Jerry in_DC : 9/19/2022 3:26 pm : link
PFF data can be a little messy but its directionally correct over a long term. Even if he's not the best, he's good and thats an important building block
RE: Thats great  
Eric on Li : 9/19/2022 3:31 pm : link
In comment 15823794 Jerry in_DC said:
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PFF data can be a little messy but its directionally correct over a long term. Even if he's not the best, he's good and thats an important building block


i generally agree. some positions are harder to quantify than others but when you look at their top 10 and it's correctly identifying mostly the best real world players that's usually a position where the methodology is workable (and since most plays the OL is in a 1 on 1 with the guy in front of them it's doable).

linebackers and safeties (and qbs/wrs) are much harder since their responsibilities are so much harder to interpret without knowing the playcall.
RE: Thats great  
BrettNYG10 : 9/19/2022 3:33 pm : link
In comment 15823794 Jerry in_DC said:
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PFF data can be a little messy but its directionally correct over a long term. Even if he's not the best, he's good and thats an important building block


I also think the OL is a position where it's easy to focus on a bad play or two to think a player had a poor game. The eye test can lead you astray unless you really zero in on a position the whole game (which I don't think anyone here really does).
RE: RE: Thats great  
Jerry in_DC : 9/19/2022 3:37 pm : link
In comment 15823800 BrettNYG10 said:
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PFF data can be a little messy but its directionally correct over a long term. Even if he's not the best, he's good and thats an important building block



I also think the OL is a position where it's easy to focus on a bad play or two to think a player had a poor game. The eye test can lead you astray unless you really zero in on a position the whole game (which I don't think anyone here really does).


Great point. I trust very few fans with specific OL observations. If someone smart says they rewatched the game and focused on one guy, I put weight in that. Otherwise, not so much

PFF may have its issues, but they have people watching the guy on every play which is way more than most fans do.
RE: there absolutely was suggestion re trading thomas  
Jimmy Googs : 9/19/2022 3:37 pm : link
In comment 15823769 Eric on Li said:
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here's one such thread and one such quote.



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You obviously try to maximize the return in every trade and ask for the moon. I'm not as high on Thomas as a lot of people here are; I think he's overrated because he's one of the few players and Gettleman picks that's not completely terrible.

I'd probably be willing to move him for a second or third. I don't think there's a player on the roster who is worth a first rounder on his own.

Good Dan Duggan Roster View Of Cuts/Trades/Cap/Dead$ Impact 2/9/2022 10:58 am - ( New Window )


Ha…you got me. You all found 1 person saying he would trade everybody including AT. What a shock who it was as well since you all have Terps burned in your minds.

Anybody else you can find that wasn’t giving you a quick hot take?
RE: RE: I'm not a big fan  
Jimmy Googs : 9/19/2022 3:40 pm : link
In comment 15823788 Eric on Li said:
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of the archives, everyone is wrong about something.



100% but not everyone pretends they didn't.


Sometimes the archives just get changed at will. You know the type.

The thread you posted has some good comments about rebuilding though.
RE: Thomas was not exactly sharp  
Jimmy Googs : 9/19/2022 3:43 pm : link
In comment 15823792 Dave on the UWS said:
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yesterday. Got real sloppy a couple of times, which led to his QB getting smacked. Things were going a little too easy for him.


Burns going underneath and around him was a sick move…
RE: RE: there absolutely was suggestion re trading thomas  
Eman11 : 9/19/2022 3:49 pm : link
In comment 15823808 Jimmy Googs said:
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here's one such thread and one such quote.



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You obviously try to maximize the return in every trade and ask for the moon. I'm not as high on Thomas as a lot of people here are; I think he's overrated because he's one of the few players and Gettleman picks that's not completely terrible.

I'd probably be willing to move him for a second or third. I don't think there's a player on the roster who is worth a first rounder on his own.

Good Dan Duggan Roster View Of Cuts/Trades/Cap/Dead$ Impact 2/9/2022 10:58 am - ( New Window )



Ha…you got me. You all found 1 person saying he would trade everybody including AT. What a shock who it was as well since you all have Terps burned in your minds.

Anybody else you can find that wasn’t giving you a quick hot take?


Well all I said was there was actually a poster or two. Never said it was a common thought among posters. Just it was definitely said about trading AT.
Fair enough… you did indeed  
Jimmy Googs : 9/19/2022 5:04 pm : link
I should have known you all were looking to just smack Terps…
RE: Fair enough… you did indeed  
Eman11 : 9/19/2022 5:12 pm : link
In comment 15823999 Jimmy Googs said:
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I should have known you all were looking to just smack Terps…


Why? You really need to brush up on your reading comp. That wasn’t my intent at all and even said I didn’t want to mention any names. If I wanted to take a shot at him wouldn’t I have mentioned his name instead of doing the opposite?

That’s two things in my short simple post you’ve completely turned into what you wanted it to mean and you were off base on both.

RE: RE: RE: RE: One of the few core players to lock up at some point.  
santacruzom : 9/19/2022 5:13 pm : link
In comment 15823731 Eman11 said:
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Glad to see Thomas getting some love outside of these walls.

Getting settled at OT is huge for this rebuild…



Yep and to think there was actually a poster or two here during the off-season saying he wasn’t and the Giants should trade him.



There really wasn’t



Yes there was.

I’m not going to name names and he was certainly entitled to his opinions but he did say the Giants should break it all down and that included trading AT. I’m sure I’m not the only one who remembers that.


That's a different position from saying someone is a bad player. It's more of an argument that everyone, even (or maybe especially) our good players, should be on the market for trades and draft picks for the new regime to acquire the talent they like most and maximize the time in which most of them will be under contract simultaneously as we start to become good.
True they didn’t say he was bad  
Eman11 : 9/19/2022 5:31 pm : link
It was more along the lines of not worthy of a #4 pick and overrated and to them that’s why he should be traded for picks for the new staff.

Seemed me to me like cleaning house from anything DG and not necessarily looking at AT objectively but through an anti DG lens. Maybe I’m wrong but that was my take.
RE: RE: Fair enough… you did indeed  
Jimmy Googs : 9/19/2022 10:23 pm : link
In comment 15824014 Eman11 said:
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I should have known you all were looking to just smack Terps…



Why? You really need to brush up on your reading comp. That wasn’t my intent at all and even said I didn’t want to mention any names. If I wanted to take a shot at him wouldn’t I have mentioned his name instead of doing the opposite?

That’s two things in my short simple post you’ve completely turned into what you wanted it to mean and you were off base on both.


Easy does it eman. My comment was more to the pile-on guys that followed onto your post and not so much you.

Let's just say you all had Terps in mind whether you called him out specifically or not...

:-)
RE: RE: RE: Fair enough… you did indeed  
Eman11 : 9/20/2022 1:20 am : link
In comment 15824474 Jimmy Googs said:
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I should have known you all were looking to just smack Terps…



Why? You really need to brush up on your reading comp. That wasn’t my intent at all and even said I didn’t want to mention any names. If I wanted to take a shot at him wouldn’t I have mentioned his name instead of doing the opposite?

That’s two things in my short simple post you’ve completely turned into what you wanted it to mean and you were off base on both.




Easy does it eman. My comment was more to the pile-on guys that followed onto your post and not so much you.

Let's just say you all had Terps in mind whether you called him out specifically or not...

:-)


Of course I knew it was him but having it turn into what you described is exactly one of the reasons why I didn’t mention his name.

Regardless of what you’re thinking, my post was more about what was said than who said it and I wanted to keep it about that.

I might not agree with GT a lot but I respect his opinions and right to them and another reason why I didn’t mention his name.

It’s all good though and just want to be clear on my intentions with that post.
Sadly  
lono801 : 9/20/2022 8:58 am : link
It’s already crossed my mind on what it’s going to cost to keep him.

It he continues to trend upward…someone will have an open check book.

That’s football
RE: Sadly  
arcarsenal : 9/20/2022 10:04 am : link
In comment 15824711 lono801 said:
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It’s already crossed my mind on what it’s going to cost to keep him.

It he continues to trend upward…someone will have an open check book.

That’s football


The Giants can afford him if they're not recklessly stupid with their cap dollars like they were with Gettleman. I imagine Schoen recognizes the importance of being able to retain a franchise LT; which it appears AT is quickly becoming.
RE: Sadly  
Jimmy Googs : 9/20/2022 10:07 am : link
In comment 15824711 lono801 said:
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It’s already crossed my mind on what it’s going to cost to keep him.

It he continues to trend upward…someone will have an open check book.

That’s football


How is that sad? Keeps trending like he is and that is money well spent on a young core player at arguably the most valuable position on the roster besides QB...
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