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GMAN4LIFE : 9/19/2022 1:10 pm
Is it me or the Giants feel very different?

i mean the past couple of coaches found a way to lose the game. I mean literally shot themselves in the foot in a coaching aspect to find some way to lose.

But now, it seems these coaches are just finding ways to win the game. To actually, coach some way to find a play or a scheme that will help them win.

I cant put my finger on it. Thoughts?
Good teams need to win ugly games sometimes  
RobCrossRiver56 : 9/19/2022 1:21 pm : link
This is just the begining (I hope)
I thought the most interesting thing that happened  
Wiggy : 9/19/2022 1:23 pm : link
Yesterday is when Sean Payton, during the halftime show said “When the Giants win the game”. I think he knows we have a good coach. I trust his opinion on coaching 👍
Long way to go. I have no idea how these next 15 games go. But the  
Blue21 : 9/19/2022 1:44 pm : link
last 5 years or so we lose these two games. No question.
I said to all my friends yesterday after the game  
ShockNRoll : 9/19/2022 1:51 pm : link
That yesterday was the ugliest and prettiest win I’ve seen in a long time. Ugly in that it was not a particularly well played game, but pretty in that we saw them do things we haven’t seen them do in years, like getting a big stop when they needed to, guys making clutch plays for key conversions, being on the right side of a long game winning FG, not looking completely ill-prepared, fighting through adversity and winning in comeback fashion.

My win projection was 7/8, I am not getting too caught up in these first 2 wins, but I do think 9 wins could be attainable for this team. I think they’ll win a few games against teams you wouldn’t expect them to (Tennessee), but I also see them dropping a game or two to teams that are not as good. All I really care about right now is that they look like a competent NFL team for the first time in 6 years.
Great teams win blowouts  
Producer : 9/19/2022 1:54 pm : link
When we start blowing some teams out, then you'll know we've turned a corner.

This is based on Bill James' work 40 years ago for his Baseball Abstract. People assume great teams win close games but the numbers overwhelmingly show that close games are a matter of luck. But great teams dominate lopsided affairs.
RE: Great teams win blowouts  
MOOPS : 9/19/2022 1:58 pm : link
In comment 15823644 Producer said:
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When we start blowing some teams out, then you'll know we've turned a corner.

This is based on Bill James' work 40 years ago for his Baseball Abstract. People assume great teams win close games but the numbers overwhelmingly show that close games are a matter of luck. But great teams dominate lopsided affairs.


We're not a great team. We're a rebuilding team.
You really have to pour cold water on everything?
RE: Great teams win blowouts  
ShockNRoll : 9/19/2022 2:05 pm : link
In comment 15823644 Producer said:
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When we start blowing some teams out, then you'll know we've turned a corner.

This is based on Bill James' work 40 years ago for his Baseball Abstract. People assume great teams win close games but the numbers overwhelmingly show that close games are a matter of luck. But great teams dominate lopsided affairs.


How did this work out for the ‘07 Patriots who largely beat teams by 20-30 points each week? So the 1990 Giants weren’t a great team because they only beat the Niners by 2 and Bills by 1? These are professional leagues, no one is going to blow out everyone for the duration of a season. Especially in the salary cap era.
RE: Great teams win blowouts  
joeinpa : 9/19/2022 2:08 pm : link
In comment 15823644 Producer said:
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When we start blowing some teams out, then you'll know we've turned a corner.

This is based on Bill James' work 40 years ago for his Baseball Abstract. People assume great teams win close games but the numbers overwhelmingly show that close games are a matter of luck. But great teams dominate lopsided affairs.


Pathetic teams, which the Giants have been, lose games like yesterday s.

Winning teams, which are he Giants s are at the moment, win them; that’s the point.
RE: RE: Great teams win blowouts  
Producer : 9/19/2022 2:10 pm : link
In comment 15823653 MOOPS said:
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When we start blowing some teams out, then you'll know we've turned a corner.

This is based on Bill James' work 40 years ago for his Baseball Abstract. People assume great teams win close games but the numbers overwhelmingly show that close games are a matter of luck. But great teams dominate lopsided affairs.



We're not a great team. We're a rebuilding team.
You really have to pour cold water on everything?


I'm just pointing out the data that says winning close games is a matter of luck.
RE: RE: Great teams win blowouts  
Producer : 9/19/2022 2:10 pm : link
In comment 15823665 joeinpa said:
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In comment 15823644 Producer said:


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When we start blowing some teams out, then you'll know we've turned a corner.

This is based on Bill James' work 40 years ago for his Baseball Abstract. People assume great teams win close games but the numbers overwhelmingly show that close games are a matter of luck. But great teams dominate lopsided affairs.



Pathetic teams, which the Giants have been, lose games like yesterday s.

Winning teams, which are he Giants s are at the moment, win them; that’s the point.


The point is incorrect.
RE: RE: Great teams win blowouts  
Producer : 9/19/2022 2:11 pm : link
In comment 15823662 ShockNRoll said:
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When we start blowing some teams out, then you'll know we've turned a corner.

This is based on Bill James' work 40 years ago for his Baseball Abstract. People assume great teams win close games but the numbers overwhelmingly show that close games are a matter of luck. But great teams dominate lopsided affairs.



How did this work out for the ‘07 Patriots who largely beat teams by 20-30 points each week? So the 1990 Giants weren’t a great team because they only beat the Niners by 2 and Bills by 1? These are professional leagues, no one is going to blow out everyone for the duration of a season. Especially in the salary cap era.


What's your point? That the Pats, a great team in 07, lost the Super Bowl? Any team can lose any one game.
RE: I thought the most interesting thing that happened  
islander1 : 9/19/2022 2:32 pm : link
In comment 15823568 Wiggy said:
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Yesterday is when Sean Payton, during the halftime show said “When the Giants win the game”. I think he knows we have a good coach. I trust his opinion on coaching 👍


You caught that too, huh?
:)
RE: I said to all my friends yesterday after the game  
Ivan15 : 9/19/2022 2:38 pm : link
In comment 15823642 ShockNRoll said:
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That yesterday was the ugliest and prettiest win I’ve seen in a long time.

My win projection was 7/8, I am not getting too caught up in these first 2 wins, but I do think 9 wins could be attainable for this team. I think they’ll win a few games against teams you wouldn’t expect them to (Tennessee), but I also see them dropping a game or two to teams that are not as good. All I really care about right now is that they look like a competent NFL team for the first time in 6 years.

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If the Giants win 9 games after the last 5 years of futility, Schoen and Daboll will be Executive of the Year and Coach of the Year, respectively.
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The play call  
Dankbeerman : 9/19/2022 2:52 pm : link
for Brightwell and on the final 3rd down play were something new to see. Almost like plays designed for that situation havent seen any of those around here in a long time.


Preperation is the key to coaching
RE: Long way to go. I have no idea how these next 15 games go. But the  
gmen4ever : 9/19/2022 3:39 pm : link
In comment 15823623 Blue21 said:
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last 5 years or so we lose these two games. No question.


Totally agree. I was somewhat shocked we won yesterday. I think I have become numb to our ability to pull out wins, and unfortunately used to us being a really poor team.
It's learning to win the close games  
stoneman : 9/19/2022 3:44 pm : link
Doesn't matter if is 6-6 or 36-36, winning the close game has not been this teams mantra for awhile now. Jones is 2-0 in close games this year. Both games could have easily gone the other way. We'll see how the rest of the year unfolds.
It does feel different….  
DefenseWins : 9/19/2022 3:50 pm : link
And we can finally see the culture changing. I know in the prior regime they talked about that. However they did not change it, they made it worse.

We cannot accept anything less than a 100% effort. This is likely why you see KG sitting in the bench. We are better off with guys who are going to try to win
RE: RE: RE: Great teams win blowouts  
uther99 : 9/19/2022 3:53 pm : link
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I'm just pointing out the data that says winning close games is a matter of luck.


Giants have gotten some good bounces this year. Muffed punt by TENN and fumbled kickoff by Carolina. About time we got some good luck
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