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āThereās a chance Lamar Jackson is a New York Giant next season. ā-
@TikiBarber on @TikiAndTierney |
I didnāt hear the audio, and Iād say the chances are slim; however, itās not impossible. We heard reports that Schoen called on Russell Wilson and the Giants will have the cap room to make a strong offer.
And before everyone goes, ābut the playoffs!ā Wouldnāt it be nice to make the playoffs consistently? Lamar Jackson is such a unique talent.
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Assuming an extension you can do whatever you want to fit the money in.
The durability is a concern. We'd be investing so much on a guy who plays about as dangerous a style as we've ever seen a QB play. On top of that there are still questions on if Lamar is a good enough passer to win the big games.
I like it more than the Russell Wilson rumors imo, but it depends on the price.
Agreed.
yeah he has warts but he has some crazy ability too
and its just money, not picks
I'm happy just at the thought the new Giants regime would be willing to pursue something like this
Giants could create the cap room next year.
yeah he has warts but he has some crazy ability too
and its just money, not picks
It would definitely be money and picks. The Ravens will tag him.
Huh? Isnāt he a UFA in 2023?
The cap does not stand in the way of adding marquee talent. Read up on cash over cap.
I think the Ravens would franchise him if they cannot come to an agreement on a new contract.
Do you generally see a lot of below average QBs win league MVP? Or was this just a clever way to make sure that we can safely ignore anything you post that begins with "I think..."?
Obviously early, but he's killing it this year as a passer through two games.
Yesterday, he threw for 318 (29 attempts), 72% completion%, 3 TDs/0 INTs, 11 YPA, and am 86 QBR.
Oh, and he ran for nearly 120 yards.
A unicorn like this is worth figuring out how to build the right offense around...
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they have his rights at a discount for the rest of this year and 2 more.
Huh? Isnāt he a UFA in 2023?
He is and they are going to tag him. And then if they don't have a deal in place by March 2024 they will do so again.
Just not sure Schoen is going there without the rest of the team being built.
Just not sure Schoen is going there without the rest of the team being built.
Agreed. And I'd much rather keep team building ahead of spending that much on a QB personally. Still, as I said... certainly an intriguing guy and he is a winner. Not sure he would look like he does today on this team as currently constructed, but who knows?
Not sure how it would work with the franchise tag, but you could go a lifetime as an NFL fan without getting to root for as electric a talent as Jackson.
I'm not sure he wants a fully guaranteed contract. I think he wants the most guaranteed money. He won't get Watson money, because that was such a market outlier, but he will get more than Rodgers, Murray, Allen, etc.
The guy sitting on a historic gold mine right now is Justin Herbert. He is the last great QB in the queue, and he's going to kill it with contract #2...
I think the Ravens would franchise him if they cannot come to an agreement on a new contract.
Jones will be the QB next year unless HE decides to be a free agent. The 1st round draft pick wonāt be high enough to draft another āfranchiseā QB.
Hopefully the Giants will be close to āall hands on deckā defensive personnel wise when the Giants host the Ravens.
if they need to pay him the biggest QB contract ever they can do it in 2 years - after getting him undermarket for 2 years. It may be fractionally higher but since Murray and Watson and Mahomes and Josh Allen are all already extended, probably not. The comps are pretty set.
it's a starring match. he's going to be paid and it's going to be a lot it just comes down to when the ravens feel compelled to do it. and with the amount of hits he takes i'd probably feel compelled to wait as long as necessary before guaranteeing more than a quarter of a billion dollars.
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over giving Daniel Jones a 2nd contract.
I think the Ravens would franchise him if they cannot come to an agreement on a new contract.
Jones will be the QB next year unless HE decides to be a free agent. The 1st round draft pick wonāt be high enough to draft another āfranchiseā QB.
I donāt get this statement at all. First off, Jones is a free agent at the end of the season. Second, the Bills traded up for Allen and I could see the Giants trading up for the QB they like.
In no order:
Josh Allen
Pat Mahomes
Justin Herbert
Joe Burrow
Aaron Rodgers
Then I'd have Russell Wilson at 6, and Kyler Murray and Dak fit in there somewhere. Then you have guys that may pass him this year or very soon, like Tua and Trevor Lawrence, but he is somewhere in the 7-12 range for sure.
I will say this, in the first two weeks I've seen growth with him as a passer, really wow throws that I haven't seen him make before.
So he very well could be back in that top 5 conversation by year's end.
For all the praise the Ravens get this could be the 9th year without them getting to a AFCCG. So I still think a lot of things are in play depending how things go. Maybe I am just used the Giants. They are not quite as patient.
Aaron Rodgers might be available, Nope.
Jimmy G, nope.
Nope, Not L Jackson.
MVP, Superbowl MVPs, Super bowl appearances and Championships, pro bowl MVP, many All Pro years.
Let's stick with Daniel Jones...
if they need to pay him the biggest QB contract ever they can do it in 2 years - after getting him undermarket for 2 years. It may be fractionally higher but since Murray and Watson and Mahomes and Josh Allen are all already extended, probably not. The comps are pretty set.
it's a starring match. he's going to be paid and it's going to be a lot it just comes down to when the ravens feel compelled to do it. and with the amount of hits he takes i'd probably feel compelled to wait as long as necessary before guaranteeing more than a quarter of a billion dollars.
I think you are right. The Ravens are going to be very measured. And I would not be surprised if they decide the cost isn't worth the benefit, and they look for a new solution in this draft or the next.
They apparently really like Huntley's skills, too, and think they are sitting on another potentially good QB1.
with the way things go for the ravens they will probably tender him at a 1st or 2nd round level and someone will roll the dice on a medium contract and they will get a premium pick for him before turning into a pumpkin elsewhere.
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they have his rights at a discount for the rest of this year and 2 more.
Huh? Isnāt he a UFA in 2023?
He is and they are going to tag him. And then if they don't have a deal in place by March 2024 they will do so again.
Ok. Gotcha. That explains the ā2 moreā. Thanks
Heās never missed a majority of time during a season.
If Baltimore doesnāt keep him, I think he ends up in Philly.
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What's are cap space again? A snickers bar away from going over?
The cap does not stand in the way of adding marquee talent. Read up on cash over cap.
Also, for fucks sake are we going to lament the cap, even next years cap when we have more space, every time a big player is linked to nyg?? Get a grip.
He can be franchised twice. And to that Tiki said I understand. Pure speculation and sportstalk radio.
Christ.
agreed but, that means unless exclusive he can be had. I think the Ravens pretty much prefer it that another team sets the $$$ amount then they match.
Cap space is a non issue. We have paid the piper this year. Cut Galladay next year and we have $60MM next year and $200M in 2024. Obviously, a lot of people to pay (SB?, Mckinney,dexter, draft picks, bottom of the roster) but fitting a max QB contract in will be very possible. Maybe not smart but if you think a max QB K is ever smart, I think this guy is it. I just doubt you can get him without giving up picks, since I expect Baltimore to franchise him. I wouldn't pay him and give up picks. If you are going to pay the QB you need the picks to fill out the roster cheaply.
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I doubt heās long for the league. Running QBs just havenāt had the longevity. As big as Cam Newton was, even he broke down relatively early.
Heās never missed a majority of time during a season.
Donāt even bother. People see and hear and believe what they want. Never mind the facts.
The exclusive tag they can not negotiate which has only been used 4 times.
It is conceivable for the Giants to give him the contract he wants and the Ravens get 2 first.
I am a fan of Jackson but that would be an earth shattering move by any team.
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a five-year extension offer worth over $250 million with $133 million guaranteed at signing because he wants a fully guaranteed contract. I can't imagine a scenario that has him coming here.
I'm not sure he wants a fully guaranteed contract. I think he wants the most guaranteed money. He won't get Watson money, because that was such a market outlier, but he will get more than Rodgers, Murray, Allen, etc.
The guy sitting on a historic gold mine right now is Justin Herbert. He is the last great QB in the queue, and he's going to kill it with contract #2...
He was already being offered more guaranteed money than those guys. ESPN reported he wanted it all guaranteed and the union told him that he was right to ask for it. The Watson deal fucked everyone forever. Maybe he wont get it. Maybe he will. I canāt believe it would be from Schoen.
Agree this and rest of post, Osi, but man, this roster needs WRs: to me it's the weakest position on the team along side ILBs (not getting into the QB muck and mire)
Our next QB will come in the draft.
Front seven angry fast guys and wrs. Interior OL. Qb thing needs to be resolved too. Hopefully thiba and Ojulari answer many of the questions in that front 7ā¦
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over giving Daniel Jones a 2nd contract.
I think the Ravens would franchise him if they cannot come to an agreement on a new contract.
Jones will be the QB next year unless HE decides to be a free agent. The 1st round draft pick wonāt be high enough to draft another āfranchiseā QB.
Jones can be tagged. Its not in his control
This isn't Wilson, who is 33.
He's a 25-year old QB entering his prime, and already has an MVP. He would be a great fit for Daboll.
No chance Tiki has any insight on this.
This isn't Wilson, who is 33.
He's a 25-year old QB entering his prime, and already has an MVP. He would be a great fit for Daboll.
If they tag him, the Giants just need to write an outrageous poison pill deal and be willing to give up 2 first and he is ours.
That would be the ultimate big balls move.
No chance Tiki has any insight on this.
Jackson and Aaron Rodgers are the top-performing quarterbacks in cold-climate games for average passing touchdowns per game (2.4 touchdowns)
Lamar needs to play better in the postseason, but we donāt have to make stuff about him throwing in the cold.
If I was a star nfl QB my team would love me. We start getting into the territory of money I couldnāt spend in a life time and I would settle. The one thing I would want if I took, say, 150 mil guaranteed, and the market for my position was 300 mil, I would want say at the least, in the positions we used to fill with that cash.
If we ended up winning multiple Super Bowls and my public stock rose I would be killing it in endorsements and not worry too much about game day checks. I would do something like Marshawn Lynch and just bank my game checks and Live off endorsements money. I wouldnāt give two shits about being the highest paid.
And if you donāt believe me just talk to my team at work. Whenever I get my ICP I give a decent piece of it to the non associates because without them believing in my plans, those plans wouldnāt work. And we are the top performing division so the money has been coming more frequently then if I just took the ICP and had high turnover in my office.
And $150 mil wonāt last?
His passer rating in his career in games 13 and on: 112.4 with 24 touchdowns and 3 interceptions.
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Jacksonās prime earning period is 10 years if heās lucky
And $150 mil wonāt last?
He should make as much money as he can in his career.
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In comment 15824282 ajr2456 said:
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Jacksonās prime earning period is 10 years if heās lucky
And $150 mil wonāt last?
He should make as much money as he can in his career.
Thatās my point. If he uses some of those funds to help the team around him and they win multiple bowls heās gonna be pulling in money from other sources in much greater sums
Yeah, he wants a lot of money, but if the team that built themselves around him AND are considered one of the best talent evaluation front offices in the league won't give him the $$, why should the Giants?
Seems like you can't believe Baltimore is a model franchise, but then agree to take on a contract they won't do.
I would be very cautious about this move.
The Browns gave up 3 1ās, a 3, and a 4. Plus gave $200M fully guaranteed. All for a guy under investigation for sexually assaulting dozens of women. Itās going to take more than 2-3 1ās.
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a five-year extension offer worth over $250 million with $133 million guaranteed at signing because he wants a fully guaranteed contract. I can't imagine a scenario that has him coming here.
If I was a star nfl QB my team would love me. We start getting into the territory of money I couldnāt spend in a life time and I would settle. The one thing I would want if I took, say, 150 mil guaranteed, and the market for my position was 300 mil, I would want say at the least, in the positions we used to fill with that cash.
If we ended up winning multiple Super Bowls and my public stock rose I would be killing it in endorsements and not worry too much about game day checks. I would do something like Marshawn Lynch and just bank my game checks and Live off endorsements money. I wouldnāt give two shits about being the highest paid.
And if you donāt believe me just talk to my team at work. Whenever I get my ICP I give a decent piece of it to the non associates because without them believing in my plans, those plans wouldnāt work. And we are the top performing division so the money has been coming more frequently then if I just took the ICP and had high turnover in my office.
No one in their right mind would turn down that type of money. Thatās insane. Maximize your earnings during your short playing career. Anyone who says they would do differently is lying.
And really, if JS and BD decide that they want Jackson as their QB. There really is nothing preventing them from getting him if the Ravens are willing to let him go.
Whether or not we agree with the move or not, the Giants can acquire him if he's available.
ravens will franchise him for 1 year than franchise him again.
In the 2nd year they will try to deal him in the hope of a trade.
Only if jackson agrees to an extension with the trading partner in week 1 does anyone have hopes of getting hi,.
ravens will franchise him for 1 year than franchise him again.
In the 2nd year they will try to deal him in the hope of a trade.
Only if jackson agrees to an extension with the trading partner in week 1 does anyone have hopes of getting hi,.
I wouldn't put it past him to threaten not to sign it and just sit the year. He has some power in this regard to force a trade. Only the truly elite players can get away with something like this as it would effectively screw their 2023 season. Jackson is getting paid whether he sits out a year or not.