Tiki: Giants could be in the mix for Lamar Jackson

What's are cap space again? A snickers bar away from going over?

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I think he’s below average and is scheme oriented. Hard pass.

In comment 15824005 Geomon said:

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What's are cap space again? A snickers bar away from going over?

Assuming an extension you can do whatever you want to fit the money in.

Jackson's running ability is so unique and he continues to get better as a passer. A healthy Barkley alongside him and an improving OL with atleast 1 and maybe 2 future cornerstone tackles is pretty much as good of a fit for Lamar as it gets.

The durability is a concern. We'd be investing so much on a guy who plays about as dangerous a style as we've ever seen a QB play. On top of that there are still questions on if Lamar is a good enough passer to win the big games.

I like it more than the Russell Wilson rumors imo, but it depends on the price.

but the thought of Daboll/Kafka getting a player like him is incredibly exciting.

LFG.

In comment 15824013 UConn4523 said:

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but the thought of Daboll/Kafka getting a player like him is incredibly exciting.

Agreed.

You have to run a certain type of O for him to be effective and Im not sure is style of play will have the longevity you want at QB.

not likely but not impossible
yeah he has warts but he has some crazy ability too
and its just money, not picks

Id say the same thing too

... that certainly would be interesting. An intriguing guy for sure, and all he does is win. Not sure how I feel about that though... and honestly I would be completely and totally shocked if that were to happen.

I doubt he’s long for the league. Running QBs just haven’t had the longevity. As big as Cam Newton was, even he broke down relatively early.

they have his rights at a discount for the rest of this year and 2 more.

In comment 15824013 UConn4523 said:

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but the thought of Daboll/Kafka getting a player like him is incredibly exciting.

I'm happy just at the thought the new Giants regime would be willing to pursue something like this

Giants could create the cap room next year.

In comment 15824024 Payasdaddy said:

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not likely but not impossible yeah he has warts but he has some crazy ability too and its just money, not picks

It would definitely be money and picks. The Ravens will tag him.

In comment 15824029 Eric on Li said:

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they have his rights at a discount for the rest of this year and 2 more.

Huh? Isn’t he a UFA in 2023?

In comment 15824005 Geomon said:

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What's are cap space again? A snickers bar away from going over?

The cap does not stand in the way of adding marquee talent. Read up on cash over cap.

over giving Daniel Jones a 2nd contract.

I think the Ravens would franchise him if they cannot come to an agreement on a new contract.

He’s a great player and legit top 5 QB1. Doubt the Ravins would let him go. Would also need to get a bathroom installed closer to the field but we could probably float a bond for that construction.

In comment 15824008 theking said:

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I think he’s below average and is scheme oriented. Hard pass.

Do you generally see a lot of below average QBs win league MVP? Or was this just a clever way to make sure that we can safely ignore anything you post that begins with "I think..."?

a five-year extension offer worth over $250 million with $133 million guaranteed at signing because he wants a fully guaranteed contract. I can't imagine a scenario that has him coming here.

In comment 15824021 Rudy5757 said:

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You have to run a certain type of O for him to be effective and Im not sure is style of play will have the longevity you want at QB.

Obviously early, but he's killing it this year as a passer through two games.

Yesterday, he threw for 318 (29 attempts), 72% completion%, 3 TDs/0 INTs, 11 YPA, and am 86 QBR.

Oh, and he ran for nearly 120 yards.

A unicorn like this is worth figuring out how to build the right offense around...

In comment 15824041 GiantsRage2007 said:

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In comment 15824029 Eric on Li said: Quote: they have his rights at a discount for the rest of this year and 2 more. Huh? Isn’t he a UFA in 2023?

He is and they are going to tag him. And then if they don't have a deal in place by March 2024 they will do so again.

doubtful as the $ he seeks would never be paid by this franchise.

they are a long way off from being a real contender. Jackson definitely would help.
Just not sure Schoen is going there without the rest of the team being built.

They will tag him if they don't sign him. Not even worth discussing.

Jackson would be a franchise altering move.

In comment 15824060 section125 said:

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they are a long way off from being a real contender. Jackson definitely would help. Just not sure Schoen is going there without the rest of the team being built.

Agreed. And I'd much rather keep team building ahead of spending that much on a QB personally. Still, as I said... certainly an intriguing guy and he is a winner. Not sure he would look like he does today on this team as currently constructed, but who knows?

had the Mets-Cohen news first, so this is interesting.

Not sure how it would work with the franchise tag, but you could go a lifetime as an NFL fan without getting to root for as electric a talent as Jackson.

the issue is money. I think the issue is the Ravens franchising him.

In comment 15824053 Chris in Philly said:

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a five-year extension offer worth over $250 million with $133 million guaranteed at signing because he wants a fully guaranteed contract. I can't imagine a scenario that has him coming here.

I'm not sure he wants a fully guaranteed contract. I think he wants the most guaranteed money. He won't get Watson money, because that was such a market outlier, but he will get more than Rodgers, Murray, Allen, etc.

The guy sitting on a historic gold mine right now is Justin Herbert. He is the last great QB in the queue, and he's going to kill it with contract #2...

In comment 15824046 US1 Giants said:

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over giving Daniel Jones a 2nd contract. I think the Ravens would franchise him if they cannot come to an agreement on a new contract.

Jones will be the QB next year unless HE decides to be a free agent. The 1st round draft pick won’t be high enough to draft another “franchise” QB.

against Jackson, given his familiarity with him.

Hopefully the Giants will be close to “all hands on deck” defensive personnel wise when the Giants host the Ravens.

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they have the 2 tag years that are undermarket.

if they need to pay him the biggest QB contract ever they can do it in 2 years - after getting him undermarket for 2 years. It may be fractionally higher but since Murray and Watson and Mahomes and Josh Allen are all already extended, probably not. The comps are pretty set.

it's a starring match. he's going to be paid and it's going to be a lot it just comes down to when the ravens feel compelled to do it. and with the amount of hits he takes i'd probably feel compelled to wait as long as necessary before guaranteeing more than a quarter of a billion dollars.

In comment 15824080 Ivan15 said:

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In comment 15824046 US1 Giants said: Quote: over giving Daniel Jones a 2nd contract. I think the Ravens would franchise him if they cannot come to an agreement on a new contract. Jones will be the QB next year unless HE decides to be a free agent. The 1st round draft pick won’t be high enough to draft another “franchise” QB.

I don’t get this statement at all. First off, Jones is a free agent at the end of the season. Second, the Bills traded up for Allen and I could see the Giants trading up for the QB they like.

In comment 15824047 trueblueinpw said:

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He’s a great player and legit top 5 QB1. Doubt the Ravins would let him go. Would also need to get a bathroom installed closer to the field but we could probably float a bond for that construction.

In no order:

Josh Allen
Pat Mahomes
Justin Herbert
Joe Burrow
Aaron Rodgers

Then I'd have Russell Wilson at 6, and Kyler Murray and Dak fit in there somewhere. Then you have guys that may pass him this year or very soon, like Tua and Trevor Lawrence, but he is somewhere in the 7-12 range for sure.

I will say this, in the first two weeks I've seen growth with him as a passer, really wow throws that I haven't seen him make before.

So he very well could be back in that top 5 conversation by year's end.

I like him but I don't think he will be available.

For all the praise the Ravens get this could be the 9th year without them getting to a AFCCG. So I still think a lot of things are in play depending how things go. Maybe I am just used the Giants. They are not quite as patient.

Nope, not Russell Wilson.

Aaron Rodgers might be available, Nope.

Jimmy G, nope.

Nope, Not L Jackson.

MVP, Superbowl MVPs, Super bowl appearances and Championships, pro bowl MVP, many All Pro years.

Let's stick with Daniel Jones...

In comment 15824088 Eric on Li said:

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they have the 2 tag years that are undermarket. if they need to pay him the biggest QB contract ever they can do it in 2 years - after getting him undermarket for 2 years. It may be fractionally higher but since Murray and Watson and Mahomes and Josh Allen are all already extended, probably not. The comps are pretty set. it's a starring match. he's going to be paid and it's going to be a lot it just comes down to when the ravens feel compelled to do it. and with the amount of hits he takes i'd probably feel compelled to wait as long as necessary before guaranteeing more than a quarter of a billion dollars.

I think you are right. The Ravens are going to be very measured. And I would not be surprised if they decide the cost isn't worth the benefit, and they look for a new solution in this draft or the next.

They apparently really like Huntley's skills, too, and think they are sitting on another potentially good QB1.

so i doubt he factors in unless lamar gets hurt and he gets on the field wally pips him.

with the way things go for the ravens they will probably tender him at a 1st or 2nd round level and someone will roll the dice on a medium contract and they will get a premium pick for him before turning into a pumpkin elsewhere.

Because it makes me wanna call up WFAN and insult the messenger

In comment 15824058 Eric on Li said:

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In comment 15824041 GiantsRage2007 said: Quote: In comment 15824029 Eric on Li said: Quote: they have his rights at a discount for the rest of this year and 2 more. Huh? Isn’t he a UFA in 2023? He is and they are going to tag him. And then if they don't have a deal in place by March 2024 they will do so again.

Ok. Gotcha. That explains the “2 more”. Thanks

Oh yeah,....fuccc u Tiki

In comment 15824028 Trainmaster said:

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I doubt he’s long for the league. Running QBs just haven’t had the longevity. As big as Cam Newton was, even he broke down relatively early.

He’s never missed a majority of time during a season.

and it’s going to take at least two firsts, probably more, to get him from the Ravens.

If Baltimore doesn’t keep him, I think he ends up in Philly.

In comment 15824044 Producer said:

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In comment 15824005 Geomon said: Quote: What's are cap space again? A snickers bar away from going over? The cap does not stand in the way of adding marquee talent. Read up on cash over cap.

Also, for fucks sake are we going to lament the cap, even next years cap when we have more space, every time a big player is linked to nyg?? Get a grip.

Not really a fan of his or running QBs in general. But he’s something different and could break the mold. There no chance he’s coming here but if they could get him they’d have to make a play for him.

He said the giants should be in. It was more speculation than the thread title of "Giants could be in the mix".

He can be franchised twice. And to that Tiki said I understand. Pure speculation and sportstalk radio.