I expect Buffalo to cruise in the opener. The spread is Buffalo -10. I'd take the over on that. Bills Mafia will be out in full force.
Vikes-Eagles should be a good one. The spread is Eagles -2.5. I like the Vikings here. I just think Minnesota is a flat out better team. They whipped the Pack last weekend & the Cousins-Jefferson combo looked damn good. Justin Jefferson...man, that dude is electric. Thank God Philly took Reagor instead of Jefferson in the '20 draft because the thought of seeing Justin Jefferson 2X a year...no bueno. Goes without saying...Skol!
I like the two MNF games. I believe they're expanding it to 3 times next season.
Want to see as much NFC East as I can stomach…and want to see how Tennessee stacks up vs Pittsburgh
I think they'll win the SB this year---finally, lol.
I was thinking to myself that it wouldn't be a incorrect to call Josh Allen the best player in football now.
False start BTW
They challenged, then back from commercial and nothing?
Hahaha, I was kind of thinking same thing
This illegal contact penalty is going to be applied willy nilly and we all know it.
2nd foot kicked up the tires and he clearly had possession on the ground
2nd foot kicked up the tires and he clearly had possession on the ground
I believe he lost control of the ball half a second before he hit the ground, which would make it incomplete.
But yeah, I don't understand why they didn't even review that play.
As great as Buffalo has looked in the first 1.5 games, they are REALLY thin at CB, and the timing of Tre' White's return is still in doubt. Their pass rush will have to keep smothering people.
Didn't he get a huge contract from the Eagles?
Watching their soft D makes me thankful for Wink
Yep, between being downfield on screens, etc. and also running pick plays that really test the rule, I have to believe other teams have mentioned this in complaints to the league.
Been bracing for it all offseason. If hurts improves his throwing just a bit he’s a dangerous player.
They look the part tonight
Ok, let's dial it back a bit. When. Things are good he is excellent when they are tough he puts up shit burgers.
It's like Hurts is what Jones guys think Jones is, and Jones is what Jones guys think Hurts is.
Titans would be smart to move Henry to a team looking for that final piece and reload their roster ( Oline and WR)..
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Hurts playing at such a different speed.
It's like Hurts is what Jones guys think Jones is, and Jones is what Jones guys think Hurts is.
Thanks for taking this game thread into a Jones debate. Hopefully someone will engage, it would be so disappointing if we don’t go there yet again. Well done.
You had to think whether Allen has better arm talent than Hurts?
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Hurts playing at such a different speed.
It's like Hurts is what Jones guys think Jones is, and Jones is what Jones guys think Hurts is.
Bravo... this is both funny and perceptive. Post of the week.
Yes, you would think all would know this by now.
Good pt.
He certainly seems to have gotten a lot better
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Hurts playing at such a different speed.
It's like Hurts is what Jones guys think Jones is, and Jones is what Jones guys think Hurts is.
Thanks for taking this game thread into a Jones debate. Hopefully someone will engage, it would be so disappointing if we don’t go there yet again. Well done.
The Eagles are a division rival. Why should Jones be “off limits”? It’s funny, the Eagles aren’t even sold on Hurts yet supposedly.
Huh? Watching same game?
The Bills are on a whole different level than the rest of the NFL
That is huge and they will continue to the NFL championships unless there is a team that has a strong defense that can put pressure on him, unlike the Vikings tonight.
Jones might be the most accurate deep thrower of the four. It's impossible to say, because he has no time to throw deep balls, and nobody to throw them to. So we might as well give him the benefit of the doubt.
I’m more with the question Troy asked…..Why?
They are very limited offensively and if Willis is the guy moving forward they need weapons...
The Bills are on a whole different level than the rest of the NFL
That is huge and they will continue to the NFL championships unless there is a team that has a strong defense that can put pressure on him, unlike the Vikings tonight.
How much does Hurts pocket awareness and ability to move the pocket contribute to that?
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And I win a helluva parlay.
The Bills are on a whole different level than the rest of the NFL
Well with Tannehill being benched there goes my shot at the Parlay dammit
Could be worse my buddy hit 12 of 13 on a parlay with the only loss being the Ravens
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Hurts playing at such a different speed.
It's like Hurts is what Jones guys think Jones is, and Jones is what Jones guys think Hurts is.
Thanks for taking this game thread into a Jones debate. Hopefully someone will engage, it would be so disappointing if we don’t go there yet again. Well done.
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Off limits, he s certainly not off limits. I just don’t see what else can possibly be stated about the topic that hasn’t already been stated several times before
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The Bills are on a whole different level than the rest of the NFL
Well with Tannehill being benched there goes my shot at the Parlay dammit
Could be worse my buddy hit 12 of 13 on a parlay with the only loss being the Ravens
That would be horrible
The Bills are on a whole different level than the rest of the NFL
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And I win a helluva parlay.
The Bills are on a whole different level than the rest of the NFL
Well with Tannehill being benched there goes my shot at the Parlay dammit
Could be worse my buddy hit 12 of 13 on a parlay with the only loss being the Ravens
That would be horrible
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Hurts leads the league in Most time before passing. He is a very good QB, but he benefits from the best Oline in the NFL.
That is huge and they will continue to the NFL championships unless there is a team that has a strong defense that can put pressure on him, unlike the Vikings tonight.
How much does Hurts pocket awareness and ability to move the pocket contribute to that?
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The Bills are on a whole different level than the rest of the NFL
Bills are the new Patriots
They have demolished two good teams so far
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And I win a helluva parlay.
The Bills are on a whole different level than the rest of the NFL
Well with Tannehill being benched there goes my shot at the Parlay dammit
Could be worse my buddy hit 12 of 13 on a parlay with the only loss being the Ravens
That would be horrible
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Man that sucks, just brutal losing that
QB play is a big factor in OL play too. Tired of hearing the OL excuse with the Giants when they arguably have the best left tackle in the NFL.
Strong pocket presence can make an OL look a lot better.
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have excellent offensive lines?? How do they do it?! They can plug in any Olinemen they have and never lose a beat? I hate it. They make it look so easy.
QB play is a big factor in OL play too. Tired of hearing the OL excuse with the Giants when they arguably have the best left tackle in the NFL.
Strong pocket presence can make an OL look a lot better.
Umm, nobody is getting close to Hurts. It isn't pocket presence. I could be back there in a wheelchair and still have time to throw. No pass rush and certainly no coverage, either.
They coach up their guys, generally speaking. Meanwhile, we haven't been able to do that consistency for years.
They've missed on a few, but they know how to develop young talent on the line. Outside of Thomas, we don't do that.
I think Titans might actually have to put Tannehill back in.
They watched the footage from the NFCCG in 2017 and Super Bowl 52.
If the Giants continue to improve, perhaps. But it's going to be a tough one.
The Vikings are in QB hell. Cousins stinks and he's making $40 million and $30 next year.
Are they the same team that got destroyed by Tampa Bay last season?
It's the most vanilla I've seen a defense play this season.
They are playing very basic 4man rushes and basic 2man coverages.
I literally cannot understand why they are not trying to bring pressure...like you're already getting your ass kicked. Maybe go down swinging and ditch the preseason defense.
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The Giants can beat this Eagles team?
Are they the same team that got destroyed by Tampa Bay last season?
Maybe not?
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The Giants can beat this Eagles team?
Are they the same team that got destroyed by Tampa Bay last season?
They look a lot better
At this point, no—but it’s week 2.
Right now, on the face of it, no. Eagles look really good...But, there is always a but, every game is different and you're never as good as you look when you win or as bad when you lose.
Drops, bad routes, Cousins throwing ducks, missing wide open guys on offense.
On defense, there's zero creativity. Have played the same garbage all game with no adjustments.
Yes the Eagles are playing well, but this game is just as much about their opponent.
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Right now, on the face of it, no. Eagles look really good...But, there is always a but, every game is different and you're never as good as you look when you win or as bad when you lose.
I'm not trying to take anything away from the Eagles but they are being the beneficiaries right now of a Viking team that can't run can't pass and none of their WRs can catch a cold even when wide open. It's like Engramitus was contagious and everybody on their team got it
Drops, bad routes, Cousins throwing ducks, missing wide open guys on offense.
On defense, there's zero creativity. Have played the same garbage all game with no adjustments.
Yes the Eagles are playing well, but this game is just as much about their opponent.
Justin Jefferson runnng some bad patterns too. He looks like he doesn’t want to be out there
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Jones is clearly the least talented QB in this division. What is he objectively better at? If the question upsets you, you have bias.
Jones might be the most accurate deep thrower of the four. It's impossible to say, because he has no time to throw deep balls, and nobody to throw them to. So we might as well give him the benefit of the doubt.
The Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde of NFL QBs.
It is astonishing how bad him performs in prime time.
I haven't figured out everything, but one thing I've figured out is no league humbles you like the NFL. Just when you think you have everything figured out the league comes up and bites you in the ass. They're liable to smacked around by Washington next week.
Well, this post didn't age well ;)
They did a good job with what they had the past few years but its over now.
Are they even the most useless and snake bitten football team in their own division?
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They did a good job with what they had the past few years but its over now.
I mentioned coming into our week 1 game that the Titans had lost their WR1 (Brown), their Edge#1 (Landry), their Pro Bowl G (Rodger Saffold), and their starting RT (Quessenberry).
And on defense, they were starting an unproven second round corner in Roger McCreary (who I really, but it's going to take time...).
In other words, all of this talk that we beat the #1 AFC seed last year was beyond silly because the 2022 Titans are much different than the 2021 Titans.
A Qb like Cousin need a good team around him....a strong OL, decent WRs and a good defense..I think Jones is similar.
Sign guys like Cousins or Jones in the 20million range....which allows signing some key cogs
They choose to hang onto Cousins year after year. That’s not bad luck - that’s bad decision and it’s time to start holding people accountable
You keep mentioning last year....this ain't last year, this is now. Teams improve, coaches improve, players improve.
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Why am I an idiot for suggesting something that is totally obvious to 98% of the football viewing audience. Cousins is two categories better than Jones. You're the idiot for your reaction, directed personally at me for stating the obvious, you dimwit.
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Why am I an idiot for suggesting something that is totally obvious to 98% of the football viewing audience. Cousins is two categories better than Jones. You're the idiot for your reaction, directed personally at me for stating the obvious, you dimwit.
Crybaby idiot
The only positive spin I can put on this is at least the Giants can beat bad teams. That’s a step in the right direction.
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Why am I an idiot for suggesting something that is totally obvious to 98% of the football viewing audience. Cousins is two categories better than Jones. You're the idiot for your reaction, directed personally at me for stating the obvious, you dimwit.
Crybaby idiot
Abusive creep.
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Giants beat them last year with Joe Judge. What's so amazing about them this year?
You keep mentioning last year....this ain't last year, this is now. Teams improve, coaches improve, players improve.
I'm saying ... what's the improvement? Who was added to their team who makes them so much better?
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I cannot think of a more useless, snake bitten, failure garbage franchise than the Vikings. Maybe the Atlanta Falcons? Sacramento Kings?
Are they even the most useless and snake bitten football team in their own division?
No the Lions are just awful and have been for a long time. Vikings have had too many close calls.
Also I bet the 0-16 Lions would've looked better than the little wimp Vikings did vs the Eagles in January of 2018. Fuck them forever. Useless.
This had nothing to do with Daniel Jones yet you constantly feel the need to insert him in the discussion? Insecurity on your part? The two things are not mutually exclusive.
Titans will straighten out. Not too many teams will beat Buffalo this year. The Giants got a bit lucky perhaps and caught them early with a great game plan.
The team that looked like total shit was Minnesota. Looked like a low level Div III team.
The Bills are on a different planet right now than any other NFL team and the Titans are a different team without Lewan. They are screwed.
I also wouldn’t make too much of that game against a team that sucks on the road historically led by a QB who is absolutely abysmal in prime time.
They are clearly the class of the NFC East though that roster is stacked and what it should look like when you have a rookie QB. Be very interesting what they look like late in the year. Hurts really has it all offensively, great OL, top TE, two number 1 WRs with speed in the slot, a deep stable of backs. AJ Brown absolutely needs to stay heathy which is a big question mark for him.
diminish what the Giants did in Week One?
The Giants are in the first year of the Joe Schoen/Brian Daboll regime who are just in the early stages of an entire re-build of the worst performing NFL franchise over the past decade. And so far, with a seriously compromised roster, the results have been better than what any of us could have reasonably expected.
Translation: it's gonna take (at least) a few years to raise the Giants into the upper echelon of the NFL, so you might as well enjoy the "wins" when they come along regardless of the opponent -- weak or strong!
The 2022 Titans would have easily crushed the 2021 New York Giants...the 2020 New York Giants... the 2019 New York Giants... the 2018 New York Giants...
The 2022 Titans would have easily crushed the 2021 New York Giants...the 2020 New York Giants... the 2019 New York Giants... the 2018 New York Giants...
But it’s 2022 vs 2022.
Nobody’s being dismissive of the win, but the Titans aren’t a good team right now so the excuses for some of our offensive struggles that game (top defense, #1 seed last year) don’t hold much water.
The Bills are on a different level right now.
You don't think Derrick Henry would have run all over the 2021 New York Giants?
You don't think the defense would have given up a touchdown at the end of the first half and/or game?
You don't think the offense would have failed in their comeback attempt?
The point is the Giants have gotten better already this year.
You can wallow in misery like you always do, but I'm looking at the positives.
The Bills are on a different level right now.
You don't think Derrick Henry would have run all over the 2021 New York Giants?
You don't think the defense would have given up a touchdown at the end of the first half and/or game?
You don't think the offense would have failed in their comeback attempt?
The point is the Giants have gotten better already this year.
You can wallow in misery like you always do, but I'm looking at the positives.
I'll admit I had my heart in my mouth during the last Titans drive of that game (Week 1).
The Bills are on a different level right now.
You don't think Derrick Henry would have run all over the 2021 New York Giants?
You don't think the defense would have given up a touchdown at the end of the first half and/or game?
You don't think the offense would have failed in their comeback attempt?
The point is the Giants have gotten better already this year.
You can wallow in misery like you always do, but I'm looking at the positives.
How am I wallowing in misery for having for having an opinion that the Titans aren’t good this year? You guys keep making these accusations but it says more about you guys than me.
Not sure why you keep talking about the 2021 Giants. It’s irrelevant. Has anyone said the Giants haven’t gotten better? No they haven’t.
But it’s ok to point out the Titans, who have punched above their weight class the past couple of years, are missing their best pass rusher, Olineman, their best receiver is Robert Woods coming off an injury, and have a below average QB. They’ve taken a massive step back. That doesn’t diminish the Giants win; every win is a good win. But it’s also not as easy to waive away the offensive struggles of the first half in week 1.
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dismissing the Giants beating the Titans in Week 1 are just plain wrong.
The 2022 Titans would have easily crushed the 2021 New York Giants...the 2020 New York Giants... the 2019 New York Giants... the 2018 New York Giants...
But it’s 2022 vs 2022.
Nobody’s being dismissive of the win, but the Titans aren’t a good team right now so the excuses for some of our offensive struggles that game (top defense, #1 seed last year) don’t hold much water.
I read at least one poster calling the Titans win “fools gold”. I can understand adjusting how we look at the Giants after the Titans game last night, but calling the game “fools good” is dismissive
I mean people are in here saying the Eagles didn’t look that good and it was because the Vikings stunk last night, but it’s not ok to say the Titans don’t look as good as they did last year and that tempers the excitement of that win a little bit?
Why do people care so much because people don’t look at something the same way you do or don’t get as excited?
I mean people are in here saying the Eagles didn’t look that good and it was because the Vikings stunk last night, but it’s not ok to say the Titans don’t look as good as they did last year and that tempers the excitement of that win a little bit?
Why do people care so much because people don’t look at something the same way you do or don’t get as excited?
Not sure who you are talking about but you do this often where you don't like hearing opposing takes of opposing takes.
I think its pretty silly, on such a week to week league where matchups are vital, to downplay a win because the Super Bowl favorites led by an MVP favorite destroyed the team that we beat week 1. If you feel otherwise, perfectly fine but a call out isn't necessary.
Not sure who you are talking about but you do this often where you don't like hearing opposing takes of opposing takes.
If this means I don’t like people being hypocritical, than sure. If it’s ok for people to dismiss the Eagles win because of how their opponent played, then it’s ok for people to question what Week 1 might mean for the Giants as a team the way the Titans looked.
You make an excellent point. But I just gotta say that -- after two games -- I don't think there's an NFL team chomping at the bit to play the Bills. Right now, they are just a beast on a mission.
Amen to that! We'll just have to wait until off-season to find upgrades to several units, but in the mean time I'm enjoying a team that has some fight in it! Haven't seen that in quite a while.
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Not sure who you are talking about but you do this often where you don't like hearing opposing takes of opposing takes.
If this means I don’t like people being hypocritical, than sure. If it’s ok for people to dismiss the Eagles win because of how their opponent played, then it’s ok for people to question what Week 1 might mean for the Giants as a team the way the Titans looked.
I don't know what comments you are referring to but is it really that strange to enjoy a win, know that we aren't some juggernaut now, and also call out how poorly the Vikings played (IMO they quit yesterday). Fuck the Eagles, let people be fans, its really not that serious.
I was called out for being miserable and I didn’t even dismiss the win, I just simply said the Titans aren’t as good as they were last year.
Any win is a good win, I even said that while saying the titans aren’t as good. The personal attacks by some on here for questioning the Titans are just weird.
Plus Gainwell is a threat out of the back field. That offense is extremely dangerous.
(Please note I am not wallowing in misery by saying this)
Incredibly annoying they were able to win a Super Bowl, rebuild it again into a contender while we’re on our fourth year 1 of a rebuild
Giants schedule almost identical to PHI except for three games, but I can see the Eagles being undefeated heading into the bye.
@ Commanders
vs Jaguars
@ Cardinals
vs Cowboys (SNF)
BYE
That isn’t what stood out to me. The thing that I couldn’t understand was what was the Vikings gameplan. They were sitting in a soft zone rushing four. Hurts had all day. He did not make one contested throw until that incompletion that Goeddert dropped. If you are going to sit back in a zone against those receivers you have get pressure on Hurts and make him move
It was not just that they were playing zone all game (while some DB's seemed to think they were playing man which is a whole other story), it is that they were not getting anything resembling a pass rush. You can't give any NFL QB all day to throw. Eventually someone will get open.
Yes, but let them run him all game. Plus, you have linebackers and you could put a safety in the box. If you can get him to release the ball quickly he is not a good QB. You sit back and let his receivers get wide open while he is having a scotch back there, then it looks like last night. There is not a QB in the NFL who couldn’t make one throw that he made in the first half. It was the gameplan that let it happen.
They don't seem as good as the last couple of years but I'm not sure they're that bad, either.
This. A lot of those guys get to be that wide open because of Hurts ability to move the pocket. There were a number of times he was able to move away from pressure, while keeping his eyes down field, reset himself outside the pocket and hit an open receiver. He’s got a very good feel for moving around to get guys open.
Not last night. Last night, the Vikings games plan was he will make a mistake passing, just don’t let him run. So, they sat it in a soft zone, didn’t rush anyone and their OL (their strength) held up long enough for his receivers to find soft spots. If you rush him and okay man, you make get burnt for long runs, but you force him into many more uncomfortable decisions plus you bang him up. if you are going to die a certain way, you would much rather either A) try to have him force throws and B) get hit as opposed to sitting back there and letting him have all day behind their OL. Our second game in Philly last year in the first half was a really good gameplan in stopping him. We got killed because Jake From couldn’t do anything and our defense tired. But a successful game plan against him is to force him to make decisions early
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This. A lot of those guys get to be that wide open because of Hurts ability to move the pocket. There were a number of times he was able to move away from pressure, while keeping his eyes down field, reset himself outside the pocket and hit an open receiver. He’s got a very good feel for moving around to get guys open.
Oh please. I am giving the Eagles and Hurts all the credit for last night. But if you think it was his legs that was giving him time as opposed to Minnesota not rushing the QB and the Eagles OL being stellar, you are not watching the same game I did.
I don't disagree with the last part. I absolutely think that was their gameplan was to drop back and let him make mistakes in the air and the threat of his legs made them do that. But, the fact remains that their gameplan was bad and I would rather let him actually beat you with his legs than let what happened last night happen.
I think he is a good QB and a threat and like Lamar Jackson and Kyler Murrary, who have similar styles you have to play them a certain way to beat them. I do think that as we have seen with those QBs as well as the season goes on (except for Lamar's MVP year) they kind of wear down. Remember the Cards start last year. And I think Murray is better (not by much) than Hurts. So, that gives me some hope that this will dial down, but as I said before their win was 1) impressive and 2) their schedule is very favorable for them to go on a huge run like 2017
He is not there coach anymore, but their Rookie coach looked shellshocked (O'Connell)
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they could have slowed the game down with the run game but gave up on that completely when they weren't even down that big. Just don't think Zimmer has it.
He is not there coach anymore, but their Rookie coach looked shellshocked (O'Connell)
Fuck, you are right, forgot about that. I guess that would explain why they looked completely out of their league.
Yea, the Eagles offense is loaded, they probably could have been fine not even trading for Brown
It was not just that they were playing zone all game (while some DB's seemed to think they were playing man which is a whole other story), it is that they were not getting anything resembling a pass rush. You can't give any NFL QB all day to throw. Eventually someone will get open.
I thought about this, too. I wonder if the gameplan was to drop back in zone, keep Hurts in the pocket, and force him to beat them with his arm.
It's not a bad idea, actually. The Bucs did that to him in the Wildcard game last year.
But you can't stay in Vanilla essentially the entire game. Some mixed coverages are still necessary. And Hurts was still able to get on his horse with 11 carries and 50+ yards. So, that was a miss, too.
I need to see more from Hurts to be convinced he's the solution. You give any QB in the NFL that much time - and same Vanilla approach - and damage will be done.
But Aikman made it quite clear, they were playing a bubble and just allowing WRs to sit in the open areas. A ton of pitch and catch. Very basic. The pass rush can only get there so fast esp against a good OL.
Now, Hurts did make some nice throws too. Again, consistency with him is the key.
But the biggest failure was the Vikings coaching staff as a whole - for as much credit as they got on opening day, that gave it all back on Monday night.
Incredibly annoying they were able to win a Super Bowl, rebuild it again into a contender while we’re on our fourth year 1 of a rebuild
Don't worry, the Eagles won't have enough offense to get past the Niners in the playoffs.
This is quite a jump from last year. Beat the Lions and the Vikings (lead by Kirk Cousins who is 0-59 on Primetime) and you're now the toast of the town.
Now the 49ers are going to save the day?