What do you all see as the present and future of this Offensive Line????
Clearly Thomas and Neal are locks going forward...but what else do you see for the other 3 spots...
glowinski and feliciano look like pros but they get beat more than
you'd prefer in pass pro. hopefully just early season struggles against good competition.
PFF has:
glowinski (60th/70 guards) for 7 pressures, 1 sack, 1 penalty. he only had 2 sacks and 2 penalties all last year (on track for a similar number of total pressures).
Felciano (35th/36 center) 1 sack, 1 penalty, but just 3 pressures allowed.
Ezeudu (68th/70 guards) has 2 penalties and 1 sack, 3 pressures.
Bredeson (57th/70 guards) is actually the best graded of the 4 interior players right now - 0 sacks, 1 penalty, 3 pressures.
Thomas is the #1 OT out of 65 and Neal is 65th, but he's actually graded ok in pass pro (32/65). last in run blocking though.
overall they've been way more functional than we're used to and they've flashed but need a lot more consistency.
RE: glowinski and feliciano look like pros but they get beat more than
you'd prefer in pass pro. hopefully just early season struggles against good competition.
PFF has:
glowinski (60th/70 guards) for 7 pressures, 1 sack, 1 penalty. he only had 2 sacks and 2 penalties all last year (on track for a similar number of total pressures).
Felciano (35th/36 center) 1 sack, 1 penalty, but just 3 pressures allowed.
Ezeudu (68th/70 guards) has 2 penalties and 1 sack, 3 pressures.
Bredeson (57th/70 guards) is actually the best graded of the 4 interior players right now - 0 sacks, 1 penalty, 3 pressures.
Thomas is the #1 OT out of 65 and Neal is 65th, but he's actually graded ok in pass pro (32/65). last in run blocking though.
overall they've been way more functional than we're used to and they've flashed but need a lot more consistency.
I guess that was the book on Neal going in eh?
I didnt get to watch the game in as much detail as I normally do this week,did Ezeudu and Glowinsky share time at LG like in week 1?
best case scenario: one of Lemieux or Ezeudu proves a capable starter at LG long-term (Bredeson is trash). Then Glowinski is capable at RG, meaning we have a year or two before needing to draft or sign a replacement RG.
We needed a long-term center yesterday -- unless you hit the lottery like the Chargers and are able to sign one of the few good OCs in the league in free agency like they did with Linsley, we gotta draft one day 2 a la KC and Creed Humphrey.
Worst case scenario: Lemieux and Ezeudu don't look like they can hack it, in which case we need to draft sign a starting LG this offseason.
Even worse case scenario: Glowinski plays worse than anyone thought he would, and we need an entirely new interior OL.
I'm hoping for the best case, but given the uncertainties around both OG spots long-term, if a perfect free agent fit or draft prospect falls into our laps, I pull the trigger.
And how that might play out, I was actually thinking about him getting reps at center. He seemed like a guy the coaches were expecting to turn the corner this year and had planned on him being part of the interior. I know he had some prior positional flexibility/experience at center.
Thought about Gates as well but assumed that was further
Thomas, Neal and Glowinski
LeMeiux, Ezuedo, McKethan, Gates, Hamilton and Peart
Maybe a mid round draft pick replaces one of the above, but I wouldn’t expect a rookie to be ready right away. Heck, look how even Thomas, Neal, LeMieux, Ezuedo, Gates and Peart all are struggling or struggled their first year or two before blossoming.
Gotta be patient, no quick fixes.
And btw, I’m very curious to see what happens with Peart when he is healthy and eligible to come off pup. The previous regime didn’t like him but maybe he learned from the experience and will take advantage of his second chance with new coaches.
is there are functional pieces here now and options for longer term improvement. Neal is going through the expected struggles but is going to be a plus player eventually. Ezeudu was drafted to EVENTUALLY be a starter. He’s not ready yet. Lemieux caught the coaches eye with improved play in camp. He’s only in his 3rd year. Gates was developing into one of the better centers in the league and was a team captain before his injury. I saw him at camp, he’s moving around without a limp so it stands to reason he’s got a good chance to make it back, maybe this year. Feliciano is NOT a quality starter. Brederson may be a better center then guard. There are pieces for the team to work with.
I am not too familiar with how they evaluate OL,but part of why the OL struggles with Run Blocking has more to do with the scheme of the other teams D-IMHO.
The past few years the book on stopping the Giants was stack the box,stop Barkley,and force DJ to beat them.
It doesn't help that we have little in the way of down field threats at WR.
I saw that in the first half against Tennessee and again VS Carolina.
Hopefully the Coaches can figure out how to counter this...
seems to be better already then last year. It’s very unfortunate about Gates because I thought he might be the answer at Center. Feliciano seems to be struggling a bit and Left Guard are most notable break downs. Neal will continue to show warts as a rookie, however, he seems to have the athleticism and desire to get better, ala Thomas. Maybe Lemieux can help solidify that left side a little more, although he too had his issues in Pass Pro. Needless to say, this Oline is still a work in progress and will be until the off-season.
As noted before, despite the prior regime's inability to stabilize
the OL, Schoen should be able to accomplish far more in a 2-year process.
I like what he did in year 1 by adding a medium priced Guard in Glowinski. He's nothing special but clearly functional enough to play on any line for a few years. And anybody with a brain new that another high investment in an OT like Neal was coming from the draft to finally settle both tackle spots. I also liked the Ezeudu pick who should grow into a decent Guard, and adds a little more to the overall unit with his good versatility. All smart moves.
Adding Feliciano though was not one of my favorite moves, especially when Schoen didn't follow it up with a Center from the draft who could back him up and learn. He had the picks but decided to ultimately go elsewhere. I am just tired of experiments/retreads at the Center position and we are seeing the results here early in the season with him struggling. Need to invest in a real Center in the draft next year...maybe even on Day 2.
Bredeson and Lemieux are really backup material until they are eventually phased out as well in future roster moves. Gates and Peart probably cannot be relied upon to add much in the rebuild either.
Draft the Center as mentioned above. Probably put another verteran Center on roster from free agency and let them compete with the rookie. Add another Guard on Day 3 in case Lemieux and McKethan don't recover well.
2023 Oline Unit should be:
LT Thomas
LG Ezeudu
C Day 2 draft pick
RG Glowinski
RT Neal
Reserves: Hamilton, Bredeson or Lemieux, Free Agent Center, Day 3 Guard or McKethan
PFF has:
glowinski (60th/70 guards) for 7 pressures, 1 sack, 1 penalty. he only had 2 sacks and 2 penalties all last year (on track for a similar number of total pressures).
Felciano (35th/36 center) 1 sack, 1 penalty, but just 3 pressures allowed.
Ezeudu (68th/70 guards) has 2 penalties and 1 sack, 3 pressures.
Bredeson (57th/70 guards) is actually the best graded of the 4 interior players right now - 0 sacks, 1 penalty, 3 pressures.
Thomas is the #1 OT out of 65 and Neal is 65th, but he's actually graded ok in pass pro (32/65). last in run blocking though.
overall they've been way more functional than we're used to and they've flashed but need a lot more consistency.
PFF has:
glowinski (60th/70 guards) for 7 pressures, 1 sack, 1 penalty. he only had 2 sacks and 2 penalties all last year (on track for a similar number of total pressures).
Felciano (35th/36 center) 1 sack, 1 penalty, but just 3 pressures allowed.
Ezeudu (68th/70 guards) has 2 penalties and 1 sack, 3 pressures.
Bredeson (57th/70 guards) is actually the best graded of the 4 interior players right now - 0 sacks, 1 penalty, 3 pressures.
Thomas is the #1 OT out of 65 and Neal is 65th, but he's actually graded ok in pass pro (32/65). last in run blocking though.
overall they've been way more functional than we're used to and they've flashed but need a lot more consistency.
I guess that was the book on Neal going in eh?
I didnt get to watch the game in as much detail as I normally do this week,did Ezeudu and Glowinsky share time at LG like in week 1?
We needed a long-term center yesterday -- unless you hit the lottery like the Chargers and are able to sign one of the few good OCs in the league in free agency like they did with Linsley, we gotta draft one day 2 a la KC and Creed Humphrey.
Worst case scenario: Lemieux and Ezeudu don't look like they can hack it, in which case we need to draft sign a starting LG this offseason.
Even worse case scenario: Glowinski plays worse than anyone thought he would, and we need an entirely new interior OL.
I'm hoping for the best case, but given the uncertainties around both OG spots long-term, if a perfect free agent fit or draft prospect falls into our laps, I pull the trigger.
at Guard/Center.
And someone has to teach our brand spanking new RT how NOT to fall off blocks!
at Guard/Center.
And someone has to teach our brand spanking new RT how NOT to fall off blocks!
We'd need a new center anyways since Feliciano (sp?) is on a one-year deal.
Neal will be fine, remember Thomas’ first year?
Giants still need talent on the interior and I think we can expect another day 1 or 2 pick there.
I'm interested to see how the OL comes together. They're going to take a bit more time.
LeMeiux, Ezuedo, McKethan, Gates, Hamilton and Peart
Maybe a mid round draft pick replaces one of the above, but I wouldn’t expect a rookie to be ready right away. Heck, look how even Thomas, Neal, LeMieux, Ezuedo, Gates and Peart all are struggling or struggled their first year or two before blossoming.
Gotta be patient, no quick fixes.
And btw, I’m very curious to see what happens with Peart when he is healthy and eligible to come off pup. The previous regime didn’t like him but maybe he learned from the experience and will take advantage of his second chance with new coaches.
They were bad before and now that they haven't played in a very long time, or in Peart's case just awful, some of you expect they will be something?
These two were part of an OL ranked 30th or lower by PFF.
The past few years the book on stopping the Giants was stack the box,stop Barkley,and force DJ to beat them.
It doesn't help that we have little in the way of down field threats at WR.
I saw that in the first half against Tennessee and again VS Carolina.
Hopefully the Coaches can figure out how to counter this...
I like what he did in year 1 by adding a medium priced Guard in Glowinski. He's nothing special but clearly functional enough to play on any line for a few years. And anybody with a brain new that another high investment in an OT like Neal was coming from the draft to finally settle both tackle spots. I also liked the Ezeudu pick who should grow into a decent Guard, and adds a little more to the overall unit with his good versatility. All smart moves.
Adding Feliciano though was not one of my favorite moves, especially when Schoen didn't follow it up with a Center from the draft who could back him up and learn. He had the picks but decided to ultimately go elsewhere. I am just tired of experiments/retreads at the Center position and we are seeing the results here early in the season with him struggling. Need to invest in a real Center in the draft next year...maybe even on Day 2.
Bredeson and Lemieux are really backup material until they are eventually phased out as well in future roster moves. Gates and Peart probably cannot be relied upon to add much in the rebuild either.
Draft the Center as mentioned above. Probably put another verteran Center on roster from free agency and let them compete with the rookie. Add another Guard on Day 3 in case Lemieux and McKethan don't recover well.
2023 Oline Unit should be:
LT Thomas
LG Ezeudu
C Day 2 draft pick
RG Glowinski
RT Neal
Reserves: Hamilton, Bredeson or Lemieux, Free Agent Center, Day 3 Guard or McKethan
Well, I did anyway...
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form an opinion on 5 guys who have only played 2 games together.
Well, I did anyway...
that was more of a detailed assessment, but what I'm referring to is "overall".
We all know the term "gel"