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Dr. D : 9/20/2022 10:03 am
Two weeks in a row, major pressure is coming right up the middle. I know it's not all on Feliciano, but it seems C is a pretty major weak link. I notice on the depth chart, there is no backup C right now. I doubt Gates will play this year, so who would be the best option if Feliciano doesn't improve soon?
Kind of off topic...but I read a tweet last week.  
bLiTz 2k : 9/20/2022 10:08 am : link
That he had a family tragedy occur right before kick off of the Titans game.

I can't find it, nor have I seen it mentioned again but essentially it said that he received a call from his sibling that their toddler had passed away.

Not sure if true, but I remember being shocked that he was suiting up with that news.
Ben Bredeson  
bronxct1 : 9/20/2022 10:08 am : link
Ben Bredeson is the backup center on the depth chart.
Found it...  
bLiTz 2k : 9/20/2022 10:09 am : link
Just awful.
1 year old nephew - Link - ( New Window )
You dance with the one that brung ya'  
Jimmy Googs : 9/20/2022 10:09 am : link
Feliciano is your starter until an investment is made next offseason at the position...
RE: Ben Bredeson  
Dr. D : 9/20/2022 10:13 am : link
In comment 15824837 bronxct1 said:
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Ben Bredeson is the backup center on the depth chart.

on the BBI depth chart, there is no backup center, but I was thinking maybe Bredeson might be the guy, if or when Lemieux comes back or Ezeudu becomes more capable of playing LG full time.

Anyone know approx when Lemieux might be coming back?
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Terrible story about his 1 year old nephew.  
Optimus-NY : 9/20/2022 10:13 am : link
Condolences to him and his family. Speaking strictly from a playing standpoint, Feliciano is a stopgap, or as Parcells called them, "a hold the fort player until the cavalry arrives." The cavalry will either be a healthy Nick Gates next season, a rookie draft pick in round two or three, or another UFA. Let's wait and see.
Bredeson is the backup center  
Jay on the Island : 9/20/2022 10:14 am : link
He is currently the best option at LG with Lemieux out. Ezeudu doesn’t look ready for a starting spot yet.
RE: You dance with the one that brung ya'  
Dr. D : 9/20/2022 10:16 am : link
In comment 15824840 Jimmy Googs said:
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Feliciano is your starter until an investment is made next offseason at the position...

where has he "brung" us? Yeah, we're 2-0, but it's despite his play. I doubt Daboll thinks that way.
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ryanmkeane : 9/20/2022 10:17 am : link
the way i see it, Feliciano and Glowinski are the stop gaps until we draft more talent in the interior
RE: RE: You dance with the one that brung ya'  
Jimmy Googs : 9/20/2022 10:19 am : link
In comment 15824851 Dr. D said:
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Feliciano is your starter until an investment is made next offseason at the position...


where has he "brung" us? Yeah, we're 2-0, but it's despite his play. I doubt Daboll thinks that way.


You mean the coach that brought him here to be the starter?

Look, we don't have any Center on the roster. Feliciano is it for this one season until Schoen regroups and looks to make an investment next year.
a lot of people saying we have to wait until next year  
Dr. D : 9/20/2022 10:20 am : link
I doubt Daboll is going to just look the other way for another 15 weeks.

Anyone know approx return date for Lemieux?
RE: RE: RE: You dance with the one that brung ya'  
Dr. D : 9/20/2022 10:23 am : link
In comment 15824858 Jimmy Googs said:
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Feliciano is your starter until an investment is made next offseason at the position...


where has he "brung" us? Yeah, we're 2-0, but it's despite his play. I doubt Daboll thinks that way.



You mean the coach that brought him here to be the starter?

Look, we don't have any Center on the roster. Feliciano is it for this one season until Schoen regroups and looks to make an investment next year.

Yeah, Daboll brought him here, but I don't think he's so arrogant or stubborn that he would continue starting him if it continues to be a problem and there's a better option.
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Jimmy Googs : 9/20/2022 10:25 am : link

RE: ...  
mphbullet36 : 9/20/2022 10:29 am : link
In comment 15824854 ryanmkeane said:
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the way i see it, Feliciano and Glowinski are the stop gaps until we draft more talent in the interior


And the good thing is you can always pay for good guard or centers that hit the FA market if you want now that we will have cap space going forward.


Good tackles don't hit the open market but good interior lineman are always available via FA too if we aren't looking to spend another high pick on the OL.

Our two most recent SB runs has us signing Sean O'Hara and David Bass who were key contributors to both runs.
Really wish they had a healthy Nick Gates at C  
Greg from LI : 9/20/2022 10:32 am : link
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there's an article linked below about Daboll  
Dr. D : 9/20/2022 10:33 am : link
running a meritocracy, but we're supposed to believe he'll make an exception for Feliciano (because he brought him here)?

I can see Daboll being more patient, simply because there's no easy alternative and I hope Feliciano improves, but I can't see Daboll sticking with him if he doesn't improve once there is another option.
RE: Really wish they had a healthy Nick Gates at C  
Dr. D : 9/20/2022 10:34 am : link
In comment 15824875 Greg from LI said:
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me too!
RE: there's an article linked below about Daboll  
Jimmy Googs : 9/20/2022 10:44 am : link
In comment 15824876 Dr. D said:
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running a meritocracy, but we're supposed to believe he'll make an exception for Feliciano (because he brought him here)?

I can see Daboll being more patient, simply because there's no easy alternative and I hope Feliciano improves, but I can't see Daboll sticking with him if he doesn't improve once there is another option.


Good lord...Daboll isn't making an exception for Feliciano because he brought him here. He brought him here to be the starter for a year.

Free Agency and the draft are over so the options to replace him aren't all the strong on Sept 20th despite your unhappiness with his play and need for an immediate change.

Unless of course you are growing a Center tree in your backyard and can pick one off one of the limbs for us...
RE: RE: there's an article linked below about Daboll  
Dr. D : 9/20/2022 10:55 am : link
In comment 15824895 Jimmy Googs said:
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Good lord...Daboll isn't making an exception for Feliciano because he brought him here. He brought him here to be the starter for a year.

Do you think it's working out the way Daboll hoped it would, so far? Do you think if Feliciano continues to struggle when Lemieux comes back, that Feliciano will continue to be the starting C vs possibly trying Bredeson?
I doubt they will look to replace Feliciano by acquiring a center.  
Big Blue Blogger : 9/20/2022 10:55 am : link
He hasn't been good, but we can hope for improvement as the line stabilizes (especially the left guard position) and as time starts the healing process after his nephew's death.

Desperate moves tend to yield Billy Price-level results. That one was costly.

If injuries forced another move, I imagine they would consider Austin Reiter, with whom Kafka won a ring in Kansas City, or Greg Mancz, who has been learning a playbook very similar to Daboll's on the Buffalo practice squad.
RE: Really wish they had a healthy Nick Gates at C  
Optimus-NY : 9/20/2022 11:05 am : link
In comment 15824875 Greg from LI said:
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+1 I really like the kid. Eff joe Judge for playing him at Guard last year.
RE: RE: RE: there's an article linked below about Daboll  
Jimmy Googs : 9/20/2022 11:06 am : link
In comment 15824903 Dr. D said:
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Good lord...Daboll isn't making an exception for Feliciano because he brought him here. He brought him here to be the starter for a year.


Do you think it's working out the way Daboll hoped it would, so far? Do you think if Feliciano continues to struggle when Lemieux comes back, that Feliciano will continue to be the starting C vs possibly trying Bredeson?


I can't tell you how Daboll thought it would work out. I had my doubts.

And I think Feliciano has to struggle more than this to replace him with Bredeson. Bredeson is just a dog with different fleas if you put him at Center...
RE: I doubt they will look to replace Feliciano by acquiring a center.  
Dr. D : 9/20/2022 11:08 am : link
In comment 15824904 Big Blue Blogger said:
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He hasn't been good, but we can hope for improvement as the line stabilizes (especially the left guard position) and as time starts the healing process after his nephew's death.

Desperate moves tend to yield Billy Price-level results. That one was costly.

If injuries forced another move, I imagine they would consider Austin Reiter, with whom Kafka won a ring in Kansas City, or Greg Mancz, who has been learning a playbook very similar to Daboll's on the Buffalo practice squad.

good info, Blogger. Thanks
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christian : 9/20/2022 11:20 am : link
Feliciano is a career backup journeyman, who came in with a few spot starts at center under his belt.

No one should be surprised how this is playing out.

The Giants needed to upgrade 2/3 of the team, it wasn't happening in one offseason.
I could see BB taking over if SL comes backs fairly soon  
Payasdaddy : 9/20/2022 11:25 am : link
And ezueda develops a bit
May be November
Heck, gates may even surprise u and be playing in November
Would be great if gates could get a cameo this yr
May be able to tell if his health will let him be LT solution
Or maybe he is hurt  
HopePhil and Optimistic : 9/20/2022 11:30 am : link
And will improve as he heals and gets more snaps in this offense?

He is a stopgap the coach is familiar with. I’ll give Daboll the benefit of the doubt whether he chooses to go with Feliciano or someone else.
RE: ...  
Gatorade Dunk : 9/20/2022 12:37 pm : link
In comment 15824854 ryanmkeane said:
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the way i see it, Feliciano and Glowinski are the stop gaps until we draft more talent in the interior

The way you see it is usually wrong.

And in keeping with that, there's a pretty significant difference between the contract the Giants gave Feliciano and the contract they gave Glowinski.

The former is absolutely signed to be a stopgap. The latter has a contract that will likely keep him here multiple years. Ideally, the talent pipeline will be in place soon enough that any aging veteran is always going to be at risk for getting beat out for their job. And it's entirely possible that Glowinski could get beaten out for his job by next season. But based solely on his contract (compared to Feliciano's), I don't think RG will be a priority for the front office in 2023. Contrast that with OC, where there will almost definitely be a different starting OC next year (though that could be Gates).
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Mike in Long Beach : 9/20/2022 2:51 pm : link
In comment 15824854 ryanmkeane said:
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the way i see it, Feliciano and Glowinski are the stop gaps until we draft more talent in the interior


They for sure are... I just envisioned them being a little better. Luckily the tackles have kept the line afloat.
RE: Kind of off topic...but I read a tweet last week.  
NYDCBlue : 9/20/2022 3:05 pm : link
In comment 15824835 bLiTz 2k said:
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That he had a family tragedy occur right before kick off of the Titans game.

I can't find it, nor have I seen it mentioned again but essentially it said that he received a call from his sibling that their toddler had passed away.

Not sure if true, but I remember being shocked that he was suiting up with that news.


I hate to be the one who goes there, but.... It's a nephew, not his son. Is that really a good excuse for poor play two weeks in a row? Was he close with the kid? Heck, the kid is only 1 years old. Had they ever even met?

I don't think it is the nephew situation that is causing his poor play. Feliciano has always been a backup, pretty much his whole time in the NFL right? If so, then we are just observing his normal level of play. Dude's a backup, that we were forced into starting. Why the shock that he is playing poorly?
RE: RE: Kind of off topic...but I read a tweet last week.  
Gatorade Dunk : 9/20/2022 3:52 pm : link
In comment 15825340 NYDCBlue said:
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That he had a family tragedy occur right before kick off of the Titans game.

I can't find it, nor have I seen it mentioned again but essentially it said that he received a call from his sibling that their toddler had passed away.

Not sure if true, but I remember being shocked that he was suiting up with that news.



I hate to be the one who goes there, but.... It's a nephew, not his son. Is that really a good excuse for poor play two weeks in a row? Was he close with the kid? Heck, the kid is only 1 years old. Had they ever even met?

I don't think it is the nephew situation that is causing his poor play. Feliciano has always been a backup, pretty much his whole time in the NFL right? If so, then we are just observing his normal level of play. Dude's a backup, that we were forced into starting. Why the shock that he is playing poorly?

I don't know that it's fair to say the Giants "were forced into starting" Feliciano. I'm pretty sure that everything they've done and said (including the urgency to sign him in FA) has indicated all along that their intention was for him to start at OC for NYG this season.

The only thing that would have interfered with that would have been a miraculous, massively ahead-of-schedule recovery by Gates. Otherwise, Feliciano has been the presumptive starter at OC since the moment he signed here.
Hopefully week 5 will give us more options  
5BowlsSoon : 9/20/2022 6:19 pm : link
Lemieux returns to claim his LG spot with Ezeudu his back up.

Bredeson and Feliciano split playing center.

We also picked up other OL at the cutoff date…I wonder if any of them are worth a look.
I’m surprised  
Joe Beckwith : 9/20/2022 7:47 pm : link
we didnt try for Nick Martin, who I think is signing with Tampa.
RE: Really wish they had a healthy Nick Gates at C  
Milton : 9/20/2022 7:52 pm : link
In comment 15824875 Greg from LI said:
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I know that it would be untrue, I know that I would be a liar, if I were to say to you that Feliciano doesn't need to play a lot better, but remember how everyone was bashing Gates following his first couple of games as the starting center. Like Gates, Feliciano is starting for the first time at a position he wasn't raised on. Gates got better (a lot better!) as the year progressed, maybe it will be the same for Feliciano.
RE: Really wish they had a healthy Nick Gates at C  
eli4life : 9/20/2022 8:11 pm : link
In comment 15824875 Greg from LI said:
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Why ? The guy is a jag at best with a good story and coming off a major injury. Draft a real center and be done with it
In Feliciano defense  
Fish : 9/21/2022 9:59 am : link
and the line as a whole, they have gone up against a few studs the firs 2 weeks. Might have more success this week up middle.
RE: RE: Really wish they had a healthy Nick Gates at C  
section125 : 9/21/2022 10:12 am : link
In comment 15825672 eli4life said:
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Why ? The guy is a jag at best with a good story and coming off a major injury. Draft a real center and be done with it


That is bullshit. Gates was better than JAG. In fact, even if he was JAG, it would be better than what Feliciano has been doing.
In Feliciano's defense, he is new to center for the most part. His help either side is marginal. The entire line has a grand total of two games together.
IMHO, they will improve each game as they play together more.
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