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Jones has done enough to win the first two games, so that’s definitely progress. But there needs to be an understanding of the lens on Jones’ evaluation from Daboll and new general manager Joe Schoen. This isn’t like Jones’ second or third season when he had time on his side. When Schoen decided not to exercise Jones’ fifth-year option for 2023, this became a make-or-break season for the 25-year-old. So the stakes are much higher. Essentially, Jones needs to play well enough convince the new regime that he’s worthy of $31.5 million on the franchise tag in 2023. Otherwise, Schoen and Daboll will embark on a search for a quarterback to build around in the draft. They aligned themselves to take that path by declining Jones’ option. Daboll and Schoen have seen first-hand the difference an elite quarterback makes. Daboll has five Super Bowl rings, thanks in large part to Tom Brady, from his time as a Patriots assistant, while Daboll and Schoen were part of the group in Buffalo that chose Josh Allen with the seventh pick in the 2018 draft. Allen is in the conversation for the best quarterback in the league, and the Bills are Super Bowl favorites. It’s important to keep all of that in mind while evaluating Jones this season, because the people who will make the ultimate decision on the quarterback’s future certainly will. |
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He needs to improve quickly.
Duggan is my favorite writer on the Giants beat. His articles always have good insight.
and I hope the Giants are smart enough not to negotiate against themselves.
But nothing he wrote here is an original thought.
Agree with this. There’s no guarantee that a Brady, Allen, Mahomes type prospect will be available in the draft. There’s so many holes that need to be filled to give ANY new QB a viable foundation. A reasonable contract for DJ may still be the best bet for growth of the team.
It’s something written by a Giants beat writer, and a good one at that. That you don’t like to get your feelings hurt by something remotely negative about Jones deontology mean it’s not relevant.
I think he has picked up some bad habits and liabilities the last 2 years. I think getting the best out of him is a longshot. Not impossible, but unlikely.
Pretty much a poor outcome, tied to a mediocre QB for another three years.
I don't know if Jones is the answer or not, but I'm sure Daboll is forming that opinion as we speak, and I am very confident he will do the right thing.
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I agree. If they don’t tag him, they can still sign Jones as a free agent, especially if he doesn’t get a good offer on the free agent market. The point is that, unless he is tagged, Jones’ future is in his hands. That future may or may not be with the Giants. I know I may be dreaming but if the Giants run off 10-11 wins, Jones may look pretty good to Seattle, Carolina, Houston.
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Yeah, I don't understand why this possibility is never considered.
Everyone seems to assume that if Jones has a decent year, he's going to get 30+ million from some team and Giant fans are adamant that it shouldn't be the Giants. But what if, even if Jones has a really good year, no team wants to pay him that kind of money, off just one really good year? Couldn't Jones and the Giants agree to a 2 yr contract for an amount most would consider reasonable (relatively) and let him (hopefully) prove he's worth a longer term deal?
I don't know if Jones is the answer or not, but I'm sure Daboll is forming that opinion as we speak, and I am very confident he will do the right thing.
Good post.
Yeah, this was real master of the obvious stuff from Duggan.
Not only was he not traded, he was publicly praised and handed the job before training camp by the owner. Also odd behavior that suggests he's more involved with the starting QB decision than he should be.
I have a hard time believing if the Giants have a playoff or close to playoff season that Mara is going to let Jones go. I'd love to be wrong about this, but I think that is the crux of the debate. And the Giants care a lot about fan sentiment and despite the fact that he is our QB this year, the discussion of his contributions is an important one.
Not only was he not traded, he was publicly praised and handed the job before training camp by the owner. Also odd behavior that suggests he's more involved with the starting QB decision than he should be.
I have a hard time believing if the Giants have a playoff or close to playoff season that Mara is going to let Jones go. I'd love to be wrong about this, but I think that is the crux of the debate. And the Giants care a lot about fan sentiment and despite the fact that he is our QB this year, the discussion of his contributions is an important one.
I think this is a stretch. Why wasn’t the 5th year option exercised then?
I think it's a fair statement on how the evaluation of Jones has shifted this year (opinion on the franchise tag part specifically not withstanding). Given that his option wasn't picked up, Jones being "good enough not to loose" likely is no longer enough to retain him. So even if you don't hate Jones like some do, and I don't.... I do think it's fair to say that through 2 games, the needle has moved further towards Jones leaving after this year than staying.
Not only was he not traded, he was publicly praised and handed the job before training camp by the owner. Also odd behavior that suggests he's more involved with the starting QB decision than he should be.
I have a hard time believing if the Giants have a playoff or close to playoff season that Mara is going to let Jones go. I'd love to be wrong about this, but I think that is the crux of the debate. And the Giants care a lot about fan sentiment and despite the fact that he is our QB this year, the discussion of his contributions is an important one.
Yeah this is terrifying. We are currently doing a nice job of rebuilding. Prior to next season, there is one thing that could destroy our chances of building a competitive team this decade- extending Daniel Jones. If we do that, we have almost no chance to compete at the top of the league.
Mara is the risk. And it is a scary one for the fan base
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but I can't ignore the fact that most incumbent underperforming QBs get traded when a new GM / Coach arrive.
Not only was he not traded, he was publicly praised and handed the job before training camp by the owner. Also odd behavior that suggests he's more involved with the starting QB decision than he should be.
I have a hard time believing if the Giants have a playoff or close to playoff season that Mara is going to let Jones go. I'd love to be wrong about this, but I think that is the crux of the debate. And the Giants care a lot about fan sentiment and despite the fact that he is our QB this year, the discussion of his contributions is an important one.
I think this is a stretch. Why wasn’t the 5th year option exercised then?
Because it was a nice compromise between Daboll / Schoen and Mara. Conventional wisdom say trade the incumbent underperforming QB, Mara probably wanted to give the option. They met in the middle on keeping him and not picking up the option as I see it.
Which is why in the offseason I could see meeting in the middle being something like a 2 year $40M deal. I'd see that as a good case if they go to the playoffs. Mara might just win and get the long term deal.
Might seem out of place but I thought it was quite out of place for the owner to name the QB starter prior to the season as well.
I don't know if Jones is the answer or not, but I'm sure Daboll is forming that opinion as we speak, and I am very confident he will do the right thing.
I agree 100%
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but I can't ignore the fact that most incumbent underperforming QBs get traded when a new GM / Coach arrive.
Not only was he not traded, he was publicly praised and handed the job before training camp by the owner. Also odd behavior that suggests he's more involved with the starting QB decision than he should be.
I have a hard time believing if the Giants have a playoff or close to playoff season that Mara is going to let Jones go. I'd love to be wrong about this, but I think that is the crux of the debate. And the Giants care a lot about fan sentiment and despite the fact that he is our QB this year, the discussion of his contributions is an important one.
Yeah this is terrifying. We are currently doing a nice job of rebuilding. Prior to next season, there is one thing that could destroy our chances of building a competitive team this decade- extending Daniel Jones. If we do that, we have almost no chance to compete at the top of the league.
Mara is the risk. And it is a scary one for the fan base
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This was something I was considering. Unless he has some kind of wild break out season in the 2nd half, which is a possibility with this staff, his talent and if some of the weapons/ol come along, I cant see him sniffing the franchise tag. But honestly, 1st rd QBs or QBs in any round are a crap shoot. If Jones can stay healthy and improve steadily to the point where you trust him to be a Phil Simms type QB, sign him.
Not only was he not traded, he was publicly praised and handed the job before training camp by the owner. Also odd behavior that suggests he's more involved with the starting QB decision than he should be.
I have a hard time believing if the Giants have a playoff or close to playoff season that Mara is going to let Jones go. I'd love to be wrong about this, but I think that is the crux of the debate. And the Giants care a lot about fan sentiment and despite the fact that he is our QB this year, the discussion of his contributions is an important one.
I disagree. Our $18 million dollar wide receiver saw 2 snaps last week, and our explosive WR who actually played relatively well when healthy isn't being given a pass and large snap share, either. He's not making decisions based on Mara's preconceived notions.
He's playing guys who he think can give us best chance to win. There were no tempting QBs available with our early picks. So Jones is getting an opportunity to prove himself. Whether we like it or not, Jones was actually the best option out there for 2022 other than Jimmy G.
Short of carrying this team to the conference championship or going to the pro bowl he is gone. Fair, not fair, who knows. But that's how it is. Jones is auditioning for his next team.
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but I can't ignore the fact that most incumbent underperforming QBs get traded when a new GM / Coach arrive.
Not only was he not traded, he was publicly praised and handed the job before training camp by the owner. Also odd behavior that suggests he's more involved with the starting QB decision than he should be.
I have a hard time believing if the Giants have a playoff or close to playoff season that Mara is going to let Jones go. I'd love to be wrong about this, but I think that is the crux of the debate. And the Giants care a lot about fan sentiment and despite the fact that he is our QB this year, the discussion of his contributions is an important one.
I disagree. Our $18 million dollar wide receiver saw 2 snaps last week, and our explosive WR who actually played relatively well when healthy isn't being given a pass and large snap share, either. He's not making decisions based on Mara's preconceived notions.
He's playing guys who he think can give us best chance to win. There were no tempting QBs available with our early picks. So Jones is getting an opportunity to prove himself. Whether we like it or not, Jones was actually the best option out there for 2022 other than Jimmy G.
Ummmmm last I checked Mara didn't get up and gush about KG this offseason and hand him a starting job. How can you not see the difference in that? I never said Jones would get played because of money, no one did. Mara loves him and clearly gives him different treatment. How you don't see that I don't know
Short of carrying this team to the conference championship or going to the pro bowl he is gone. Fair, not fair, who knows. But that's how it is. Jones is auditioning for his next team.
I really think it can't be stressed enough that typically an underperforming QB like Jones is traded when a new regime comes in. It's cleaner, you get a fresh start, you get to have "your guy" at QB. The fact that he wasn't is actually kind of a rare case. You are applying logic to it but there was nothing logical or smart about Mara naming Jones the starter before the season
A more likely outcome IMO is the Giants win 7-10 games against a soft schedule this year and they offer Jones a Jameis Winston type 2 year/$30M deal. Jones gets to go into camp as the presumptive starter next year and gets some $$$, while Deboll/Schoen can either draft a QB first round if they like someone, draft a developmental QB later on, or just ride it with Jones and Taylor again and keep their long-term QB options open while upgrading the roster with their QB only having a modest cap hit.
If the Giants are picking in the 12-20 range, it's going to be extremely expensive to trade up and get one of the top few QBs.
It's not a killer to keep riding with Jones for a few more years while looking for the right time to go all-in on a better QB. What the Giants have to avoid doing is getting into a Kirk Cousins type of contract where they are paying a huge cap hit to a QB who isn't a top 10 guy. That's a trap to avoid IMO.
They can easily negotiate a lower contract for year 5. Its not franchise tag or bust.
So, Jones. Jones is kind of similar to Cousins except maybe a little more mobile. Cousins has top level talent at the skill positions and always seems to have his share of doink games.
I admittedly was calling out for Tyrod after Sunday's first half.......
This team needs to find the guy that will elevate the talent around him. Cousins doesn't do it....neither does most of the QB's in the league. They guys that do win and win consistently.
Our options are in the draft or free agency...ala Lamar Jackson. We should focus on that. Schoen is.
So, Jones. Jones is kind of similar to Cousins except maybe a little more mobile. Cousins has top level talent at the skill positions and always seems to have his share of doink games.
I admittedly was calling out for Tyrod after Sunday's first half.......
This team needs to find the guy that will elevate the talent around him. Cousins doesn't do it....neither does most of the QB's in the league. They guys that do win and win consistently.
Our options are in the draft or free agency...ala Lamar Jackson. We should focus on that. Schoen is.
Jones hasn't produced in any way remotely close to Cousins in this league. That's saying a lot, because Cousins is fools.