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| Jones has done enough to win the first two games, so that’s definitely progress. But there needs to be an understanding of the lens on Jones’ evaluation from Daboll and new general manager Joe Schoen. This isn’t like Jones’ second or third season when he had time on his side. When Schoen decided not to exercise Jones’ fifth-year option for 2023, this became a make-or-break season for the 25-year-old. So the stakes are much higher. Essentially, Jones needs to play well enough convince the new regime that he’s worthy of $31.5 million on the franchise tag in 2023. Otherwise, Schoen and Daboll will embark on a search for a quarterback to build around in the draft. They aligned themselves to take that path by declining Jones’ option. Daboll and Schoen have seen first-hand the difference an elite quarterback makes. Daboll has five Super Bowl rings, thanks in large part to Tom Brady, from his time as a Patriots assistant, while Daboll and Schoen were part of the group in Buffalo that chose Josh Allen with the seventh pick in the 2018 draft. Allen is in the conversation for the best quarterback in the league, and the Bills are Super Bowl favorites. It’s important to keep all of that in mind while evaluating Jones this season, because the people who will make the ultimate decision on the quarterback’s future certainly will. |
You can't ask a potter to take a plate and change it into a bowl, but give him some raw clay and he'll make whatever shape you want.
If you trust BD and the rest of the staff to be good at molding a new QB, like was done with JA, getting a new QB in the draft is the way to go.
Lmao. Nice post.
Maybe it’s the same with Richardson? Maybe Jordan Travis continues to improve and can similar QB to hurts.
he needs to be a LOT better to warrant staying- right now its not even close--- has not shown to be the guy at all.
Let me tell you something, that throwing receivers open is a definitely a void in Jones's game. And it manifests itself in those moments when he can't pull the trigger. Because the guys who can do that - Mahomes, Rodgers, Herbert, Allen - have such confidence in their arm that they are absolutely convinced they can fit the ball into the tightest of windows. Jones absolutely doesn't have that confidence.
And he probably shouldn't because he doesn't have the skills to have that level of confidence...
This is so true. Not a Giant fan, just a member of the DJFC.
2. Sign Gardner Minshew. He has a high TD to TO ratio, has a higher YPA than Jones. You get your mediocre QB who can probably do a better job as game manager than Jones.
This Gardner Minshew obsession with people is strange. He may be a slightly better Jones, at best. He could not beat out Jalen Hurts....and yes Hurts looked great Monday.
Does anyone who has seen Levis, Richardson, et al think they will be better pros than Jones? So far they look like Trubiskys AT BEST. Van Dyke looked lousy vs A&M just as all the QBs not named Stroud/Young havent looked good vs decent teams so far
I don't know if Levis, Richardson, Van Dyke, Stroud, Young, Hooker, etc will be better pros than Jones.
But I am absolutely convinced that are much more physically talented that Jones. You can't teach the physical tools. Those are innate. And too many on this board fail to see that it's never been more important in the NFL to have elite physical skills at the QB position.
It's an off-script league. Unless you have Brady, you'd better have a QB with the skills to make off-script plays. We don't have that right now.
Love Allen. Also like how Diggs can run 15 yards down the sideline stop on a dime and the corner is 6-7 yards off him. Just like Monday night. Defenses sure have that type of fear of Giants WR's don't they?
Some criticisms of Jones of fair. As always, you never hear the other side of things.
You can't ask a potter to take a plate and change it into a bowl, but give him some raw clay and he'll make whatever shape you want.
If you trust BD and the rest of the staff to be good at molding a new QB, like was done with JA, getting a new QB in the draft is the way to go.
Great post. Couldn't agree more.
Levis, Richardson, et al arent looking great out of the gate this year and dont look anywhere close to being better than Jones
Its not just about Jones, its about who can they find to replace him
Just a bad take, from start to finish.
There are bad risks to take on QBs. But unwilling to take any and not insitute some change at the position makes no sense.
Especially if the alternative is paying more for the flawed QB you have now because the status quo feels comfortable...
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The only hope is that Daboll is constructing an extensive reel of Jones not pulling the trigger on tight windows and reminding the owner that two of the four Lombardis in the case are there because #10 had no such hesitation, regardless of what was on the line. That might have been Eli’s greatest trait beyond his between-game preparation, and few outside the fan base seem to understand that.
If there was ever a time to employ the Ozzie Smith “We love you, but we have a plan in place, so go get the best deal you can get out there and come back with it and we’ll discuss options”. They simply cannot let fear of losing this player complicate the path forward, and I agree with those who feel the decision on the fifth year option is encouraging.
Oh I'm definitely encouraged by it. I'm just not ready to say that it means Jones will get shown the door if his play / efficient asset management merits it. I do think we have a worlds better shot on JS getting some kind of better compromise from the situation though and I'm hopeful he could sell a suggestion like yours. Some are making it out to be a thing where Mara is saying I'm putting my foot down and it's Jones for X. Life doesn't really work like that especially with a personality type like Maras. But it is sometimes hard to ignore the opinions of your boss and your co-worker bosses in the personnel department if they are, like we just think it is best to pay DJ for a few more seasons while you pursue your QB solution.
And JS and BD won't be the first or last people that are sold on a job a certain way and have found it to be different as time went on and their bosses became more comfortable.
Facts are Chris got his nice personnel title back. John is naming the starter before the season. And we have a mountain of data of the Mara's being a highly meddlesome bunch. Not sure what is so ridiculous about saying let's get some time collecting some real proof of a change in the data before declaring it fixed and waving the mission accomplished banner.
Furthermore, few GMs get the luxury of their owners not meddling I doubt that is table stakes at all. It's the grey area of how much meddling that is the real unknown.
And I don't think anyone can speak to that reliably, I'm not saying Jones being forced on the team after a mediocre season is the dominant probability. But it certainly is possibly that he is retained due to strong influence from the Mara gang.
We are 2-0 and the same contigentent of fools are complaining we are not winning by enough. A win is a win is a win. Thes games are usually razor thin. Buffalo is now the team on the up and come. Who helped build them. For Christ's sake let these guys do their jobs. So far so good. Sy even said in his report not being able to get solid play from the interior OL is causing issues. They will figure it out. We go against a very solid DL this week that will be 3 weeks in a row. They need to get better, Jones is doing his part to keep them in theses games. That said, there will be games that he will have to do more to win. In order for that to happen he will have to take more chances, tough to take those chances when you cant step up to see what is happening. DJ will need to start to more chances which leads to bigger plays and more TO's. Risk reward but as we know from the past hard to make throws when a WR has no time to get open or you QB can not step up or he is lying on his back.
Enjoy 2-0 and let's hope we do just enough again to be 3-0.
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My questions were not meant to come off as me saying “I know Mara does not meddle”. They were legitimate questions. I also did not see that Sean had asked this prior in the thread.
Mara does not want to steamroll his GM, but Mara will name the starting qb? Mara wants to get his way behind the scenes, but publicly James Jones the starter? It is not the owner’s place to set the depth chart of a position, to me that is steamrolling and not working behind the scenes.
I don't think nor anyone should that Mara is so out of control that he would name a starter at a press conference not having discussed that at all with his coach and GM. I think that press conference was highly reflective of both conversations being had in that building as well as the very clear involvement of Mara in those conversations.
Also in regards to your 2nd part, you are acting like Mara is on an island as an owner. You don't think the one of the most senior personnel people (Chris Mara) and the future owner in that department get a say in the QB decision? It's not as black and white as you are suggesting where someone is being steamrolled or JS has free reign to make the decision. Business is always politics and Mara has a fragile ego to handle after all he's been through I bet. Chris has a fragile enough ego that he cared about his title enough to have it changed back to personnel after not even a full offseason of being booted from that department. Think that's a guy you want to say "hey, I hear you but you are wrong" to?
Person 1: What a fun roller coaster ride!
Person 2: Yeah! But I'm not sure I want to keep riding it one of those connections looks a little loose from down here
Person 1: God, you are such a miserable person why can't we just talk about how much fun it was and ride again?
- DJFC
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1. My preference is to draft a QB but I don't follow college.
2. Sign Gardner Minshew. He has a high TD to TO ratio, has a higher YPA than Jones. You get your mediocre QB who can probably do a better job as game manager than Jones.
This Gardner Minshew obsession with people is strange. He may be a slightly better Jones, at best. He could not beat out Jalen Hurts....and yes Hurts looked great Monday.
What obsession? I literally called him mediocre.
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1. My preference is to draft a QB but I don't follow college.
2. Sign Gardner Minshew. He has a high TD to TO ratio, has a higher YPA than Jones. You get your mediocre QB who can probably do a better job as game manager than Jones.
This Gardner Minshew obsession with people is strange. He may be a slightly better Jones, at best. He could not beat out Jalen Hurts....and yes Hurts looked great Monday.
What obsession? I literally called him mediocre.
Shut up, you said full bloom love, I saw it
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1. My preference is to draft a QB but I don't follow college.
2. Sign Gardner Minshew. He has a high TD to TO ratio, has a higher YPA than Jones. You get your mediocre QB who can probably do a better job as game manager than Jones.
This Gardner Minshew obsession with people is strange. He may be a slightly better Jones, at best. He could not beat out Jalen Hurts....and yes Hurts looked great Monday.
What obsession? I literally called him mediocre.
If this is the path DB takes, I'd rather just keep Tyrod that bring in Gardner. I don't think Minschew is better, or any good for that matter, and Tyrod already knows the system so the team can keep moving forward.
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My questions were not meant to come off as me saying “I know Mara does not meddle”. They were legitimate questions. I also did not see that Sean had asked this prior in the thread.
Mara does not want to steamroll his GM, but Mara will name the starting qb? Mara wants to get his way behind the scenes, but publicly James Jones the starter? It is not the owner’s place to set the depth chart of a position, to me that is steamrolling and not working behind the scenes.
I don't think nor anyone should that Mara is so out of control that he would name a starter at a press conference not having discussed that at all with his coach and GM. I think that press conference was highly reflective of both conversations being had in that building as well as the very clear involvement of Mara in those conversations.
Also in regards to your 2nd part, you are acting like Mara is on an island as an owner. You don't think the one of the most senior personnel people (Chris Mara) and the future owner in that department get a say in the QB decision? It's not as black and white as you are suggesting where someone is being steamrolled or JS has free reign to make the decision. Business is always politics and Mara has a fragile ego to handle after all he's been through I bet. Chris has a fragile enough ego that he cared about his title enough to have it changed back to personnel after not even a full offseason of being booted from that department. Think that's a guy you want to say "hey, I hear you but you are wrong" to?
If Mara consulted with the coach about Jones being the starting qb then what is the problem with him saying that Jones is the starter and Taylor was brought in as a backup?
I believe you said earlier that it suggested that Mara was still too involved.
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1. My preference is to draft a QB but I don't follow college.
2. Sign Gardner Minshew. He has a high TD to TO ratio, has a higher YPA than Jones. You get your mediocre QB who can probably do a better job as game manager than Jones.
This Gardner Minshew obsession with people is strange. He may be a slightly better Jones, at best. He could not beat out Jalen Hurts....and yes Hurts looked great Monday.
What obsession? I literally called him mediocre.
He has been brought up several times in the past two years. Not always you, true. He is so good that he is the backup to Hurts.
And yes, he is mediocre. Why would you replace mediocre with mediocre - just to have someone other than Jones at QB?
Andy Dalton was far better than Minshew, would you want him? Like Trubisky, why would anyone want him?
If Jones is gone(he will be), you need/want a big upgrade not equal talent or slight upgrade.
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1. My preference is to draft a QB but I don't follow college.
2. Sign Gardner Minshew. He has a high TD to TO ratio, has a higher YPA than Jones. You get your mediocre QB who can probably do a better job as game manager than Jones.
This Gardner Minshew obsession with people is strange. He may be a slightly better Jones, at best. He could not beat out Jalen Hurts....and yes Hurts looked great Monday.
What obsession? I literally called him mediocre.
He has been brought up several times in the past two years. Not always you, true. He is so good that he is the backup to Hurts.
And yes, he is mediocre. Why would you replace mediocre with mediocre - just to have someone other than Jones at QB?
Andy Dalton was far better than Minshew, would you want him? Like Trubisky, why would anyone want him?
If Jones is gone(he will be), you need/want a big upgrade not equal talent or slight upgrade.
Well, there is something to be said for expectations, IMO. So if the 2023 offseason begins to shape up as one where the Giants prefer to replace Jones but feel uncertain about their ability to acquire a QB prospect that they believe has genuine franchise QB potential, they may find themselves looking at placeholder options.
They could:
1) Attempt to bring DJ back on a team-friendly bargain contract (in QB terms)
2) Roll with Tyrod Taylor and double down with another journeyman to compete with him (this could be Minshew or someone of that caliber) for QB1
3) Roll with Tyrod Taylor in the QB1 placeholder role and take a high-upside project QB (like Willis would have been in this past draft)
You can make a case for DJ and Minshew being interchangeable in scenarios 1 and 2, but I would argue that if DJ is brought back, it will be hard for anyone other than a highly-touted rookie to unseat him as QB1 without a QB controversy, simply because he's the incumbent. Even if Schoen and Daboll have no loyalty to DJ, there is still the possibility of inertia.
But if you replace DJ even with his exact replica, but one who has already become thought of as a journeyman, that perception will be different - certainly among fans, but also possibly among teammates and coaches. You rarely ever see a truly open competition for QB1 on an NFL team. There is almost always a presumptive QB1 on every roster, or an (hopefully) ascendant QB prospect waiting in the wings.
It also gives DJ a fresh start elsewhere, which would have to be appealing compared to just accepting his role as placeholder until something better comes along. For everyone's sake, I think DJ either needs to earn the right to be the unquestioned QB1, or both sides need to move on.
Honestly, the idea of hanging onto DJ to extend this limbo status for another year or two just reeks of wanting to split up with someone but being too afraid of being alone, so you embrace dysfunction for fear of loneliness.
Well, there is something to be said for expectations, IMO. So if the 2023 offseason begins to shape up as one where the Giants prefer to replace Jones but feel uncertain about their ability to acquire a QB prospect that they believe has genuine franchise QB potential, they may find themselves looking at placeholder options.
They could:
1) Attempt to bring DJ back on a team-friendly bargain contract (in QB terms)
2) Roll with Tyrod Taylor and double down with another journeyman to compete with him (this could be Minshew or someone of that caliber) for QB1
3) Roll with Tyrod Taylor in the QB1 placeholder role and take a high-upside project QB (like Willis would have been in this past draft)
You can make a case for DJ and Minshew being interchangeable in scenarios 1 and 2, but I would argue that if DJ is brought back, it will be hard for anyone other than a highly-touted rookie to unseat him as QB1 without a QB controversy, simply because he's the incumbent. Even if Schoen and Daboll have no loyalty to DJ, there is still the possibility of inertia.
But if you replace DJ even with his exact replica, but one who has already become thought of as a journeyman, that perception will be different - certainly among fans, but also possibly among teammates and coaches. You rarely ever see a truly open competition for QB1 on an NFL team. There is almost always a presumptive QB1 on every roster, or an (hopefully) ascendant QB prospect waiting in the wings.
It also gives DJ a fresh start elsewhere, which would have to be appealing compared to just accepting his role as placeholder until something better comes along. For everyone's sake, I think DJ either needs to earn the right to be the unquestioned QB1, or both sides need to move on.
Honestly, the idea of hanging onto DJ to extend this limbo status for another year or two just reeks of wanting to split up with someone but being too afraid of being alone, so you embrace dysfunction for fear of loneliness.
I agree with you on this. If Jones goes FA, which I am certain he will, I doubt he would want to come back for a season or two at a reduced rate. Better he go elsewhere and start fresh.
Wow - talk about thinking outside the box.
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1. My preference is to draft a QB but I don't follow college.
2. Sign Gardner Minshew. He has a high TD to TO ratio, has a higher YPA than Jones. You get your mediocre QB who can probably do a better job as game manager than Jones.
This Gardner Minshew obsession with people is strange. He may be a slightly better Jones, at best. He could not beat out Jalen Hurts....and yes Hurts looked great Monday.
What obsession? I literally called him mediocre.
He has been brought up several times in the past two years. Not always you, true. He is so good that he is the backup to Hurts.
And yes, he is mediocre. Why would you replace mediocre with mediocre - just to have someone other than Jones at QB?
Andy Dalton was far better than Minshew, would you want him? Like Trubisky, why would anyone want him?
If Jones is gone(he will be), you need/want a big upgrade not equal talent or slight upgrade.
I agree, I want a young quarterback through the draft that has the potential to be an elite QB. If we can't get that, I'd sign Minshew or someone like that. Dalton is cooked. Minshew will cost little and give the team what Jones has (and I'd argue might be better). No one thinks he's good.
Taylor is going to be 34 to start next season and he also isn't good. He's probably close to cooked too.
Unless he's legitimately checking all the boxes for Daboll and Schoen by week 15, there's very little reason to think he's going to be back next year. The Giants already have their bridge QB/ bus driver to the next drafted QB. It's not jones.
Unless he's legitimately checking all the boxes for Daboll and Schoen by week 15, there's very little reason to think he's going to be back next year. The Giants already have their bridge QB/ bus driver to the next drafted QB. It's not jones.
If they already know it's not Jones why are they giving him this year? Makes no sense.
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Seems real simple here. Despite being very limited on the salary cap, they signed taylor to a multi-year deal at fair money for a backup/spot starter. They declined the 5YO on jones. They set the table for Jones to self-determine his value.
Unless he's legitimately checking all the boxes for Daboll and Schoen by week 15, there's very little reason to think he's going to be back next year. The Giants already have their bridge QB/ bus driver to the next drafted QB. It's not jones.
If they already know it's not Jones why are they giving him this year? Makes no sense.
Because he is their best chance to win and the money is spent. You are not wrong, though - perhaps they want to see if he is salvageable and to what degree.
Wow - talk about thinking outside the box.
No one is suggesting Minshew or Taylor are taking NYG to the promised land. They're literally just suggesting hiring a temp to fill a role after the incumbent gets fired at the end of his PIP. Or does your company typically just let the PIP employee stay on until they hire his replacement?
I agree, I want a young quarterback through the draft that has the potential to be an elite QB. If we can't get that, I'd sign Minshew or someone like that. Dalton is cooked. Minshew will cost little and give the team what Jones has (and I'd argue might be better). No one thinks he's good.
Taylor is going to be 34 to start next season and he also isn't good. He's probably close to cooked too.
I would try to wrestle Tyler Huntley from the Ravens. I really like how his skills fit the modern game. And I could see Daboll/Kafka really polishing his game to fit their style of offense.
HC's don't last long around here without getting to the playoffs. Unfortunately some HC's get luckier than others when they start. BD would be one year down on the clock. It may be a few years till things align that you get the QB that you want in the draft. Someone has to play the position and BD will have to win.
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I agree, I want a young quarterback through the draft that has the potential to be an elite QB. If we can't get that, I'd sign Minshew or someone like that. Dalton is cooked. Minshew will cost little and give the team what Jones has (and I'd argue might be better). No one thinks he's good.
Taylor is going to be 34 to start next season and he also isn't good. He's probably close to cooked too.
I would try to wrestle Tyler Huntley from the Ravens. I really like how his skills fit the modern game. And I could see Daboll/Kafka really polishing his game to fit their style of offense.
Trade for a backup QB? His numbers do not look so hot that you would waste a pick on...
I would try to wrestle Tyler Huntley from the Ravens. I really like how his skills fit the modern game. And I could see Daboll/Kafka really polishing his game to fit their style of offense.
Trade for a backup QB? His numbers do not look so hot that you would waste a pick on...
Huntley is only 24. I would gamble a 3rd on him. And look at his game long last year. He had one bad game out of five starts. In the other four, he averaged nearly a 60 QBR.
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I would try to wrestle Tyler Huntley from the Ravens. I really like how his skills fit the modern game. And I could see Daboll/Kafka really polishing his game to fit their style of offense.
Trade for a backup QB? His numbers do not look so hot that you would waste a pick on...
Huntley is only 24. I would gamble a 3rd on him. And look at his game long last year. He had one bad game out of five starts. In the other four, he averaged nearly a 60 QBR.
Interesting. The article I read said he had one great game and 4 bad ones...The game he won was his lowest rating, too.
NFW, I give up a 3rd for him. You can probably get an equal prospect out of college for a 3rd. And he is kind of small. I don't see Daboll going with a 6'1" under 200 lbs QB.
There are good QBs to be had after round 1.
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If they can't get someone they want in round 1 I definitely see them adding one in rounds 2-4. This draft will have a lot of interesting QB's imv. Then it would be Jones/FA with that DP. This won't stop them from addressing QB again (if needed) in the draft if things line up.
There are good QBs to be had after round 1.
Yes. Longer shot to get a upper tier one but plenty you could win games with and go to the playoffs. Cheap so you can even add more quality players to the team.
So Daniel Jones has been the "most pressured" quarterback through 2 weeks, with pressure on 49.3 percent of his drop backs...
OL needs time to gel after completely overhauling but this certainly isn't good. We need more from the interior guys badly #NYG
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If they can't get someone they want in round 1 I definitely see them adding one in rounds 2-4. This draft will have a lot of interesting QB's imv. Then it would be Jones/FA with that DP. This won't stop them from addressing QB again (if needed) in the draft if things line up.
There are good QBs to be had after round 1.
Like who? Top 15 pick QBs are a 50/50 shot to be good. After round 1 the odds drop like a rock
Sean - those "reports" of a deep QB draft were in July before the games began. Levis, Richardson, and Van Dyke have all looked less than those reports so far when playing decent teams
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If they can't get someone they want in round 1 I definitely see them adding one in rounds 2-4. This draft will have a lot of interesting QB's imv. Then it would be Jones/FA with that DP. This won't stop them from addressing QB again (if needed) in the draft if things line up.
There are good QBs to be had after round 1.
Like who? Top 15 pick QBs are a 50/50 shot to be good. After round 1 the odds drop like a rock
Russ Wilson - 3rd rnd
Dak Prescott - 4th rnd
Tom Brady - 6th rnd
Cousins - 4th - meh
It is a different era of football. Even I know the position is changing and there are more opportunities for Lamar Jackson type running/throwing QBs.
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If they can't get someone they want in round 1 I definitely see them adding one in rounds 2-4. This draft will have a lot of interesting QB's imv. Then it would be Jones/FA with that DP. This won't stop them from addressing QB again (if needed) in the draft if things line up.
There are good QBs to be had after round 1.
Like who? Top 15 pick QBs are a 50/50 shot to be good. After round 1 the odds drop like a rock
Russ Wilson - 3rd rnd
Dak Prescott - 4th rnd
Tom Brady - 6th rnd
Cousins - 4th - meh
It is a different era of football. Even I know the position is changing and there are more opportunities for Lamar Jackson type running/throwing QBs.
So 4 guys and two are meh (Dak and Cousins). Now count up how many QBs were taken from Brady's draft to last year after round 1? 100? More than 100? Even if its 100, that means 2 out of 100, that would be a 2% success rate
It is a different era of football. Even I know the position is changing and there are more opportunities for Lamar Jackson type running/throwing QBs.
So 4 guys and two are meh (Dak and Cousins). Now count up how many QBs were taken from Brady's draft to last year after round 1? 100? More than 100? Even if its 100, that means 2 out of 100, that would be a 2% success rate
That is 4 off the top of my head. And Dak is not meh. I figured the "yeah buts" would be the reply. But yes the likelihood is near zero. However, if you think only a top 15 pick can become a VG starting QB, then why bother drafting after #15? Why waste a pick when you can get starting WRs, DEs, OL, LBs, CBs in late rnd 1, plus 2, 3, 4....why waste your time?
Geezus - different era now. I am also feeling that throw away QB will now be drafted. Guys used and abused until contract time, let go, and another found. Beat spending 20% of the cap on one guy.
Not to miller the thread, but this is something that Terps was advocating for years ago, and it does have merit.
The league adjusted years ago to the reality that RBs tended to age quickly and age poorly, so very few of them ever reach a lucrative second contract (or beyond). It's entirely possible that teams will begin to adopt a similar approach with QBs, but not because of the wear-and-tear; rather, because of the difference in cap value at the QB position from rookie contract to veteran contract.
Obviously, it's the rookie salary scale that creates this massive implied value at the QB position (20 years ago, rookie QBs taken near the top of the draft were expensive right away), but it's the advanced offensive schemes at the high school and college levels that make it possible to take advantage of that opportunity.
That's why it's so important for a QB to develop quickly at the NFL level: the salary cap advantage is too massive to take lightly, and because QBs should be able to play at a high level very early on in today's QB-friendly NFL, with offensive systems that are actually based on the college game, rather than the way it used to be, when the NFL game was exponentially more sophisticated than the scholastic and collegiate ranks.
That's also why it's tiresome when the DJFC trots out examples from decades ago of QBs who took a long time to develop, because it's irrelevant. A QB has to be really good within his rookie contract, and if he's not, you're better off failing fast and hitting the reset button every four years (if not sooner) until you find the franchise guy. It's an exhausting process, but it's still more realistic than hoping to build the kind of supporting cast necessary to carry a game-manager style of QB (by all means, if you want to give me the 2000 Ravens defense or even the 2002 Bucs defense, I can see a path to a championship with a QB on DJ's level).
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I am also feeling that throw away QB will now be drafted. Guys used and abused until contract time, let go, and another found. Beat spending 20% of the cap on one guy.
Not to miller the thread, but this is something that Terps was advocating for years ago, and it does have merit.
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IIRC, all Terps said was you should pick one every year because you never know what you will find....I don't remember him thinking of drafting QBs to use them up and get rid of them before they got that 2nd and killer contract. I think Gil Brandt believes the same thing on taking one each year.
I think it is a good idea if your team is built and you have depth all around. Not sure a team like the Giants can afford to use a 3rd round flier on a QB with all the holes they have and the lack of talent on the roster. You can get a legit starter at almost any other position thru the 3rd round.
Probably explains why he is such a big soccer fan in a country that doesnt care about soccer after high school
There are four starting QB who aren’t on rookie deals, who make less than 25M a year.
Winston: 2/28M — coming off a torn ACL
Garopollo: 1/~16M — coming off a shoulder injury
Mariota: 2/18M — coming off being a backup
Trubisky: 2/14 — coming off being a backup
So fair is north is 25M right? But 25M isn’t informative, as that’s Brady on a discount, so the next guy is Tannehill at 29.5M, so is that fair?
A QB drafted in the 1st round has a > 0% chance of becoming a good QB.
Drafting a QB in the 1st round is way better than keeping Daniel Jones.
If we keep Jones, we essentially forfeit our chances of ever being good.
A QB drafted in the 1st round has a > 0% chance of becoming a good QB.
Drafting a QB in the 1st round is way better than keeping Daniel Jones.
If we keep Jones, we essentially forfeit our chances of ever being good.
I wasted 30 seconds of my life reading this....