If the Bills offered a #1 for him. They are a great team which would mean a low 1 but he might put them over the top. His value certainly is a lot higher after his start this year. As we know there is a relationship between the front offices. I know it is early in the season and we are all excited with our start but…
If we are not going to sign him or franchise him you move him even for a 3rd round pick.
If he plays 17 games and has a Barkley year I think at minimum you franchise him for at least 1 year.
i personally doubt any team gives up a 1st for any rb. but you never know. the rams are aggressive traders and they need another weapon on offense.
if the packages get more into the realistic 2nd/3rd range then it more comes down to how much the current regime likes barkley and wants to keep him. the running back market is so weighed down if they can extend him similar to chubb it would be a good value if he finally stays healthy.
Trading him for anything worth more than just keeping him would mean finding an "old school" team that thinks its a piece away. They don't exist.
I'm in wait and see mode, depends on a number of factors including whether or not we are in the playoff hunt.
In general, I would absolutely trade SB by the trade deadline. It's so much wiser to spend that money on other positions that are more critical to success and winning.
And I might do that trade even if we are in the playoff hunt. That's a tricky move, but I think we could replace his production by committee.
As for the comp, I'd take anything in terms of a pick(s) but insist on a player who could contribute for us, like a TE, OL, WR.
It saves you probably 9 million on the cap next year.
It makes smart sense and Barkley after 400 touches this season is a big risk for 10 million+ in 2023.
General question: what's the highest pick the Giants could obtain if they lost SB simply to free agency - meaning just letting him walk.
General question: what's the highest pick the Giants could obtain if they lost SB simply to free agency - meaning just letting him walk.
Comp pick would be a 3rd but we have cap space next year and probably sign someone to neutralize that pick.
Hard to disagree, especially when we heard Mara saying he envisioned Barkley being a Giant for life.
Mara loves Barkley as the face of the organization. It's easy to see why. Great kid who puts team and organization first. And he moves merchandise.
If it was 1988, sure, keep him. But the economics of the modern NFL have started to make the high-profile RB extinct.
I also don't see the Giants trading Barkley. He's basically the whole offense right now.
Obviously I don’t want to pay him 15M a season. But I want a healthy Barkley on the Giants for the next 2-3 seasons
2. He’s the centerpiece of the offense
3. Our young and inexperienced OL, which may even get younger next year without Feliciano, is better run blocking than pass blocking
4. If we are breaking in a new QB, a reliable run game will be even more important.
5. He is more than a RB, he is a receiving threat as well.
6. Top tier RBs cost significantly less than top tier WRs
7. It’s easier to find stud WRs in the draft, and we will probably draft one high.
8. Continuity. With a new QB and transitioning WR group, letting Barkley continue to gain familiarity with the developing OL bodes well for the next 3 year window.
9. We have plenty of cap space to resign our own, where we know how the players fit the scheme, and there is less uncertainty of personality fit as with outside free agents. Especially if we have a QB on a rookie deal for the length of his extension.
10. Barkley doesn’t seem like a diva, and I trust we won’t have to overpay to keep him. It’ll be mutually beneficial to keep him in NY.
1st round pick? Maybe not. But you can always sweeten on our side too. Say Buffalo 1st and 3rd for SB and our 2nd? Negotiate like that
I would not give Barkley a big contract to stay. Let him walk after the season and get compensatory picks.
but we shouldn’t be franchising him next year, expensive RBs are topping off pieces for teams making a run, not foundational pieces on a rebuilding team. We’d save a chunk on the cap and get ammo for the inevitable move for a QB in the draft. The start makes it more complicated but it should still be a no brainer.
Barkley is a great piece for a team making a run, even with the winning start if there is interest we should cash in
1st round pick? Maybe not. But you can always sweeten on our side too. Say Buffalo 1st and 3rd for SB and our 2nd? Negotiate like that
Only issue here is their 1st and our 2nd might only be 10 picks apart (or less) which is 100/110 points. I'd rather just take their second but I get your point.
And if the Giants start losing, your strategy only works if it's despite Barkley's stellar play. Otherwise his value drops.
Barkley is the face of the franchise.
Giants already have 2 wins “in the bank” and their pre-trading deadline schedule features winnable games against the Cowboys (minus Dak), the Bears, Jags and Seahawks.
We’ve also been told for years that as much as Mara hates losing, he hates it even more when late November and December home games are either at less than capacity or filled with opposing fans.
Given that… Do you really think that Mara is going to trade Barkley by the deadline, thus sending a signal to fans that the season is over on Nov. 1st????
Barkley is not going anywhere.
I'm only trading him for a package commensurate with that view.
Now, if Robinson comes back and makes plays and Thibs gets on the field and makes play, now we have some young guys to grab attention.
Barkley for a 2nd and 5th would be a steal considering cost and contract status.
All of this talk about where we would need to get to in the draft order means nothing right now. Worry about where we need to be in the offseason. Having more ammo regardless is a big need.
I’d move him for a 3rd unless the Giants are confident they can get him on a team friendly deal.
I love Barkley, but the basic puzzle hasn't changed, much less been solved. When healthy, he's arguably a generational talent, but in today's NFL, you don't need a generational talent at the RB position to win a Super Bowl, and certainly not if he expects to be paid like one. And there's the quite salient fact that Barkley gets dinged with alarming frequency.
while the Bills D has only given up 17 points.
LOL. No they don't and yes they would. Even if they did, they're not going to offer a pick high enough to make the trade worth it for the Giants. Barkley is worth more on the roster than he is as a 5th or 6th round pick, which is what you're getting for a guy with a severe knee injury in his past who has played one great and one average game this year.
Ten years of lousy football, we finally as fans are enjoying some success, and some want to trade their best play maker.
I just don’t get it.
Assuming he has as productive year as we expect, I'd like to see what they can do to keep him on this roster. He is a rare talent in the game and could help accelerate this rebuild if he can have 3-4 solid seasons.
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LOL. No they don't and yes they would. Even if they did, they're not going to offer a pick high enough to make the trade worth it for the Giants. Barkley is worth more on the roster than he is as a 5th or 6th round pick, which is what you're getting for a guy with a severe knee injury in his past who has played one great and one average game this year.
Agree with much of what you say, except for 2 things.
Barkley's 2nd game was not just average. Most of his 72 rushing yards came in the second half and a case could be made that he was the difference maker in BOTH games.
And if Barkley only averaged 72 yards per game he would finish with 1,224 yards. (Only 2 RBs rushed for more yards than that last year.)
Also, if Barkley were playing well enough this year to get other teams interested in trading for him, the fact that Barkley had a "a severe knee injury" a few years ago would be irrelevant.
Ten years of lousy football, we finally as fans are enjoying some success, and some want to trade their best play maker.
I just don’t get it.
Because this is a rebuilding team probably without a franchise QB.
If you want a franchise QB, you're going to have to draft him and the Giants don't have enough draft capital to do so.
Plus, by the time the new QB is entering his prime, Barkley will be three years older.
And yet here we are making threads about trading the guy that the offense literally runs through.
It seems like there’s a large contingent of giants fans who have let the draft become their favorite part of the season, rather than the actual game of football itself.
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LOL. No they don't and yes they would. Even if they did, they're not going to offer a pick high enough to make the trade worth it for the Giants. Barkley is worth more on the roster than he is as a 5th or 6th round pick, which is what you're getting for a guy with a severe knee injury in his past who has played one great and one average game this year.
Agree with much of what you say, except for 2 things.
Barkley's 2nd game was not just average. Most of his 72 rushing yards came in the second half and a case could be made that he was the difference maker in BOTH games.
And if Barkley only averaged 72 yards per game he would finish with 1,224 yards. (Only 2 RBs rushed for more yards than that last year.)
Also, if Barkley were playing well enough this year to get other teams interested in trading for him, the fact that Barkley had a "a severe knee injury" a few years ago would be irrelevant.
Regardless, they are not going to get a premium pick for him. He is not going to be here for the next Giants' super bowl, but he is worth more to the Giants than a 5th or 6th round pick.
And yet here we are making threads about trading the guy that the offense literally runs through.
It seems like there’s a large contingent of giants fans who have let the draft become their favorite part of the season, rather than the actual game of football itself.
Do you want to be stuck with Daniel Jones next year?
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2-0 for the first time in years, a favorable schedule, and our defense is absolutely balling without its 2 best edge rushers.
And yet here we are making threads about trading the guy that the offense literally runs through.
It seems like there’s a large contingent of giants fans who have let the draft become their favorite part of the season, rather than the actual game of football itself.
Do you want to be stuck with Daniel Jones next year?
I don’t know that yet Eric. But I do know I am not ready to begin rooting for draft position after 2 weeks; I m betting you re not either