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NFT: Judge Hits 60 HRs in Game 147

christian : 9/20/2022 11:36 pm
In 1927 Ruth hit 60 in game 151, and then of course Maris hit 61 in game 162.

PEDs arguments aside, the next four games will be a hell of a ride for Yankees fans.
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Ruth hit 60 in team game 154  
shyster : 9/20/2022 11:42 pm : link
Since the other stats you give are also team games, that would be the correct comparison.

Ruth only played in 151 games but Judge and Maris also missed games.
Wonder how Hal and Cash  
section125 : 9/20/2022 11:46 pm : link
feel now on not getting a contract done for Judge? Some team will offer to pay him $40mill for 8 years...
RE: Ruth hit 60 in team game 154  
christian : 9/20/2022 11:49 pm : link
In comment 15825920 shyster said:
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Since the other stats you give are also team games, that would be the correct comparison.

Ruth only played in 151 games but Judge and Maris also missed games.


You are correct. I always thought it was the team's 151st.
RE: Wonder how Hal and Cash  
christian : 9/20/2022 11:51 pm : link
In comment 15825921 section125 said:
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feel now on not getting a contract done for Judge? Some team will offer to pay him $40mill for 8 years...


I'm pretty sure that team is named the New York Yankees.
On one hand, it's not like the Yankees to suddenly get frugal.  
BlackLight : 9/21/2022 12:25 am : link
But on the other hand, Judge turns 31 next April, and we might be watching him play the best season he's likely going to ever play.
And Judge did this with no protection, batting 2nd or 1st  
sb from NYT Forum : 9/21/2022 12:29 am : link
...maybe Ruth should get an asterisk after Judge's year.

(jk of course)
It would be great to see Judge set the record for most home runs  
GeofromNJ : 9/21/2022 12:55 am : link
in a 154 game schedule. He has seven games in which to hit at least one more. Too bad 73 is not within reach. I would love to see Bonds record surpassed. By the way, there can be no doubt that Bonds was fully juiced in 2001. The most HRs he hit in any other year was 49.
If I am not mistaken,  
robbieballs2003 : 9/21/2022 6:52 am : link
Judge currently is leading all triple crown categories.
RE: If I am not mistaken,  
Eman11 : 9/21/2022 7:06 am : link
In comment 15825960 robbieballs2003 said:
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Judge currently is leading all triple crown categories.


You’re not. He’s in the clear lead for HR’s and RBI and looks like he’s .2 ahead in BA.
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mfsd : 9/21/2022 7:10 am : link
In comment 15825966 Eman11 said:
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Judge currently is leading all triple crown categories.



You’re not. He’s in the clear lead for HR’s and RBI and looks like he’s .2 ahead in BA.


Yup. Boegarts went 0-2 and Arraez 0-5.

Hate to root against guys, but in this case may they go 0 for the rest of the season
Actually .1 ahead in BA  
Eman11 : 9/21/2022 7:11 am : link
I was only looking at the guy from the Twins who was leading going into yesterday but Boegarts snuck up ahead of him as well and is right on Judge’s tail.

Going to be a nip and tuck race to the end between these three guys but the way Judge is locked in it wouldn’t surprise me if he opened up a lead on them. Especially if he gets 61 and 62 out of the way quickly.

Sometimes chasing things like that takes a guy out of his normal swing but so far doesn’t seem to be the case for Judge. It’d be great if he gets another tonight.
Amazing player.  
section125 : 9/21/2022 7:47 am : link
Never gets rattled. Gets terrible calls while at bat and makes a face or chirps to himself, but digs back in..

The post about Ruth getting an asterisk for hitting 60 while surrounded by one of the best lineups to every play is funny but true. Lou Gehrig behind Ruth. If Giancarlo was healthy the whole season it would be comparable - and Gehrig hit for high average too.
Heard on the FAN  
PA Aggie : 9/21/2022 8:43 am : link
That San Fran owner is going all in on trying to get him? Will be an interesting bidding war.

Still worth it if his production is anything close to this year. And the marketing end of things...kids have someone great to look up to.
RE: Heard on the FAN  
section125 : 9/21/2022 8:45 am : link
In comment 15826009 PA Aggie said:
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That San Fran owner is going all in on trying to get him? Will be an interesting bidding war.

Still worth it if his production is anything close to this year. And the marketing end of things...kids have someone great to look up to.


He'd be worth it at 35-45 HRs per year.
I was there with my son! 4th row in LF, section 134  
Victor in CT : 9/21/2022 8:50 am : link
It was UNBELIEVABLE! What great night. Judge is so humble. HE barely came out of the dugout.
He will get more than 40 mil a year  
Chip : 9/21/2022 8:51 am : link
50 mil to 60 mil
RE: He will get more than 40 mil a year  
Essex : 9/21/2022 9:01 am : link
In comment 15826016 Chip said:
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50 mil to 60 mil

It was reported the snag was 7 years 245 vs 7 years 280. The price now will be around 7 years 400, if we are lucky. That was a huge mistake by Cashman. Whatever, you can't do anything about that now.
Not sure he gets an extra $15m a year now  
UConn4523 : 9/21/2022 9:09 am : link
and at that price, good luck to whoever pulls the trigger. Would set a bad precedent for the league too.

The reality is this might be the best season he will ever have and you have to pay for his 30+ year old years. No issue with price if he were 25, but he’s not.
RE: It would be great to see Judge set the record for most home runs  
Azul Grande : 9/21/2022 9:19 am : link
In comment 15825936 GeofromNJ said:
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in a 154 game schedule. He has seven games in which to hit at least one more. Too bad 73 is not within reach. I would love to see Bonds record surpassed. By the way, there can be no doubt that Bonds was fully juiced in 2001. The most HRs he hit in any other year was 49.


A couple quick two home run games…. And 70 wouldn’t be out of play.
He’ll resign with the Yankees  
ajr2456 : 9/21/2022 9:23 am : link
For 7 years $315 million
RE: RE: He will get more than 40 mil a year  
section125 : 9/21/2022 9:29 am : link
In comment 15826027 Essex said:
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50 mil to 60 mil


It was reported the snag was 7 years 245 vs 7 years 280. The price now will be around 7 years 400, if we are lucky. That was a huge mistake by Cashman. Whatever, you can't do anything about that now.


Judge and his team will know there is only so much the market will bear. I will not blame him for getting anything he gets, but I think $40 mill is a good target. Maybe the Yanks can go less years, but higher $$ per annum. Same overall numbers, but in a shorter period.

Judge keeps himself in great shape. Whatever the new S&C staff has done tweaking his workout regimine it is working. I think he can be effective until 38.

Realistically, 7 years at $300/$320 mill is my guess.
I am a Braves fan  
Jay on the Island : 9/21/2022 9:33 am : link
but Judge is having a truly historic season. He is hands down the AL MVP and I know I will get shit for this comment but I don't care, Judge will be the true HR king IMO.
RE: He’ll resign with the Yankees  
rich in DC : 9/21/2022 9:42 am : link
In comment 15826051 ajr2456 said:
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For 7 years $315 million


People forget the Yanks have two advantages- neither of which guarantee he will return- but both make it more likely than not.

One- he’s making $20M this year. To go to $40M is only a $20M difference to the Yanks- for all other teams, this is a real $40M payroll increase that likely limits other options.

Keep in mind as well that Chapman and Britton come off the Yanks payroll (there are other FAs too, but their salaries are the highest) at the end of the year. For luxury tax purposes, those two account for $31.5M- allowing the Yanks to go to $40M and still REDUCE their luxury tax for the payroll. That’s a major advantage.

Two- he will certainly get a QO. That hurts many teams ability to pursue giving out a contract that big AND giving up their second highest pick. The Yanks don’t have to give up anything to sign him and as noted above, take a smaller payroll hit.

In the end, I suspect that this will be an 8 year deal for a minimum of $40M. However, I would also not be surprised if it is a frontloaded deal. For luxury tax purposes, it remains $40M per over the life of the deal for the Yanks, but the actual cost goes down over time while the luxury tax limit will likely continue to rise.

The reason for a frontloaded deal is also due to the new CBA. If a player is traded during the life of a deal, the receiving team’s luxury bill is based on the remaining money left on the deal. In the past (like with the Stanton deal), it was based on the annual value of the deal when signed- thus Stanton’s luxury tax bill for the Yanks is only $22M ($25M minus the $3M per the Marlins kicked in) power year.

If the Yanks frontloaded the deal and then traded Judge when he’s 37 or 38, the new team would not be hit with a $40M luxury tax hit, but what remains. If frontloaded, the deal could be in the $20M something per year.

I would also note that the expectations that Judge would not be able to play out the whole deal might be misguided. We are too used to seeing the roided up sluggers break down in their mid-30s. I suspect that was more of a road side effect than the natural progression of time. For example, many years ago, Frank Howard played into his late 30s. However, Howard was never the athlete Judge is and wasn’t as good for an extended time as Judge is. Howard’s prime years were really about 5 years long. Judge might not be an OF by the end of the deal and might be a DH- but he’d still be effective as long as he stays healthy.
RE: RE: RE: He will get more than 40 mil a year  
Essex : 9/21/2022 9:47 am : link
In comment 15826056 section125 said:
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50 mil to 60 mil


It was reported the snag was 7 years 245 vs 7 years 280. The price now will be around 7 years 400, if we are lucky. That was a huge mistake by Cashman. Whatever, you can't do anything about that now.



Judge and his team will know there is only so much the market will bear. I will not blame him for getting anything he gets, but I think $40 mill is a good target. Maybe the Yanks can go less years, but higher $$ per annum. Same overall numbers, but in a shorter period.

Judge keeps himself in great shape. Whatever the new S&C staff has done tweaking his workout regimine it is working. I think he can be effective until 38.

Realistically, 7 years at $300/$320 mill is my guess.

He is going to have every big market suitor after him, this is going to end at 7/370 to 7/400. I promise you Judge will not sign with the Yankees for 300-320 for 7 years without at least testing the market. If the Yankees want to get this done, they are going to have to blow them out of the water.
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section125 : 9/21/2022 9:53 am : link
In comment 15826077 Essex said:
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Realistically, 7 years at $300/$320 mill is my guess.


He is going to have every big market suitor after him, this is going to end at 7/370 to 7/400. I promise you Judge will not sign with the Yankees for 300-320 for 7 years without at least testing the market. If the Yankees want to get this done, they are going to have to blow them out of the water.


Name the teams that can do that...
Dodgers, Mets, Red Sox, Giants(maybe), St Louis(Pujols is retiring), Angels

Dodgers already have a huge payroll - adding another $50 mill???
Mets - not far fetched
Red Sox - would be a coup - and 75 HR with the Green Monster is possible - but they are already sold out every game and only 40k people
Giants - hometown kid goes home
Angels - would they do it with Ohtani and Trout(monster line up)
St Louis - great BB town. He would be King of StL.
maybe Judge is  
Enzo : 9/21/2022 10:03 am : link
the exception and has an extended prime and/or remains productive through his mid to late 30s. I can certainly see him as a 1B/DH type slugger like Thome. But it's also possible his 30s ending up looking like Pujols with the Angels.
RE: maybe Judge is  
Essex : 9/21/2022 10:16 am : link
In comment 15826103 Enzo said:
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the exception and has an extended prime and/or remains productive through his mid to late 30s. I can certainly see him as a 1B/DH type slugger like Thome. But it's also possible his 30s ending up looking like Pujols with the Angels.

That's fine and might be accurate, but you are kidding yourselves that a player of his mangitude, coming off this season will be rational. You think if the Dodgers flame out in the playoffs again, they are going to be rational when they have never turned down a big contract? I doubt it. Whether he is worth it (which I think he is) or not is beside the point, he is going to get a paid on the open market a lot more than people on this thread believe.
pretty amazing.....  
BillKo : 9/21/2022 10:19 am : link
....rolls the dice on his contract year and possible Triple Crown Winner?

That would have to be the best decision ever by a player.
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BillKo : 9/21/2022 10:20 am : link
In comment 15826089 section125 said:
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Realistically, 7 years at $300/$320 mill is my guess.


He is going to have every big market suitor after him, this is going to end at 7/370 to 7/400. I promise you Judge will not sign with the Yankees for 300-320 for 7 years without at least testing the market. If the Yankees want to get this done, they are going to have to blow them out of the water.



Name the teams that can do that...
Dodgers, Mets, Red Sox, Giants(maybe), St Louis(Pujols is retiring), Angels

Dodgers already have a huge payroll - adding another $50 mill???
Mets - not far fetched
Red Sox - would be a coup - and 75 HR with the Green Monster is possible - but they are already sold out every game and only 40k people
Giants - hometown kid goes home
Angels - would they do it with Ohtani and Trout(monster line up)
St Louis - great BB town. He would be King of StL.


How about a trade: Trout to the Yanks for boat load of prospects, and the Angels sign Judge.

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Enzo : 9/21/2022 10:26 am : link
In comment 15826125 Essex said:
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the exception and has an extended prime and/or remains productive through his mid to late 30s. I can certainly see him as a 1B/DH type slugger like Thome. But it's also possible his 30s ending up looking like Pujols with the Angels.


That's fine and might be accurate, but you are kidding yourselves that a player of his mangitude, coming off this season will be rational. You think if the Dodgers flame out in the playoffs again, they are going to be rational when they have never turned down a big contract? I doubt it. Whether he is worth it (which I think he is) or not is beside the point, he is going to get a paid on the open market a lot more than people on this thread believe.

I don't doubt he's going to get a monster contract. And it's certainly possible he's productive well into his 30s. But I think history tells us it's more likely the the back half (if not more) of that deal is going to be ugly.
I doubt this happens  
Everyone Relax : 9/21/2022 10:29 am : link
but I think the best case scenario for both side is a shorter term contract at much higher annual pay. Something like 6 years $300m. I just cant imagine a guy with Judge's build holding up for much more than another 3/4 seasons. He's already 30 after all.
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section125 : 9/21/2022 10:35 am : link
In comment 15826133 BillKo said:
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How about a trade: Trout to the Yanks for boat load of prospects, and the Angels sign Judge.


Mike Trout is a great player that is constantly hurt. If the Angels go for Judge it will be to be with with Trout and Ohtani.
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Everyone Relax : 9/21/2022 10:37 am : link
In comment 15826163 section125 said:
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How about a trade: Trout to the Yanks for boat load of prospects, and the Angels sign Judge.




Mike Trout is a great player that is constantly hurt. If the Angels go for Judge it will be to be with with Trout and Ohtani.


Angels wouldnt trade Ohtani for Judge straight up, or theyd be stupid to.
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BillKo : 9/21/2022 10:38 am : link
In comment 15826163 section125 said:
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How about a trade: Trout to the Yanks for boat load of prospects, and the Angels sign Judge.




Mike Trout is a great player that is constantly hurt. If the Angels go for Judge it will be to be with with Trout and Ohtani.


That's a ton of payroll, hence the trade plus the Angels get what they don't have now: additional players particularly relief pitching and another starter.

I think Judge has been hurt more than Trout, no?
Honestly, the only teams I think he might leave for are the Giants and  
Greg from LI : 9/21/2022 10:39 am : link
the Mets. Boston is theoretically possible, but if they traded a 26 year old homegrown superstar like Betts rather than pay him, it seems unlikely that they'd break the bank for Judge. Plus, they're saddled with Martinez for a while and will have Bogaerts and Devers hitting FA soon. The Dodgers, I don't know, it just doesn't seem feasible that they could afford him too. The Cardinals, unless I'm mistaken, have never signed anyone to a truly gargantuan contract before. Doesn't seem like their style.

The Mets absolutely would do it. They have the bankroll, a team playing great ball already, it's still NY so his life would be mostly unchanged. The Giants are his childhood team, back home in NoCal, a team that was really good last year and figures to be good again if they can add a big star.
and the Angels are a joke of an organization  
Greg from LI : 9/21/2022 10:39 am : link
No one who wants to win would sign there.
RE: and the Angels are a joke of an organization  
BillKo : 9/21/2022 10:43 am : link
In comment 15826173 Greg from LI said:
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No one who wants to win would sign there.


Will be getting new ownership.

Money talks...............

Anyway, I have been a strong proponent of the Angels dealing Trout for young prospects. He's been there how long and they've won how many playoff games?

How many dominant years does he have left, esp with injuries starting to show now.
But the problem is that it only takes one  
Essex : 9/21/2022 10:44 am : link
and the Yankees only advantage left is to sign him before he gets to market after the season. To do that, they will have to blow him away. If not, he goes to market and one of those teams does it, he is gone. I think if he gets to market, he is gone.
to me  
bigbluehoya : 9/21/2022 10:53 am : link
$350M over 7 years should make all parties happy, if he wants to be here. And no fucking around with deferred money or any of that bullshit.

Largest contract in the history of the sport.
Largest AAV in the history of the sport, and really dwarving anyone else on a long term deal.

Of course, it's a game of maximizing. And they probably rake you over the coals for that 8th year to get to the unprecedented 4-handle on total size.

And if he won't take $400/8 years from the greatest franchise in the history of the game, he just doesn't like living here.
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Greg from LI : 9/21/2022 11:09 am : link
In comment 15826180 Essex said:
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and the Yankees only advantage left is to sign him before he gets to market after the season. To do that, they will have to blow him away. If not, he goes to market and one of those teams does it, he is gone. I think if he gets to market, he is gone.


I believe that, if the money is at least roughly equivalent, he'll stay a Yankee. The Yankees can match anyone's offer. As much as Hal doesn't want to pay up, letting him leave would be such a disaster both from a PR standpoint and a baseball standpoint that I truly can't believe that they wouldn't give him whatever they have to in order to retain him. I mean, what's plan B? There isn't one. They'll trade away some of their vets to help offset the cost and you'll see young guys like Peraza and Cabrera taking their places as starters. Maybe even Volpe at some point, though 2024 is more likely.
RE: RE: and the Angels are a joke of an organization  
Greg from LI : 9/21/2022 11:12 am : link
In comment 15826178 BillKo said:
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Will be getting new ownership.



Which represents a total question mark. Will they have new owners in place by the time free agency begins? Even if they do, would Judge be willing to put his faith in whoever it is? Yeah, money talks, but Judge is getting paid wherever he goes. Uncertain ownership was the biggest reason Bill Belichick refused to take the Jets' HC job in 2000.
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section125 : 9/21/2022 11:16 am : link
In comment 15826170 BillKo said:
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How about a trade: Trout to the Yanks for boat load of prospects, and the Angels sign Judge.




Mike Trout is a great player that is constantly hurt. If the Angels go for Judge it will be to be with with Trout and Ohtani.



That's a ton of payroll, hence the trade plus the Angels get what they don't have now: additional players particularly relief pitching and another starter.

I think Judge has been hurt more than Trout, no?


Trout has been MLB longer, so more chances, but has not played a full season since 2016(2018 was 140 games) after being an iron man for 5 or 6 years. Only 101 games this year.
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section125 : 9/21/2022 11:19 am : link
In comment 15826178 BillKo said:
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No one who wants to win would sign there.



Will be getting new ownership.

Money talks...............

Anyway, I have been a strong proponent of the Angels dealing Trout for young prospects. He's been there how long and they've won how many playoff games?

How many dominant years does he have left, esp with injuries starting to show now.


What injuries starting to show? He had a broken wrist on a HBP and a undiagnosed collapsed lung - six months(?) in a freak accident diving for a ball. They have solved the oblique problem.
9 years and $350 million.  
Kmed6000 : 9/21/2022 11:27 am : link
He's going to test the market and someone is going to throw silly money at Judge. It's going to take a lot of years and a lot of AAV.
IMO, there is no change Judge goes to the mets.  
Kmed6000 : 9/21/2022 11:29 am : link
None.
RE: IMO, there is no change Judge goes to the mets.  
Greg from LI : 9/21/2022 11:32 am : link
In comment 15826275 Kmed6000 said:
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None.


Why not? They have plenty of money to throw around and a competitive team.
RE: 9 years and $350 million.  
Essex : 9/21/2022 12:02 pm : link
In comment 15826274 Kmed6000 said:
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He's going to test the market and someone is going to throw silly money at Judge. It's going to take a lot of years and a lot of AAV.


He is not signing for under 40 AAV when he can easily get the same money for 7 years. I would not even want to know what a 9 year or 10 year contract with Judge would look like.
RE: RE: 9 years and $350 million.  
section125 : 9/21/2022 12:09 pm : link
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He's going to test the market and someone is going to throw silly money at Judge. It's going to take a lot of years and a lot of AAV.



He is not signing for under 40 AAV when he can easily get the same money for 7 years. I would not even want to know what a 9 year or 10 year contract with Judge would look like.


Judge is a very smart guy. Maybe he is not looking to spend the next 8-10 years living out of a suitcase. Just married. Will be starting a family. Maybe by 38 he will walk away to be home with kids.
Maybe he wants 500 Hrs - will need about 280 more that would be 40 /year for 7 years...

Perhaps 7/$350 gets it done....
RE: RE: IMO, there is no change Judge goes to the mets.  
Kmed6000 : 9/21/2022 12:09 pm : link
In comment 15826278 Greg from LI said:
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Why not? They have plenty of money to throw around and a competitive team.


A. I believe the Yankees will match any offer he gets.
B. I don't see Judge as the kind of guy that wants to make half of a city hate him. I don't see him sticking it to Yankee fans like that. I can see the west coast, but not the mets.
RE: RE: 9 years and $350 million.  
Kmed6000 : 9/21/2022 12:10 pm : link
In comment 15826318 Essex said:
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He's going to test the market and someone is going to throw silly money at Judge. It's going to take a lot of years and a lot of AAV.



He is not signing for under 40 AAV when he can easily get the same money for 7 years. I would not even want to know what a 9 year or 10 year contract with Judge would look like.


Well, you're going to find out.
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