Today is the first Day Aaron Judge leads in all categories for the Triple Crown!! He took the BA average lead last night with his historic nonjuiced 60th HR and tied the Babe.
I took alot of heat in June for predicting he had a chance to win the TC. This is an incredilbe acheivement to witness in all of sports.
When he hits 62, it will be an incredible day.
I just hope Aaron resigns with Yankees. I hope the Yankees open the purse for him.
Dodgers are a great team but that NL division is weak IMO right now
Judge has the 1000yard stare of a hitter right now if you watch him over the last month. Last night he looked possessed at the plate and is totally locked in. This is an incredible thing to see and understand if you are a baseball junkie.
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and wins the Triple Crown.
Judge has the 1000yard stare of a hitter right now if you watch him over the last month. Last night he looked possessed at the plate and is totally locked in. This is an incredible thing to see and understand if you are a baseball junkie.
Yup. My wife, who doesn’t follow baseball too much, said during his last AB last night he looked like the calmest guy in the stadium
62 is a huge mark to shoot for. I don’t care about 73 or comparing him to the steroid era guys. 62 is enough for me. The Triple Crown is an awesome goal to shoot for too
What an amazing season. The fact he’s as likable a pro athlete as they come makes it even better
Yes!! I would, It was a terrible era for baseball
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are you going to also ask that the Yankees give up their 3-4 championships they won during the steroid era?
Yes!! I would, It was a terrible era for baseball
Hate to break it to you, Marty, but players are still using PEDs. Tatis, one of the biggest stars in the game, just got busted.
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are you going to also ask that the Yankees give up their 3-4 championships they won during the steroid era?
Yes!! I would, It was a terrible era for baseball
Hate to break it to you, Marty, but players are still using PEDs. Tatis, one of the biggest stars in the game, just got busted.
Correct, PED do exist. However after many painful years, MLB has controls and penalties in place now to mitigate the risk. Tatis will not be playing for a long time.
When he hits 62, it will be an incredible day.
I just hope Aaron resigns with Yankees. I hope the Yankees open the purse for him.
When Ruth did it, he had more HRs than any other TEAM in the league, so let's relax with the superlatives.
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are you going to also ask that the Yankees give up their 3-4 championships they won during the steroid era?
Yes!! I would, It was a terrible era for baseball
Hate to break it to you, Marty, but players are still using PEDs. Tatis, one of the biggest stars in the game, just got busted.
Correct, PED do exist. However after many painful years, MLB has controls and penalties in place now to mitigate the risk. Tatis will not be playing for a long time.
Oh stop with the "many painful years" nonsense. First of all, the two generations before the steroid era were full of amphetamines (also a PED), and I'm sure those are still in the game as well.
But beyond that, the pearl-clutching over steroids is ridiculous. If that's what you consider "many painful years" you must be very fortunate in life.
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would make Judge the greatest single season player of all time.
When he hits 62, it will be an incredible day.
I just hope Aaron resigns with Yankees. I hope the Yankees open the purse for him.
When Ruth did it, he had more HRs than any other TEAM in the league, so let's relax with the superlatives.
The league was alot smaller back and Ruth never won a Triple Crown, Can't really compare the Ruth Era to the modern ear for many reasons, but if Judge pulls this off, He will be the greatest baseball player in a single season for the 21 century.
If you look at RBI and BA versus other periods he wouldn't even be in the top 10 in most years in history.
I am not a Yankee fan at all but you have to be amazed at how locked in he is at this moment.
Going to be sad for Yankee when he is in a Giants uniform next year.
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would make Judge the greatest single season player of all time.
When he hits 62, it will be an incredible day.
I just hope Aaron resigns with Yankees. I hope the Yankees open the purse for him.
When Ruth did it, he had more HRs than any other TEAM in the league, so let's relax with the superlatives.
The league was alot smaller back and Ruth never won a Triple Crown, Can't really compare the Ruth Era to the modern ear for many reasons, but if Judge pulls this off, He will be the greatest baseball player in a single season for the 21 century.
Gatorade seems to be winning this argument. You've already gone from Judge having the greatest single season of all time to the past 22 years.
Bonds '01 was better. His '02, '03, and '04, his OPS were significantly higher than Judge's. Bonds was IBBed way more in those three seasons than Judge ever was. For some reason, pitchers inexplicably pitch to Judge. I get it with Stanton back. But when Stanton was injured, pitchers were still pitching to Judge when he was the only Yankee hitting.
I read one stat that Judge has as many IBBs this year as Bonds once did in an 11 game span.
Judge's year this year is a better year than Trout has ever had IMO, which is remarkable. Ohtani may have had a better year last year, though it's hard to compare a two-way player. 46 HRs with a .965 OPS, plus 9-2 with a 3.18 ERA.
You can simply say Judge is having the best year since Bonds, and it's a historically remarkable season, and probably an accurate statement. I don't know why you have to get into the superlatives/discounting an entirety of baseball history. Ted Williams alone had 8 seasons with a higher OPS than Judge has now. As mentioned above, nobody can be compared with Ruth, when you consider what he did vs his peers.
They are sham records that should be stricken, IMO.
Fuck those guys.
He's got Cash and Hal over a fucking barrel and he's earned it.
The league was alot smaller back and Ruth never won a Triple Crown, Can't really compare the Ruth Era to the modern ear for many reasons, but if Judge pulls this off, He will be the greatest baseball player in a single season for the 21 century.
Ruth may never have had a triple crown but has a lifetime .342 BA with 714 hrs...
Gehrig behind him was cleaning up RBIs like they were popcorn - he had a .340 career BA and averaged 117 RBIs - averaged!
Now, my mother lived in the Bronx and was a baseball nut. She said there were no real relievers and starters would just get bombed if they had a bad day - hence huge BAs and RBI totals.
The league was segregated to and that is a huge number of MLB players and arms not playing then that are playing now.
He's got Cash and Hal over a fucking barrel and he's earned it.
Honestly I think he turned it down not only because he felt it was too low but I really think he wants out of NY. I know that's hard to hear but I think he wants to go back to the west coast and get equal money out there.
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In comment 15826091 MartyNJ1969 said:
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would make Judge the greatest single season player of all time.
When he hits 62, it will be an incredible day.
I just hope Aaron resigns with Yankees. I hope the Yankees open the purse for him.
When Ruth did it, he had more HRs than any other TEAM in the league, so let's relax with the superlatives.
The league was alot smaller back and Ruth never won a Triple Crown, Can't really compare the Ruth Era to the modern ear for many reasons, but if Judge pulls this off, He will be the greatest baseball player in a single season for the 21 century.
Gatorade seems to be winning this argument. You've already gone from Judge having the greatest single season of all time to the past 22 years.
I was being gracious to Gatorade by just mentioning the 21 century, Judge is having the greatest season by any player since Lou Gehrig TC in 1934-
Judge is currently: AVG .316. 1st ; HR. 60. 1st ; RBI. 128. 1st ; OPS. 1.123. 1st. (yes, he is first in OPS too!!)
Gehrig 1934 TC stats: AVG 363, 49 HR, and 165 RBI, (The average and RBI's in incredible).
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then put together a walk year like this? I can't remember anything like what Judge has done this year.
He's got Cash and Hal over a fucking barrel and he's earned it.
Honestly I think he turned it down not only because he felt it was too low but I really think he wants out of NY. I know that's hard to hear but I think he wants to go back to the west coast and get equal money out there.
I believe Steve Garvey turned down a large contract from his era to go to the Padres from Dodgers. I have to look that up. Roger Clemens got a large Contract from toronto to leave the Red Sox
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then put together a walk year like this? I can't remember anything like what Judge has done this year.
He's got Cash and Hal over a fucking barrel and he's earned it.
Honestly I think he turned it down not only because he felt it was too low but I really think he wants out of NY. I know that's hard to hear but I think he wants to go back to the west coast and get equal money out there.
I believe Steve Garvey turned down a large contract from his era to go to the Padres from Dodgers. I have to look that up. Roger Clemens got a large Contract from toronto to leave the Red Sox
Also the whole Lebron James Tv announcement contract deal happened in the NBA. But the basketball players are always turning down contract from there default team to go somewhere else.
They are sham records that should be stricken, IMO.
Fuck those guys.
I agree with your sentiment, those numbers are bastardize and an abomination to the sport.
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are you going to also ask that the Yankees give up their 3-4 championships they won during the steroid era?
Yes!! I would, It was a terrible era for baseball
Hate to break it to you, Marty, but players are still using PEDs. Tatis, one of the biggest stars in the game, just got busted.
Correct, PED do exist. However after many painful years, MLB has controls and penalties in place now to mitigate the risk. Tatis will not be playing for a long time.
Oh stop with the "many painful years" nonsense. First of all, the two generations before the steroid era were full of amphetamines (also a PED), and I'm sure those are still in the game as well.
But beyond that, the pearl-clutching over steroids is ridiculous. If that's what you consider "many painful years" you must be very fortunate in life.
You have to admit, over the last 10 years the new PED controls in MLB are working. The stat numbers have normalized. The normalization that is occuring now only legitimizes what Judge is doing now.
And yes, I am fortunate, gracious and humble in life to have the opportunity to be standing upright and watch baseball right now. Every day is a gift.
Apples to Oranges. This literally makes no sense. The reason Bonds has an asterisk (to some) is because the players he’s being compared to in this case, Maris, weren’t using PEDs. Your argument only makes sense if you believe the Yankees back then we’re the only team with PED users while every other team was clean as a whistle. And we all know that’s not the case…
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then put together a walk year like this? I can't remember anything like what Judge has done this year.
He's got Cash and Hal over a fucking barrel and he's earned it.
Honestly I think he turned it down not only because he felt it was too low but I really think he wants out of NY. I know that's hard to hear but I think he wants to go back to the west coast and get equal money out there.
Oh, I think that's right. But now I think that the budget Boss will have little choice but to at least *try* to outbid SF or whatever other CA team wants to throw money at him. The NY media will find out what the Yanks offer is and if it's the same or less than, say SF Giants, the fan base will absolutely destroy Hal. They made him an offer that was big, but going to be less than his market value - easy for him to say no to. And then he went and did THIS. Wow.
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are you going to also ask that the Yankees give up their 3-4 championships they won during the steroid era?
Apples to Oranges. This literally makes no sense. The reason Bonds has an asterisk (to some) is because the players he’s being compared to in this case, Maris, weren’t using PEDs. Your argument only makes sense if you believe the Yankees back then we’re the only team with PED users while every other team was clean as a whistle. And we all know that’s not the case…
And, yet you act like Bonds wasn't the only player who wasn't clean as a whistle, and wasn't hitting against pitchers who were also using...
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are you going to also ask that the Yankees give up their 3-4 championships they won during the steroid era?
Apples to Oranges. This literally makes no sense. The reason Bonds has an asterisk (to some) is because the players he’s being compared to in this case, Maris, weren’t using PEDs. Your argument only makes sense if you believe the Yankees back then we’re the only team with PED users while every other team was clean as a whistle. And we all know that’s not the case…
Those other players were ABSOLUTELY using PEDs. Maris definitely used PEDs. They weren't using steroids, but they were 100% using the PEDs of their era (most notably amphetamines).
Not all PEDs are steroids.
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are you going to also ask that the Yankees give up their 3-4 championships they won during the steroid era?
Apples to Oranges. This literally makes no sense. The reason Bonds has an asterisk (to some) is because the players he’s being compared to in this case, Maris, weren’t using PEDs. Your argument only makes sense if you believe the Yankees back then we’re the only team with PED users while every other team was clean as a whistle. And we all know that’s not the case…
And, yet you act like Bonds wasn't the only player who wasn't clean as a whistle, and wasn't hitting against pitchers who were also using...
Your logic sucks. Bonds doesn’t have the asterisk because everyone thinks he’s the only one using during that time. He has the asterisk because his record was PED enhanced while the guy that had the record was not. Why is this so fucking hard to grasp? We are talking about his record versus someone else who had the record before he broke it. That’s the comparison. Bonds versus Maris.
More like, you're fortunate enough in your life to have suffered so little pain that somehow you can - with a straight face - refer to baseball's steroid era as "many painful years."
How much pain did those years actually cause you?
Judge is currently: AVG .316. 1st ; HR. 60. 1st ; RBI. 128. 1st ; OPS. 1.123. 1st. (yes, he is first in OPS too!!)
Gehrig 1934 TC stats: AVG 363, 49 HR, and 165 RBI, (The average and RBI's in incredible).
You can spare me your graciousness.
Barry Bonds's seasons did happen. They do count. And they were in another stratosphere compared to what Judge is doing this year, without taking anything away from Judge.
But keep clutching those PED pearls.
Away: 30 HR -- 1.148 OPS (224 OPS+)
I know most Yankees fans wouldn't care but if Judge's Home/Away HR ratio was something like 37/23, we'd be hearing "Little League Ballpark" nonsense. Judge actually hitting better on the road shuts down any possible Yankee Stadium argument.
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are you going to also ask that the Yankees give up their 3-4 championships they won during the steroid era?
Apples to Oranges. This literally makes no sense. The reason Bonds has an asterisk (to some) is because the players he’s being compared to in this case, Maris, weren’t using PEDs. Your argument only makes sense if you believe the Yankees back then we’re the only team with PED users while every other team was clean as a whistle. And we all know that’s not the case…
Those other players were ABSOLUTELY using PEDs. Maris definitely used PEDs. They weren't using steroids, but they were 100% using the PEDs of their era (most notably amphetamines).
Not all PEDs are steroids.
It’s possible. Nothing would surprise me. But I don’t think “absolutely” and “definitely” mean what you think they do…
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are you going to also ask that the Yankees give up their 3-4 championships they won during the steroid era?
Apples to Oranges. This literally makes no sense. The reason Bonds has an asterisk (to some) is because the players he’s being compared to in this case, Maris, weren’t using PEDs. Your argument only makes sense if you believe the Yankees back then we’re the only team with PED users while every other team was clean as a whistle. And we all know that’s not the case…
Those other players were ABSOLUTELY using PEDs. Maris definitely used PEDs. They weren't using steroids, but they were 100% using the PEDs of their era (most notably amphetamines).
Not all PEDs are steroids.
It’s possible. Nothing would surprise me. But I don’t think “absolutely” and “definitely” mean what you think they do…
They mean precisely what I think they do.
He had a season where he hit .362 with a .609 OBP!! He got on base more than 60% of the times he came to the plate. That's just insane. His OPS that season was 1.422. Just another level and he was facing plenty of pitchers that were using too.
Those seasons happened, I witnessed them in amazement and it was like nothing I will probably ever see again in baseball.
2004 RISP: 187 PA, 111 BB, 3 SO (.394/.754/.944 -- 337 OPS+)
I mean, what the fuck is that lol? He got on base 75% of the time when men were already in scoring position! And that BB/SO ratio is a joke.
The fact that Judge is even approaching those kind of numbers today is amazing.
The Roid years packed on 50 pounds of muscle and rage.
Hummm, no.
But I'll keep an open mind and be vising Cooperstown this winter and look forward to seeing his plaque.
The Roid years packed on 50 pounds of muscle and rage.
I think that's overly simplistic. There are quite a few steroids for which the primary (and in some cases, sole) benefit is recovery time, not muscle growth.
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the daily aches and pains.
The Roid years packed on 50 pounds of muscle and rage.
I think that's overly simplistic. There are quite a few steroids for which the primary (and in some cases, sole) benefit is recovery time, not muscle growth.
See Andy Pettitte as example number 1
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And yes, I am fortunate, gracious and humble in life to have the opportunity to be standing upright and watch baseball right now. Every day is a gift.
More like, you're fortunate enough in your life to have suffered so little pain that somehow you can - with a straight face - refer to baseball's steroid era as "many painful years."
How much pain did those years actually cause you?
Answer: Alot of emotional pain I went through as new designer PED drugs were rampantly being used as expressed by Jose Canseco in his book. The new designer PED drugs basically allowed these athletes to break all the old major records (except for the 56 hitting streak). My lovable Yankee held records by Maris and Ruth were broken because it did not keep up with current drug policy and allowed the behavior to proliferatevwhich hurt the sport in the end until proper controls were put in place. Seeing my Yankees lose those records to cheaters was just gut wrenching and with what Judge is doing will cure my pain.
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the daily aches and pains.
The Roid years packed on 50 pounds of muscle and rage.
I think that's overly simplistic. There are quite a few steroids for which the primary (and in some cases, sole) benefit is recovery time, not muscle growth.
Not the ones that turn singles hitters into HR cmamps. You know, like the ones being discussed.
I will see myself out.
Hummm, no.
But I'll keep an open mind and be vising Cooperstown this winter and look forward to seeing his plaque.
Yeah, like huge Mets fan Greg from LI, who has said the most glowing things about Bonds on this thread (and he is completely correct).
The whole thing is a farce. There are players in the HOF that used PEDs from the steroids era, managers who benefitted from PED users, a commish who did, and there are players from before the era that used PEDs. Get over it. Nobody knows who is or isn't using. Judge could have used PEDs. Alonso could be too, if you think it's a Yankee specific thing.
Enjoy what Bonds did. Enjoy what Judge is doing. And get over yourself.