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NFT: Aaron Judge officially leads in all categories Triple !!!

MartyNJ1969 : 9/21/2022 9:31 am
Today is the first Day Aaron Judge leads in all categories for the Triple Crown!! He took the BA average lead last night with his historic nonjuiced 60th HR and tied the Babe.

I took alot of heat in June for predicting he had a chance to win the TC. This is an incredilbe acheivement to witness in all of sports.
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RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: for Yankee fans wanting to pretend Bonds 73 HR season never happened  
Mad Mike : 9/21/2022 1:36 pm : link
In comment 15826443 MartyNJ1969 said:
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Seeing my Yankees lose those records to cheaters was just gut wrenching and with what Judge is doing will cure my pain.

I think you need to reevaluate how you experienc pain.
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: for Yankee fans wanting to pretend Bonds 73 HR season never happened  
KDavies : 9/21/2022 1:36 pm : link
In comment 15826443 MartyNJ1969 said:
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And yes, I am fortunate, gracious and humble in life to have the opportunity to be standing upright and watch baseball right now. Every day is a gift.


More like, you're fortunate enough in your life to have suffered so little pain that somehow you can - with a straight face - refer to baseball's steroid era as "many painful years."

How much pain did those years actually cause you?



Answer: Alot of emotional pain I went through as new designer PED drugs were rampantly being used as expressed by Jose Canseco in his book. The new designer PED drugs basically allowed these athletes to break all the old major records (except for the 56 hitting streak). My lovable Yankee held records by Maris and Ruth were broken because it did not keep up with current drug policy and allowed the behavior to proliferatevwhich hurt the sport in the end until proper controls were put in place. Seeing my Yankees lose those records to cheaters was just gut wrenching and with what Judge is doing will cure my pain.


Your beloved Mickey Mantle used PEDs. Hank Aaron did as well. Plenty of older HOFers did
Love to see it and the jealousy amongst fans that it creates.  
Dave in Hoboken : 9/21/2022 1:38 pm : link
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He's having a great year  
Mike from Ohio : 9/21/2022 1:38 pm : link
but Home Run King? The record is 73, not 61. You can call him the Home Run King if you like but then that title is really just an opinion and any one of a number people have a legit claim to it.
RE: Love to see it and the jealousy amongst fans that it creates.  
KDavies : 9/21/2022 1:39 pm : link
In comment 15826460 Dave in Hoboken said:
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Yeah, seems a lot of jealousy towards Bonds....
RE: RE: Love to see it and the jealousy amongst fans that it creates.  
Dave in Hoboken : 9/21/2022 1:42 pm : link
In comment 15826462 KDavies said:
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Yeah, seems a lot of jealousy towards Bonds....


No need to be so angry and jealous on such a beautiful day, man. It's gonna be okay.
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: for Yankee fans wanting to pretend Bonds 73 HR season never happened  
Gatorade Dunk : 9/21/2022 2:01 pm : link
In comment 15826443 MartyNJ1969 said:
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And yes, I am fortunate, gracious and humble in life to have the opportunity to be standing upright and watch baseball right now. Every day is a gift.


More like, you're fortunate enough in your life to have suffered so little pain that somehow you can - with a straight face - refer to baseball's steroid era as "many painful years."

How much pain did those years actually cause you?



Answer: Alot of emotional pain I went through as new designer PED drugs were rampantly being used as expressed by Jose Canseco in his book. The new designer PED drugs basically allowed these athletes to break all the old major records (except for the 56 hitting streak). My lovable Yankee held records by Maris and Ruth were broken because it did not keep up with current drug policy and allowed the behavior to proliferatevwhich hurt the sport in the end until proper controls were put in place. Seeing my Yankees lose those records to cheaters was just gut wrenching and with what Judge is doing will cure my pain.

You experience emotional pain because of drugs and supplements that grown men were taking to improve their performance at their own jobs? Did you also cry every time one of your coworkers topped off their cup of coffee?

Somehow I think you're being dramatic.
Wonder what his #61 and #62 balls will fetch  
OBJ_AllDay : 9/21/2022 2:07 pm : link
dollar wise. Somebody will be walking out of the ballpark a lot wealthier!
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: for Yankee fans wanting to pretend Bonds 73 HR season never happened  
Gatorade Dunk : 9/21/2022 2:10 pm : link
In comment 15826443 MartyNJ1969 said:
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And yes, I am fortunate, gracious and humble in life to have the opportunity to be standing upright and watch baseball right now. Every day is a gift.


More like, you're fortunate enough in your life to have suffered so little pain that somehow you can - with a straight face - refer to baseball's steroid era as "many painful years."

How much pain did those years actually cause you?



Answer: Alot of emotional pain I went through as new designer PED drugs were rampantly being used as expressed by Jose Canseco in his book. The new designer PED drugs basically allowed these athletes to break all the old major records (except for the 56 hitting streak). My lovable Yankee held records by Maris and Ruth were broken because it did not keep up with current drug policy and allowed the behavior to proliferatevwhich hurt the sport in the end until proper controls were put in place. Seeing my Yankees lose those records to cheaters was just gut wrenching and with what Judge is doing will cure my pain.

This one might push you over the edge, Marty...
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In 1889, pitcher Pud Galvin drank monkey testosterone. Mickey Mantle was forced out of part of the '61 pennant race by an infection he got from the needle of a quack doctor who shot him up with a concoction of steroids and amphetamine.

Is your whole world crumbling right now?

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Lol @ this thread devolving to Bonds comps and people raising OBP  
AJ23 : 9/21/2022 2:14 pm : link
Bonds' numbers are cheat code level, but the game was completely different from 01-05.... really from 92-2010.

That's in part because of steroids, but also because there was no defense then like there is today. League-wide, batting numbers are way down because of the way pitchers pitch and defenses defend.

1961: .258 AVG, 4.53 R/G
2004: .264 AVG, 4.81 R/G
2022: .243 AVG, 4.3 R/G

Kmed comparing OBPs of Bonds & Judge is stupid. OBP is calculated by taking the total number of hits, walks, and hit-by pitches and dividing it by the total number of plate appearances. Bonds had 120 IBBs in the year he had a .609 OBP, and that doesn't count the many times he was pitched around. Judge has only been 17 IBBs this year. Idiotic.
RE: Lol @ this thread devolving to Bonds comps and people raising OBP  
KDavies : 9/21/2022 2:17 pm : link
In comment 15826504 AJ23 said:
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Bonds' numbers are cheat code level, but the game was completely different from 01-05.... really from 92-2010.

That's in part because of steroids, but also because there was no defense then like there is today. League-wide, batting numbers are way down because of the way pitchers pitch and defenses defend.

1961: .258 AVG, 4.53 R/G
2004: .264 AVG, 4.81 R/G
2022: .243 AVG, 4.3 R/G

Kmed comparing OBPs of Bonds & Judge is stupid. OBP is calculated by taking the total number of hits, walks, and hit-by pitches and dividing it by the total number of plate appearances. Bonds had 120 IBBs in the year he had a .609 OBP, and that doesn't count the many times he was pitched around. Judge has only been 17 IBBs this year. Idiotic.


It is extremely relevant in understanding how good Bonds was. The 73 HR season, he walked 177 times. The bat was taken out of Bonds' hands quite often.
RE: RE: RE: The Amph years got you through......  
Gatorade Dunk : 9/21/2022 2:19 pm : link
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the daily aches and pains.
The Roid years packed on 50 pounds of muscle and rage.


I think that's overly simplistic. There are quite a few steroids for which the primary (and in some cases, sole) benefit is recovery time, not muscle growth.




Not the ones that turn singles hitters into HR cmamps. You know, like the ones being discussed.

Barry Bonds and Mark McGwire were singles hitters?
RE: Lol @ this thread devolving to Bonds comps and people raising OBP  
Kmed6000 : 9/21/2022 2:24 pm : link
In comment 15826504 AJ23 said:
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Bonds' numbers are cheat code level, but the game was completely different from 01-05.... really from 92-2010.

That's in part because of steroids, but also because there was no defense then like there is today. League-wide, batting numbers are way down because of the way pitchers pitch and defenses defend.

1961: .258 AVG, 4.53 R/G
2004: .264 AVG, 4.81 R/G
2022: .243 AVG, 4.3 R/G

Kmed comparing OBPs of Bonds & Judge is stupid. OBP is calculated by taking the total number of hits, walks, and hit-by pitches and dividing it by the total number of plate appearances. Bonds had 120 IBBs in the year he had a .609 OBP, and that doesn't count the many times he was pitched around. Judge has only been 17 IBBs this year. Idiotic.


Just curious, but when did I even remotely compare Judge to Bonds? Did you imagine that so you can call me stupid? Never happened, I accept your apology.
Barry Bonds was absolutely  
section125 : 9/21/2022 2:36 pm : link
an incredible talent before the roids. The most important factor is the recovery time vs the strength. Bonds had a couple season with 30+ hrs by the all star break and then ended up at high 40s. Dog days of summer robbed him(and every other player) of strength and fitness. Except for 2001, he never hit more than 49 hrs - but was consistently high 30 and 40s. He did not get to 762 HRs off of one year of 73.

With the steroids or HGH he almost never broke down or got fatigued, hence he could continue to feast on pitchers that were slowing down in August and September from injury and fatigue. And yes some pitchers were taking helpful products too. But that is how he broke the record. HGH is not going to help you barrel up a pitch, that was his natural talent - but it keeps you healthy enough to be able to continue to barrel them up through the year. Bonds had wonderful hand eye coordination to begin with. So without fatigue and injury and some added strength he basically became Superman vs mere mortals - just like Sosa and McGuire.

My guess is he would have still hit 600 HRs without HGH. I think the same thing with A-Rod.
RE: that was Bonds' entire point  
Danny Kanell : 9/21/2022 2:40 pm : link
In comment 15826409 Greg from LI said:
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he was pissed after 1998 because inferior players like McGwire and Sosa were the toast of baseball solely due to PED-fueled homers, so Bonds decided to show them what he could do on PEDs. That's why I think keeping him out of the HOF is stupid - he was an easy HOFer before he ever did roids, and none of the other roided up guys did anything remotely close to what he did. That's how damned good Barry Bonds was, clean, PEDs, whatever. Best ballplayer of my lifetime.


Good post and agree.
RE: RE: that was Bonds' entire point  
section125 : 9/21/2022 2:48 pm : link
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he was pissed after 1998 because inferior players like McGwire and Sosa were the toast of baseball solely due to PED-fueled homers, so Bonds decided to show them what he could do on PEDs. That's why I think keeping him out of the HOF is stupid - he was an easy HOFer before he ever did roids, and none of the other roided up guys did anything remotely close to what he did. That's how damned good Barry Bonds was, clean, PEDs, whatever. Best ballplayer of my lifetime.



Good post and agree.


And A-Rod was a better player than Bonds. Both shot themselves in the foot.
RE: RE: Lol @ this thread devolving to Bonds comps and people raising OBP  
AJ23 : 9/21/2022 3:29 pm : link
In comment 15826517 Kmed6000 said:
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Bonds' numbers are cheat code level, but the game was completely different from 01-05.... really from 92-2010.

That's in part because of steroids, but also because there was no defense then like there is today. League-wide, batting numbers are way down because of the way pitchers pitch and defenses defend.

1961: .258 AVG, 4.53 R/G
2004: .264 AVG, 4.81 R/G
2022: .243 AVG, 4.3 R/G

Kmed comparing OBPs of Bonds & Judge is stupid. OBP is calculated by taking the total number of hits, walks, and hit-by pitches and dividing it by the total number of plate appearances. Bonds had 120 IBBs in the year he had a .609 OBP, and that doesn't count the many times he was pitched around. Judge has only been 17 IBBs this year. Idiotic.



Just curious, but when did I even remotely compare Judge to Bonds? Did you imagine that so you can call me stupid? Never happened, I accept your apology.


You are on a thread about Judge, you cited OBP and you are an idiot. All things can be true.
Ok then,  
Kmed6000 : 9/21/2022 3:37 pm : link
good talk.
RE: Barry Bonds was absolutely  
djm : 9/21/2022 3:57 pm : link
In comment 15826525 section125 said:
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an incredible talent before the roids. The most important factor is the recovery time vs the strength. Bonds had a couple season with 30+ hrs by the all star break and then ended up at high 40s. Dog days of summer robbed him(and every other player) of strength and fitness. Except for 2001, he never hit more than 49 hrs - but was consistently high 30 and 40s. He did not get to 762 HRs off of one year of 73.

With the steroids or HGH he almost never broke down or got fatigued, hence he could continue to feast on pitchers that were slowing down in August and September from injury and fatigue. And yes some pitchers were taking helpful products too. But that is how he broke the record. HGH is not going to help you barrel up a pitch, that was his natural talent - but it keeps you healthy enough to be able to continue to barrel them up through the year. Bonds had wonderful hand eye coordination to begin with. So without fatigue and injury and some added strength he basically became Superman vs mere mortals - just like Sosa and McGuire.

My guess is he would have still hit 600 HRs without HGH. I think the same thing with A-Rod.


Fair.
RE: RE: that was Bonds' entire point  
MartyNJ1969 : 9/21/2022 4:05 pm : link
In comment 15826531 Danny Kanell said:
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he was pissed after 1998 because inferior players like McGwire and Sosa were the toast of baseball solely due to PED-fueled homers, so Bonds decided to show them what he could do on PEDs. That's why I think keeping him out of the HOF is stupid - he was an easy HOFer before he ever did roids, and none of the other roided up guys did anything remotely close to what he did. That's how damned good Barry Bonds was, clean, PEDs, whatever. Best ballplayer of my lifetime.



Good post and agree.



Two wrongs don't make a right
RE: RE: RE: that was Bonds' entire point  
Danny Kanell : 9/21/2022 4:30 pm : link
In comment 15826709 MartyNJ1969 said:
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he was pissed after 1998 because inferior players like McGwire and Sosa were the toast of baseball solely due to PED-fueled homers, so Bonds decided to show them what he could do on PEDs. That's why I think keeping him out of the HOF is stupid - he was an easy HOFer before he ever did roids, and none of the other roided up guys did anything remotely close to what he did. That's how damned good Barry Bonds was, clean, PEDs, whatever. Best ballplayer of my lifetime.



Good post and agree.




Two wrongs don't make a right


Who said he was right?
RE: RE: RE: RE: that was Bonds' entire point  
MartyNJ1969 : 9/21/2022 5:02 pm : link
In comment 15826750 Danny Kanell said:
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he was pissed after 1998 because inferior players like McGwire and Sosa were the toast of baseball solely due to PED-fueled homers, so Bonds decided to show them what he could do on PEDs. That's why I think keeping him out of the HOF is stupid - he was an easy HOFer before he ever did roids, and none of the other roided up guys did anything remotely close to what he did. That's how damned good Barry Bonds was, clean, PEDs, whatever. Best ballplayer of my lifetime.



Good post and agree.




Two wrongs don't make a right



Who said he was right?


Bonds said he was right sic Mac and Sosa were doing it
more Judge stats...  
Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy : 9/21/2022 5:14 pm : link
So I prefer FanGraphs' wRC+ to Baseball-Reference's OPS+? Why? Because it's just a more thorough and logically built metric. OPS+ is easier to use because or BBRef's website, but wRC+ is basically the better version of it. With that being said...

There have been 15 seasons with a 200+ wRC since integration in 1947.

1 of them was '20 Soto, which was 47 games and shouldn't count. 2 of them were '94 Bagwell/Thomas, but no stats from that season should count as they they played less than 115 games and the juiced balls in '94 had the entire league out of whack.

4 of the others were from Bonds. Another one was from '98 McGwire. Both were obviously outed as PED users.

So excluding any shortened seasons due to strike/COVID and any players who were caught using PEDs, these are the only seasons a player put up 200+ wRC since integration.

wRC+ Leaders since Integration ('47)
1. 1957 Ted Williams ----- 223 wRC+
2. 1957 Mickey Mantle -- 217
3. 2022 Aaron Judge ------ 210
4. 1954 Ted Williams ---- 207
5. 1947 Ted Williams ------ 207
6. 1956 Mickey Mantle ---- 202
7. 1948 Stan Musial ------- 201

3 classic Teddy Ballgame seasons, 2 epic seasons from the Mick, the best season of Stan the Man's career... and Judge.

Pretty damn amazing. I know you can't just erase Bonds/McGwire/Sosa from the record books but it's still cool to see how Judge compares without known PED users on the list.
RE: more Judge stats...  
section125 : 9/21/2022 6:30 pm : link
In comment 15826805 Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy said:
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There have been 15 seasons with a 200+ wRC since integration in 1947.

1 of them was '20 Soto, which was 47 games and shouldn't count. 2 of them were '94 Bagwell/Thomas, but no stats from that season should count as they they played less than 115 games and the juiced balls in '94 had the entire league out of whack.

4 of the others were from Bonds. Another one was from '98 McGwire. Both were obviously outed as PED users.

So excluding any shortened seasons due to strike/COVID and any players who were caught using PEDs, these are the only seasons a player put up 200+ wRC since integration.

wRC+ Leaders since Integration ('47)
1. 1957 Ted Williams ----- 223 wRC+
2. 1957 Mickey Mantle -- 217
3. 2022 Aaron Judge ------ 210
4. 1954 Ted Williams ---- 207
5. 1947 Ted Williams ------ 207
6. 1956 Mickey Mantle ---- 202
7. 1948 Stan Musial ------- 201

3 classic Teddy Ballgame seasons, 2 epic seasons from the Mick, the best season of Stan the Man's career... and Judge.

Pretty damn amazing. I know you can't just erase Bonds/McGwire/Sosa from the record books but it's still cool to see how Judge compares without known PED users on the list.


I think they have to be included on the list. The records count. And I think it would be a good reference.

Ted with the missing 5 or 6 seasons due to war.
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