Today is the first Day Aaron Judge leads in all categories for the Triple Crown!! He took the BA average lead last night with his historic nonjuiced 60th HR and tied the Babe.
I took alot of heat in June for predicting he had a chance to win the TC. This is an incredilbe acheivement to witness in all of sports.
I think you need to reevaluate how you experienc pain.
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In comment 15826256 MartyNJ1969 said:
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And yes, I am fortunate, gracious and humble in life to have the opportunity to be standing upright and watch baseball right now. Every day is a gift.
More like, you're fortunate enough in your life to have suffered so little pain that somehow you can - with a straight face - refer to baseball's steroid era as "many painful years."
How much pain did those years actually cause you?
Answer: Alot of emotional pain I went through as new designer PED drugs were rampantly being used as expressed by Jose Canseco in his book. The new designer PED drugs basically allowed these athletes to break all the old major records (except for the 56 hitting streak). My lovable Yankee held records by Maris and Ruth were broken because it did not keep up with current drug policy and allowed the behavior to proliferatevwhich hurt the sport in the end until proper controls were put in place. Seeing my Yankees lose those records to cheaters was just gut wrenching and with what Judge is doing will cure my pain.
Your beloved Mickey Mantle used PEDs. Hank Aaron did as well. Plenty of older HOFers did
Yeah, seems a lot of jealousy towards Bonds....
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Yeah, seems a lot of jealousy towards Bonds....
No need to be so angry and jealous on such a beautiful day, man. It's gonna be okay.
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In comment 15826256 MartyNJ1969 said:
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And yes, I am fortunate, gracious and humble in life to have the opportunity to be standing upright and watch baseball right now. Every day is a gift.
More like, you're fortunate enough in your life to have suffered so little pain that somehow you can - with a straight face - refer to baseball's steroid era as "many painful years."
How much pain did those years actually cause you?
Answer: Alot of emotional pain I went through as new designer PED drugs were rampantly being used as expressed by Jose Canseco in his book. The new designer PED drugs basically allowed these athletes to break all the old major records (except for the 56 hitting streak). My lovable Yankee held records by Maris and Ruth were broken because it did not keep up with current drug policy and allowed the behavior to proliferatevwhich hurt the sport in the end until proper controls were put in place. Seeing my Yankees lose those records to cheaters was just gut wrenching and with what Judge is doing will cure my pain.
You experience emotional pain because of drugs and supplements that grown men were taking to improve their performance at their own jobs? Did you also cry every time one of your coworkers topped off their cup of coffee?
Somehow I think you're being dramatic.
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In comment 15826256 MartyNJ1969 said:
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And yes, I am fortunate, gracious and humble in life to have the opportunity to be standing upright and watch baseball right now. Every day is a gift.
More like, you're fortunate enough in your life to have suffered so little pain that somehow you can - with a straight face - refer to baseball's steroid era as "many painful years."
How much pain did those years actually cause you?
Answer: Alot of emotional pain I went through as new designer PED drugs were rampantly being used as expressed by Jose Canseco in his book. The new designer PED drugs basically allowed these athletes to break all the old major records (except for the 56 hitting streak). My lovable Yankee held records by Maris and Ruth were broken because it did not keep up with current drug policy and allowed the behavior to proliferatevwhich hurt the sport in the end until proper controls were put in place. Seeing my Yankees lose those records to cheaters was just gut wrenching and with what Judge is doing will cure my pain.
This one might push you over the edge, Marty...
Is your whole world crumbling right now?
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That's in part because of steroids, but also because there was no defense then like there is today. League-wide, batting numbers are way down because of the way pitchers pitch and defenses defend.
1961: .258 AVG, 4.53 R/G
2004: .264 AVG, 4.81 R/G
2022: .243 AVG, 4.3 R/G
Kmed comparing OBPs of Bonds & Judge is stupid. OBP is calculated by taking the total number of hits, walks, and hit-by pitches and dividing it by the total number of plate appearances. Bonds had 120 IBBs in the year he had a .609 OBP, and that doesn't count the many times he was pitched around. Judge has only been 17 IBBs this year. Idiotic.
That's in part because of steroids, but also because there was no defense then like there is today. League-wide, batting numbers are way down because of the way pitchers pitch and defenses defend.
1961: .258 AVG, 4.53 R/G
2004: .264 AVG, 4.81 R/G
2022: .243 AVG, 4.3 R/G
Kmed comparing OBPs of Bonds & Judge is stupid. OBP is calculated by taking the total number of hits, walks, and hit-by pitches and dividing it by the total number of plate appearances. Bonds had 120 IBBs in the year he had a .609 OBP, and that doesn't count the many times he was pitched around. Judge has only been 17 IBBs this year. Idiotic.
It is extremely relevant in understanding how good Bonds was. The 73 HR season, he walked 177 times. The bat was taken out of Bonds' hands quite often.
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In comment 15826415 MOOPS said:
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the daily aches and pains.
The Roid years packed on 50 pounds of muscle and rage.
I think that's overly simplistic. There are quite a few steroids for which the primary (and in some cases, sole) benefit is recovery time, not muscle growth.
Not the ones that turn singles hitters into HR cmamps. You know, like the ones being discussed.
Barry Bonds and Mark McGwire were singles hitters?
That's in part because of steroids, but also because there was no defense then like there is today. League-wide, batting numbers are way down because of the way pitchers pitch and defenses defend.
1961: .258 AVG, 4.53 R/G
2004: .264 AVG, 4.81 R/G
2022: .243 AVG, 4.3 R/G
Kmed comparing OBPs of Bonds & Judge is stupid. OBP is calculated by taking the total number of hits, walks, and hit-by pitches and dividing it by the total number of plate appearances. Bonds had 120 IBBs in the year he had a .609 OBP, and that doesn't count the many times he was pitched around. Judge has only been 17 IBBs this year. Idiotic.
Just curious, but when did I even remotely compare Judge to Bonds? Did you imagine that so you can call me stupid? Never happened, I accept your apology.
With the steroids or HGH he almost never broke down or got fatigued, hence he could continue to feast on pitchers that were slowing down in August and September from injury and fatigue. And yes some pitchers were taking helpful products too. But that is how he broke the record. HGH is not going to help you barrel up a pitch, that was his natural talent - but it keeps you healthy enough to be able to continue to barrel them up through the year. Bonds had wonderful hand eye coordination to begin with. So without fatigue and injury and some added strength he basically became Superman vs mere mortals - just like Sosa and McGuire.
My guess is he would have still hit 600 HRs without HGH. I think the same thing with A-Rod.
Good post and agree.
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he was pissed after 1998 because inferior players like McGwire and Sosa were the toast of baseball solely due to PED-fueled homers, so Bonds decided to show them what he could do on PEDs. That's why I think keeping him out of the HOF is stupid - he was an easy HOFer before he ever did roids, and none of the other roided up guys did anything remotely close to what he did. That's how damned good Barry Bonds was, clean, PEDs, whatever. Best ballplayer of my lifetime.
Good post and agree.
And A-Rod was a better player than Bonds. Both shot themselves in the foot.
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Bonds' numbers are cheat code level, but the game was completely different from 01-05.... really from 92-2010.
That's in part because of steroids, but also because there was no defense then like there is today. League-wide, batting numbers are way down because of the way pitchers pitch and defenses defend.
1961: .258 AVG, 4.53 R/G
2004: .264 AVG, 4.81 R/G
2022: .243 AVG, 4.3 R/G
Kmed comparing OBPs of Bonds & Judge is stupid. OBP is calculated by taking the total number of hits, walks, and hit-by pitches and dividing it by the total number of plate appearances. Bonds had 120 IBBs in the year he had a .609 OBP, and that doesn't count the many times he was pitched around. Judge has only been 17 IBBs this year. Idiotic.
Just curious, but when did I even remotely compare Judge to Bonds? Did you imagine that so you can call me stupid? Never happened, I accept your apology.
You are on a thread about Judge, you cited OBP and you are an idiot. All things can be true.
With the steroids or HGH he almost never broke down or got fatigued, hence he could continue to feast on pitchers that were slowing down in August and September from injury and fatigue. And yes some pitchers were taking helpful products too. But that is how he broke the record. HGH is not going to help you barrel up a pitch, that was his natural talent - but it keeps you healthy enough to be able to continue to barrel them up through the year. Bonds had wonderful hand eye coordination to begin with. So without fatigue and injury and some added strength he basically became Superman vs mere mortals - just like Sosa and McGuire.
My guess is he would have still hit 600 HRs without HGH. I think the same thing with A-Rod.
Fair.
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he was pissed after 1998 because inferior players like McGwire and Sosa were the toast of baseball solely due to PED-fueled homers, so Bonds decided to show them what he could do on PEDs. That's why I think keeping him out of the HOF is stupid - he was an easy HOFer before he ever did roids, and none of the other roided up guys did anything remotely close to what he did. That's how damned good Barry Bonds was, clean, PEDs, whatever. Best ballplayer of my lifetime.
Good post and agree.
Two wrongs don't make a right
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In comment 15826409 Greg from LI said:
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he was pissed after 1998 because inferior players like McGwire and Sosa were the toast of baseball solely due to PED-fueled homers, so Bonds decided to show them what he could do on PEDs. That's why I think keeping him out of the HOF is stupid - he was an easy HOFer before he ever did roids, and none of the other roided up guys did anything remotely close to what he did. That's how damned good Barry Bonds was, clean, PEDs, whatever. Best ballplayer of my lifetime.
Good post and agree.
Two wrongs don't make a right
Who said he was right?
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In comment 15826531 Danny Kanell said:
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In comment 15826409 Greg from LI said:
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he was pissed after 1998 because inferior players like McGwire and Sosa were the toast of baseball solely due to PED-fueled homers, so Bonds decided to show them what he could do on PEDs. That's why I think keeping him out of the HOF is stupid - he was an easy HOFer before he ever did roids, and none of the other roided up guys did anything remotely close to what he did. That's how damned good Barry Bonds was, clean, PEDs, whatever. Best ballplayer of my lifetime.
Good post and agree.
Two wrongs don't make a right
Who said he was right?
Bonds said he was right sic Mac and Sosa were doing it
There have been 15 seasons with a 200+ wRC since integration in 1947.
1 of them was '20 Soto, which was 47 games and shouldn't count. 2 of them were '94 Bagwell/Thomas, but no stats from that season should count as they they played less than 115 games and the juiced balls in '94 had the entire league out of whack.
4 of the others were from Bonds. Another one was from '98 McGwire. Both were obviously outed as PED users.
So excluding any shortened seasons due to strike/COVID and any players who were caught using PEDs, these are the only seasons a player put up 200+ wRC since integration.
wRC+ Leaders since Integration ('47)
1. 1957 Ted Williams ----- 223 wRC+
2. 1957 Mickey Mantle -- 217
3. 2022 Aaron Judge ------ 210
4. 1954 Ted Williams ---- 207
5. 1947 Ted Williams ------ 207
6. 1956 Mickey Mantle ---- 202
7. 1948 Stan Musial ------- 201
3 classic Teddy Ballgame seasons, 2 epic seasons from the Mick, the best season of Stan the Man's career... and Judge.
Pretty damn amazing. I know you can't just erase Bonds/McGwire/Sosa from the record books but it's still cool to see how Judge compares without known PED users on the list.
There have been 15 seasons with a 200+ wRC since integration in 1947.
1 of them was '20 Soto, which was 47 games and shouldn't count. 2 of them were '94 Bagwell/Thomas, but no stats from that season should count as they they played less than 115 games and the juiced balls in '94 had the entire league out of whack.
4 of the others were from Bonds. Another one was from '98 McGwire. Both were obviously outed as PED users.
So excluding any shortened seasons due to strike/COVID and any players who were caught using PEDs, these are the only seasons a player put up 200+ wRC since integration.
wRC+ Leaders since Integration ('47)
1. 1957 Ted Williams ----- 223 wRC+
2. 1957 Mickey Mantle -- 217
3. 2022 Aaron Judge ------ 210
4. 1954 Ted Williams ---- 207
5. 1947 Ted Williams ------ 207
6. 1956 Mickey Mantle ---- 202
7. 1948 Stan Musial ------- 201
3 classic Teddy Ballgame seasons, 2 epic seasons from the Mick, the best season of Stan the Man's career... and Judge.
Pretty damn amazing. I know you can't just erase Bonds/McGwire/Sosa from the record books but it's still cool to see how Judge compares without known PED users on the list.
I think they have to be included on the list. The records count. And I think it would be a good reference.
Ted with the missing 5 or 6 seasons due to war.