BRADY..MAHONES..JACKSON..BURROW..ALLEN..STAFFORD..
HERBERT..RODGERS..
MY VG..MURRAY..COUSINS..PRESCOTT..WILSON..
ELITE QB:Can get to a SB and win it..
VG QB:Can get you into playoffs,and possibly win a game..
FAIR TO GD:Not much chance to playoffs or even win a game..
NOTE:There are a few rookie & 2nd year QB's in the FAIR to good..It will take more games,or even 3 or 4 years before we really know what they will become..
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Must be fair to good..I do not see his name..
You combine our o-line and skill positions and put Brady behind Center. I think you would see something below HOF performances.
Toney and Robinson have to be evaluated on what they are in this offense, not what they might become. With an honest evaluation this is the least inspiring group of so-called pro receivers ever assembled.
You combine our o-line and skill positions and put Brady behind Center. I think you would see something below HOF performances.
Toney and Robinson have to be evaluated on what they are in this offense, not what they might become. With an honest evaluation this is the least inspiring group of so-called pro receivers ever assembled.
It's always the same deal. Look at the QB as a separate entity (never the parts around him). Not a big fan of Jones but the gurus always fail to include the circumstances. Agree about the state of the Giants WR crew (as least right now).
I be a little concerned if I were Cincinnati with Burrows.
One game..If he continues playing like that,he's in the VG group..
Wake up buddy..It's all about winning SB's..Winning g just 1 playoff game is not all that super..
1st game Brady was pedestrian..That does not exclude him from being elite..
But injuries and father time always win out..
DID ELI WIN ANY SUPER BOWLS...I REST MY CASE ON THE ANSWER..
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I be a little concerned if I were Cincinnati with Burrows.
Wha?? You want to stick with this take? Maybe "right now" if you mean this very second, but we are less than months removed from the end of a season in which he led the league in yards, TDs and completions and finished second in MVP voting.
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he can go on a run if they are healthy and maybe add a weapon, but no one is scared of him right now.
Wha?? You want to stick with this take? Maybe "right now" if you mean this very second, but we are less than months removed from the end of a season in which he led the league in yards, TDs and completions and finished second in MVP voting.
It’s like you didn’t read my post.
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he can go on a run if they are healthy and maybe add a weapon, but no one is scared of him right now.
Wha?? You want to stick with this take? Maybe "right now" if you mean this very second, but we are less than months removed from the end of a season in which he led the league in yards, TDs and completions and finished second in MVP voting.
It’s like you didn’t read my post.
I did. You're saying he's not elite based on 2 games.
So if they add to it, I’ll revisit, as I said already.
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Only 12 QBs have a chance to win a game?
Wake up buddy..It's all about winning SB's..Winning g just 1 playoff game is not all that super..
Wake up Alamo. Your Fair to Good says “not much chance to ……….even win a game.” Just reading what you wrote. Anyway, I disagree with the premise that you can’t win a playoff game with fair to good QB. I would be surprised if you didn’t find half a dozen playoff games in past 5 years that were won by QBs still active in the league that are not on your elite/VG lists.
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Only 12 QBs have a chance to win a game?
Wake up buddy..It's all about winning SB's..Winning g just 1 playoff game is not all that super..
Wake up Alamo. Your Fair to Good says “not much chance to ……….even win a game.” Just reading what you wrote. Anyway, I disagree with the premise that you can’t win a playoff game with fair to good QB. I would be surprised if you didn’t find half a dozen playoff games in past 5 years that were won by QBs still active in the league that
are not on your elite/VG lists.
I should have written my words better..Your right about that..My intention was to get accross that QB's that fall into the Fair to Good category have less of a chance to make it to a SB..And even winning one playoff game is probably not in their future..There are players in that group that have won playoff games,but not the big one..Was it their performace, ot the Defence,or whatever,they did not win..More then likely, the winning team had the Elite QB..
If it's just a straight up list, you have to throw in Garoppolo, Goff, and a bunch of others on it for having gotten to Super Bowls, or won 1 or 2 playoff games on the way there.
And as much as people want to say coaching/run game/defenses are carrying QBs.....keep in mind in the postseason, everyone has a decent amount of all that, just varying levels of how good.
Reality is this:
If you don't have an elite QB, then you're gonna need special firepower to get a Super Bowl victory.
Playoff games can be won by very many QBs.
Bad time for QB play in the NFL.
Allen
Herbert
Burrow
Rodgers
Brady
In some order those are the guys, the 4 young guns and the 2 legends. Brady is the biggest question mark due to age, but he's Tom Brady and I need to see him struggle to believe it.
Jackson
Wilson
Stafford
Wilson and Stafford both proved to be Championship quality QBs, but they were on some loaded teams and there are questions about them as they are getting older now. Both guys are also more inconsistent than the "Top 6" even when they're on their game.
Jackson is the most unique weapon in the game and kind of belongs on his own tier. I put him with Wilson/Stafford in the "next best guys" tier but he's a different type of player at a different stage in his career.
After that you have a ton of guys in the mix.
Do you mean Daniel Jones? If so, you're not a serious poster. Dak is two tiers above Jones, and Jones is nowhere near the top 10 QBs.
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Brady, Wilson, even Burrows look very. Pedestrian
I be a little concerned if I were Cincinnati with Burrows.
Burrow is under way more pressure than Jones. Are you not worried about Jones, or do "circumstances" only matter when it is the guy you are defending?
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Brady, Wilson, even Burrows look very. Pedestrian
I be a little concerned if I were Cincinnati with Burrows.
Burrow is under way more pressure than Jones. Are you not worried about Jones, or do "circumstances" only matter when it is the guy you are defending?
If this is for me then Burrow appears to me to have some processing issues. The other QB's I did not comment. My other comment was when looking at any QB you need to look at the players and support him. I am consistent in those views for any QB.
You could probably copy and paste this response on half the threads on this site.
You are 100% correct..It is a team game..
If it's just a straight up list, you have to throw in Garoppolo, Goff, and a bunch of others on it for having gotten to Super Bowls, or won 1 or 2 playoff games on the way there.
And as much as people want to say coaching/run
game/defenses are carrying QBs.....keep in mind in the postseason, everyone has a decent amount of all that, just varying levels of how good.
Reality is this:
If you don't have an elite QB, then you're gonna need special firepower to get a Super Bowl victory.
Playoff games can be won by very many QBs.
What I did was I looked up all the starting QB's right now,and Lance was in the 20..But I forgot about Goff,and that was a mistake..I forgot Goff,and not Wentz was the MAN..I always liked Goff more then Wentz..I would make a great sports writter,because I leave important info out of my reports..Like Lance is out hurt,and the QB with the name I can't spell,is now in...IN THE VG GROUPING..Had to make sure I wrote the last few words,or I would catch a little hell here..👹👹😈😈
I think Chase is the best receiver out there, but I still think Burrow is elite. He has a questionable OLine protecting him.
And Higgins and Mixson.
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Brady, Wilson, even Burrows look very. Pedestrian
I be a little concerned if I were Cincinnati with Burrows.
Burrow is under way more pressure than Jones. Are you not worried about Jones, or do "circumstances" only matter when it is the guy you are defending?
If this is for me then Burrow appears to me to have some processing issues. The other QB's I did not comment. My other comment was when looking at any QB you need to look at the players and support him. I am consistent in those views for any QB.
QBs are first and foremost differentiated by their talent. Jones has less talent than the top QBs discussed here, such as Burrow, Brady and Mahomes
And I give Tua an asterisk because I'm not convinced what I am seeing with Miami's offense is Tua's ascension or if he's a passenger in McDaniel's system filled with elite offensive speed and skill. Time will tell.
There is just a lot of mediocre-poor QB play throughout the league right now. Brady looks lost. Rodgers is still going through growing pains with that receiving corp. Burrow is just off with his decision making. On and on.