Fun look back thread - Matt Rhule hired by Carolina

the Panthers. Oh well, we appear to have dodged a bullet. Love that speculation was Wink (who might have been good!) or Garrett. And then it turns out to be the Special Teams dude.

The cherry on top would be the BBI thread where Judge was hired.

Who was hoping for Rhule over McCarthy….I don’t recall Judge entering the picture until much later. I was okay with Judge’s resume when learned it and I liked his first NY Giant speech. Everything after that, no good

...of people want what they don't have.

We've been suffering for sure but maybe, just maybe, we have the right organizational pieces in place.

LMAO!

and watching this team the first 2 weeks and yeah its not the most talented team in the league but i really think Gettlemans biggedt downfall was who he hired and that is partially on Mara but top guys didnt want to work woth Gettleman either..

and yeah he made some bonehead signings IE Golladay but there is young talent on this team from gettleman..

I just think his attitude and cockiness did him in when it came to hiring coaches

because I thought Judge was a really good hire

This is why i have no opinion of Daboll yet. I'm just going to root for the team and wait and see.

seems over his head.

The sad thing is he is still better than Judge.

But was 100% okay with Judge (big whiff there)

My biggest worry that hiring cycle was ending up with McCarthy.

In comment 15826139 Scooter185 said:

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But was 100% okay with Judge (big whiff there) My biggest worry that hiring cycle was ending up with McCarthy.

Same on all fronts, lol

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because I thought Judge was a really good hire This is why i have no opinion of Daboll yet. I'm just going to root for the team and wait and see.

yep, I got way ahead of myself with Judge. I was very disappointed when it started falling apart. So, like you, I'll just watch the games and wait.

Problem is, even a good coach can’t win with a bad QB in this league.

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Problem is, even a good coach can’t win with a bad QB in this league.

True, but as Sy mentioned in his game review, Carolina has mismanaged the position terribly. Rhule deserves blame for that.

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seems over his head. The sad thing is he is still better than Judge.

I think they're pretty comparable, at least on the field. I don't follow the Panthers, but Judge's postgame behavior really embarrassed the organization last year.

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Problem is, even a good coach can’t win with a bad QB in this league.

Yep - you're basically spinning your wheels and treading water.

The other issue is college guys get a taste of that and say f*ck this and sprint back to college where they have it made:

vg salary, recruiting, and treated as a king on campus.

But I think I freaked out pretty good regarding the fact that Rhule was supposed to be the top choice and we couldn't even get him in the door for an interview...

In retrospect, we should have just nabbed Wink back then.

Liked the TC connection and followed his teams a bit at both Temple and Baylor. Thought he address the OL and front 7 with the Giants.

He actually has assembled a good D unit. His problems stem from the O side.

I think he will rebound if he gets canned but it will be at the college level.

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In comment 15826142 Metnut said: Quote: Problem is, even a good coach can’t win with a bad QB in this league. True, but as Sy mentioned in his game review, Carolina has mismanaged the position terribly. Rhule deserves blame for that.

How doesn't he deserve blame for that? He has final say on all personnel decisions.

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In comment 15826142 Metnut said: Quote: Problem is, even a good coach can’t win with a bad QB in this league. True, but as Sy mentioned in his game review, Carolina has mismanaged the position terribly. Rhule deserves blame for that.

Sorry, misread lol. Yes, he does deserve blame for that.

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But I think I freaked out pretty good regarding the fact that Rhule was supposed to be the top choice and we couldn't even get him in the door for an interview... In retrospect, we should have just nabbed Wink back then.

Same here

Any coaching hire that came in was doomed to suffer under Gettleman's mismanagement. The only reason Daboll has a chance is that the Giants have finally turned that page.

Mcadoo, Shurmur, and Judge were obvious F tier prospects, I put Daboll in C tier at the time of hiring and Rhule and Rodriguez were B tier prospects.

Thought Car owner and Snyder played the Maras like a drum.

Will likely be added to the list of college coaches who didnt succeed in the NFL.

Tepper is a smug arrogant owner too. He is not popular with the fan base.

Then we sat down in front of a fucking cannon.

good work!

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seems over his head. The sad thing is he is still better than Judge.

Yeah, but between bad and less bad it's actually better to hire bad because the mistake is more obvious and you can fire him quickly and bring someone else in. Carolina will probably give Rhule a couple of more years... and then fire him.

a Snake Oil Salesman at the NFL level. Shame he has to deal with that pesky draft and salary cap to stock his pond. Not like college, hey Matt?

He's also shown how NOT to go about finding your franchise QB, bring in other teams' discarded trash. Tough to get that Instant Gratification when you're in rebuild mode. One or the other Matt. You can't handle both.

ASU has an opening Matt. If you get fired soon enough maybe you got a shot there.

I was all in on Rhule. I wasn't sold on Judge until his introductory Press Conference.

Was severely wrong. Used Car salesman and snake oil salesman.

I wouldn't have left without signing either. I don't think that's a Giants thing, it was a fairly loud mouthed billionaire flexing in his first year thing and Rhule would have been a fool to risk leaving that contract on the table.

Sean!

in that thread. I NEVER liked Rhule. Thought he was Fool's Gold and should stay at the college level. But the connect-the-dot crew fell in love with his local roots and his brief stay as a Giants OL coach.

But both teams made colossal mistakes - Carolina on Rhule and NYG on Judge.

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Quote: Are the Giants holding their water now? trueblueinpw : 1/7/2020 11:09 am : link Or are the Giants just holding their flaccid johnsons? What a fucking shit show this franchise has become. The Giants didn’t even manage to interview their top candidate. Fucking pathetic job by Mara Tisch. And this nothing to do with whether or not Rhule turns out to be the next great NFL coach. The Giants couldn’t even get the guy in the building. Fucking pathetic. Absolutely fucking pathetic. And remember, this is the second time the Giants have been left with only second level coaching candidates. Hey Mara Tisch, you guys are the laughing stock of the NFL.

Sounds like my reaction.

Didn't get the Rhule hype at all, though it was disappointing to me only because I thought it meant Garrett was going to be the next coach... wasn't far off.

Rhule might not be good, but let's not understate what a flaming train wreck judge was over two years. The Panthers seem strong and stable by comparison. Fighting his OL coach, coaching scared, lunatic fringe press conferences. Disaster hire. Worse than McAdoo and Rhule easily.

Jason F'ing Garrett is going to be our next head coach isn't he?
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 1/7/2020 10:10 am : link
Just F me.

Haha. Well he wasn't hired as the lead dog, but Mara-& I'm 99.9% sure of this-forced Garrett on JJ.

I suspect Rhule will end up back in the college ranks in the coming seasons. I wouldn't be surprised if Tepper fires him midseason.

This is the 3rd season, I believe. I guess if anyone can eat that contract it's Tepper.

Judge shoulda been fired after that Bears presser, which was UFB.

then and now.

I also was very skeptical of Judge while most people ate up every word he said, I was curious how people had so much faith in a guy who had never been a coach at any level to be a successful NFL head coach, and he'd never even been a positional coordinator, just special teams.

So, for now on, I suggest I be the sounding board for all topics on here, even NFT because it's clear I have better judgment than most of you. Even when I'm talking out of my ass.

I bought the JJ hype after his intro presser. I'll admit it. I think I'm not alone in that either.

As for being only a ST coach, so was primarily John Harbaugh & he's done quite well in Baltimore.

Judge turned out to be a fraud.

While this is an embarassment for the franchise
Essex : 1/7/2020 10:08 am : link
as he was the guy we wanted, this may well be a blessing in disguise. This was as risky a hire as they get.



I laughed when I read that comment in that He was extremely risky but when I said “as risky a hire as they get” who knew the backup plan was a ST Blowhard that they were about to detonate in a few hours

In comment 15826902 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:

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I bought the JJ hype after his intro presser. I'll admit it. I think I'm not alone in that either. As for being only a ST coach, so was primarily John Harbaugh & he's done quite well in Baltimore. Judge turned out to be a fraud.

no one needs to explain themselves. People who try and call out others are usually assholes. People have a right to feel what they want and say what they feel. Then times change and as new details become available then opinions evolve. It's called life. I was just busting balls.

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Then we sat down in front of a fucking cannon.

haha