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FranknWeezer : 9/21/2022 3:08 pm
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Kenny Golladay was asked if he would ask for a change of scenery:

“We’re going to see how it goes. I came here to play.”
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Jordan Raanan
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Kenny Golladay on playing 2 snaps vs. Panthers. Accepted the coach’s decision but …

“I don’t agree with it. … I should be playing regardless,” he said. “That’s a fact.”

More Golladay:

“I didn’t like the decision whatsoever.”

“Little confusing.”

“I came here to play.”

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Dj gets his abuse her  
Carl in CT : 9/21/2022 4:33 pm : link
As bad as He does. Whether we win or lose or doesn’t turn the ball over, or under constant pressure then it’s his missing receivers. It’s non stop. He is not the same player as he was with Detroit. Either injury or effort I’m not sure. Or the “Fat Cat” syndrome?
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: The same people that talk about DJ as the victim  
Lines of Scrimmage : 9/21/2022 4:34 pm : link
In comment 15826747 bw in dc said:
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In comment 15826733 Lines of Scrimmage said:


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In comment 15826728 bw in dc said:

I did go game by game. Stafford went out after the November 3rd game. He played in all eight games from the opener thru the Nov 3rd game.

Look at KG's stats from 9/8 to 11/3. Those were with Stafford and he was more productive.

I don't disagree that KG was never a true WR1.



Why bring Jones into this? If you don't think he is a elite one maybe it's more on him or those who wanted him here at his cost. That is a fair rationale. Not having MS (who I like) is not a big part of the equation here especially with most likely physical issues KG has.



Where did I bring Jones into this?

"Fair point. In Detroit, and this was mentioned by a few of us when we signed KG, Stafford could throw KG open because he is fearless with his confidence that he can put the ball anywhere."

Come on.
RE: The same people that talk about DJ as the victim  
DefenseWins : 9/21/2022 4:41 pm : link
In comment 15826586 NoGainDayne said:
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and basically call his conditions essentially untenable to throw.

Can also seemingly completely blame KG. A man that has had WAY more proven success in the NFL. It's puzzling.

Especially the fact that DJ seems to have an aversion to throwing contested balls, which is really a part of KG's game, perhaps there is something to his frustration.

Not saying I like him just that I feel like I see the same people ready to tar and feather this guy and falling over themselves to make excuses for DJ.


KG can’t get open. He does not separate no matter how much he may work in practice. I don’t care who he is or what is contract looks like. A WR who cannot get pork does not belong in the field. At that point we can just put another OL out there to block.

I want someone to show me highlights of KG getting open consistently in a giants uniform against man coverage.
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SFGFNCGiantsFan : 9/21/2022 4:43 pm : link
He is gone next offseason. I am not losing sleep over KG bitching about PT.
Connor Hughes: "These two sides are stuck with each other, even if  
FranknWeezer : 9/21/2022 4:44 pm : link
both of them want a divorce."
Connor Hughes video about the Golladay interviews today - ( New Window )
Looks like classic force-out mind games  
MeanBunny : 9/21/2022 4:50 pm : link
I bet front office woulr LOVE to have Golladay fly the coup, have some other team eat up a bulk of his salary and then the Giants may have some cap space to play around.
Leonard Williams restructured.
I bet Golladay said kiss my ass and now he is making moves to get traded-or if they can drive him insane enough he does something to void his contract(walks out or no-shows)
Golliday  
stretch234 : 9/21/2022 4:51 pm : link
A pro player unhappy about playing time - earth shattering event

He also would not be the first athlete to be done while thinking he has plenty left

Where does it lie

What I can’t figure out is that last year 1st 4 games with Jones healthy he avg 6.5 targets and 4.5 catches and 70 ypg. That went away with Jones after Dallas injury as well as the other QB. His best after was 3/53



RE: Working towards “Conduct Detrimental to the Team”  
Dr. D : 9/21/2022 4:56 pm : link
In comment 15826743 BigBlue7 said:
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Perfect. And would allow the Giants to potentially void his contract if he keeps on this path.

Keep speaking, Kenny!!

I like the way you think.

Keep it up, Kenny! They're hosing you! You deserve better!
Good...he is not happy  
AnnapolisMike : 9/21/2022 4:58 pm : link
There is something he can do about that. He can turn it around himself by putting the effort in and earning the playing time. For what is maybe the first time in quite a while KG is having to earn his playing time.
Golladay not sounding like a happy camper  
Spider43 : 9/21/2022 5:06 pm : link
In other news, water is wet.
Put up or shut up  
RCPhoenix : 9/21/2022 5:07 pm : link
If he is indeed practicing harder that will translate to opportunities on Sunday. If he's woofing it in practice he'll be an afterthought.

It should be obvious to the beat reporters that Daboll plays the WRs who deserve to play based on what they do in practice.
When posters ask me  
JonC : 9/21/2022 5:16 pm : link
what do the Giants have to lose in overspending on a player with warts, eg KG, Solder, insert ridiculous contract holder here, here's the reason why. Poor fit with Jones, apparently not impressing the coaches or working hard for playing time, and he probably won't do anything about it except plead ignorance. Knucklehead.
Good  
joeinpa : 9/21/2022 5:16 pm : link
Throw him the ball.

Julian Love in an interview yesterday on the fan suggested that some guys are better game day players than practice players, when asked about Golladay

Plaxico was one of those guys. Golladay has some pelts on his belt, this team is in need of playmakers at receiver, get him involved

I m glad he s unhappy, It s be more concerning if he wasn t.
I'm not excusing him at all because  
robbieballs2003 : 9/21/2022 5:20 pm : link
He is lying in the bed he made. The blocking effort has been straight dogshit. With that said, the Giants doctors need to be questioned here. He had an injury in Detroit that coaches felt he could play through. He felt otherwise. I think it was his hip.

Go back and watch videos of him in Detroit. Players just don't fall off like he did unless there is a lingering health issue. He isn't the same player. It is that simple. He doesn't have the same burst, acceleration, speed, etc. His routes were aggressive in Detroit. Now it looks like he is in quicksand.
My 2 cents is real simple  
5BowlsSoon : 9/21/2022 5:24 pm : link
I don’t really care what any BBI poster thinks….all I really care about is what Schoen-Daboll-Kafka think about one Kenny Golladay.

It feels good to finally feel good to trust people who I think know much more than I do and are thus better able to make decisions. Most, if not all of us here, don’t really have all the inside facts and certainly don’t have first hand knowledge. Much of what we have comes from some media guy telling us what he thinks or believes.

So, if someone thinks poor Kenny is being picked or Kenny is just a slacker ….not really relevant to me. What do the “terrific trio” think? Ahhhhh, that is what I’ll listen to?

Not trying to be mean spirited or downplay anyone’s opinion- nothing wrong with sharing such, especially on a public message board.
Golladay may be giving half ass efforts on the field  
JerseyCityJoe : 9/21/2022 5:46 pm : link
But what he said to the press did not seem out of line at all. Although to be fair he seemed to give the press a half ass effort too.
The guy is cooked...  
sb from NYT Forum : 9/21/2022 5:48 pm : link
...and he only had one really good season in his 5 year career anyway.

Jeez Louise Gettleman signed free agents like a middle schooler playing fantasy football. "Hey, I've heard that name before, let's sign him!"
Players lose athletic ability  
JohnF : 9/21/2022 5:57 pm : link
especially in the NFL, with the punishing injuries they get from games. Often, they still think they're the same player in their mind, but the body simply does not respond.

Golladay was running around with a fork in his back last year; right now, he's carrying around the whole kitchen silverware drawer.

This has happened to better players like Cruz and Nicks, who thought they could still play after major injuries. I don't think KG can make those contested catches or good routes anymore. The coaches can see it, though.

RE: The same people that talk about DJ as the victim  
TJ : 9/21/2022 6:04 pm : link
In comment 15826586 NoGainDayne said:
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and basically call his conditions essentially untenable to throw.

Can also seemingly completely blame KG. A man that has had WAY more proven success in the NFL. It's puzzling.

Especially the fact that DJ seems to have an aversion to throwing contested balls, which is really a part of KG's game, perhaps there is something to his frustration.

Not saying I like him just that I feel like I see the same people ready to tar and feather this guy and falling over themselves to make excuses for DJ.

Yeah we get it. It's all Daniel Jones all the time. There is no other subject worth discussing.
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Banks : 9/21/2022 6:13 pm : link
Many were wondering why we didn't release Shepard, but in hindsight, it's no wonder he was retained. He may be an injury waiting to happen, but he's the only guy that can be relied on
RE: ...  
mfsd : 9/21/2022 6:30 pm : link
In comment 15826755 Eric from BBI said:
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Dan Duggan
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Kenny Golladay has always been candid and nothing he said today was disrespectful. He basically said what you’d expect a disgruntled player to feel. The one thing that caught my ear was, “even people on the team were kind of like, ‘What’s going on?’”


This doesn’t bother me at all. We all want to win the next game, but this season is also about changing the old vibe and establishing some new standards. One of which is guys who work hard in practice will earn PT

And we’re not talking about playing a scrub over Randy Moss here. Sills offers pretty much the same or better as Golladay at this point

I’d bet this is at least in part related to learning the offense. There was plenty of chatter about how Daboll and Kafka’s scheme gave WRs more autonomy, but required both pre and post snap reads and being on the same page with the QB

It’s no stretch to question whether Golladay is putting the time in to get on the same page as Jones, and mis-reading coverages is showing up on practice and game film. Conversely, Sills has by all accounts put a lot of time in with Jones to be in synch
Who Wnats Jones Throwing to A WR  
Jeffrey : 9/21/2022 6:49 pm : link
that cannot get open. I read that Golladay is good at winning contested balls, but that is not exactly a position I want to put the QB in at this time. First time a contested ball is picked all hell will break loose screaming at Jones for throwing to a covered receiver. Besides the loss of a step, Golladay seemed to suffer through a poor effort camp this year and the highest priced player on the Offense should not be having questions about his effort at any point in time.
Daboll  
Les in TO : 9/21/2022 6:57 pm : link
Runs a merit-based ship. You don’t get snaps because of your name or salary. Golloday has not earned the right to be out there.
RE: Maybe the beat writers could do their jobs  
Red Right Hand : 9/21/2022 7:16 pm : link
In comment 15826698 Snablats said:
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and find out what is going on between KG and the coaching staff

There is some mystery there to you? I don't understand. Why are Brian Dabbol's and Kenny Golladay's comments not to be taken at face value? If they are, why is there a mystery? I don't see what's hard to understand.
RE: RE: RE: The same people that talk about DJ as the victim  
Red Right Hand : 9/21/2022 7:18 pm : link
In comment 15826663 Thegratefulhead said:
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In comment 15826586 NoGainDayne said:


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and basically call his conditions essentially untenable to throw.

Can also seemingly completely blame KG. A man that has had WAY more proven success in the NFL. It's puzzling.

Especially the fact that DJ seems to have an aversion to throwing contested balls, which is really a part of KG's game, perhaps there is something to his frustration.

Not saying I like him just that I feel like I see the same people ready to tar and feather this guy and falling over themselves to make excuses for DJ.



Is DJ one of the highest paid players at his position? Is it that hard to understand there are different circumstances at play here?

Yeah, the money is different.

Golloday has a better case than Jones. He excelled in college and the NFL. Jones has never produced anywhere.

The money is different, so is something else.
You are off the mark, mate. KG isn't getting the job done, DJ is. Period. Numbers don't lie. 2-0 .
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ryanmkeane : 9/21/2022 7:42 pm : link
Lol, this fucking guy. Guy has been terrible since the signing and we finally win 2 games and now he’s making himself the center of attention.

Get this guy off the fucking roster, as soon as possible.
RE: RE: Lol I specifically said it wasn't a positive comment on Golladay  
bLiTz 2k : 9/21/2022 7:44 pm : link
In comment 15826639 Spiciest Memelord said:
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and some of you are actually proving the point. You want to string this guy up and he's played poorly but so has DJ yet everyone makes excuse after excuse for him.

How exactly are conditions supposedly untenable for a QB but KG's poor play is entirely on him? It's a point on hypocrisy.

And yeah, I don't hate Jones, I just want him fairly assessed, something many fail to do.



Yeah like Glennon and Fromm were lighting it up throwing to him with their fearless throwing.


Just curious what was your old handle?
 
ryanmkeane : 9/21/2022 7:47 pm : link
This guy needs to be released or traded at all costs.
RE: RE: Maybe the beat writers could do their jobs  
Snablats : 9/21/2022 7:53 pm : link
In comment 15826903 Red Right Hand said:
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In comment 15826698 Snablats said:


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and find out what is going on between KG and the coaching staff



There is some mystery there to you? I don't understand. Why are Brian Dabbol's and Kenny Golladay's comments not to be taken at face value? If they are, why is there a mystery? I don't see what's hard to understand.

Nothing a coach or player says in this type of issue is to be taken at face value. Daboll says KG is working hard and being professional. If that is true then why isnt he playing? Clearly there is more to the story
RE: …  
GiantGrit : 9/21/2022 7:56 pm : link
In comment 15826927 ryanmkeane said:
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This guy needs to be released or traded at all costs.


Feels like its turning to a staring contest between both sides.
Golliday Not Happy.......  
johnboyw : 9/21/2022 8:06 pm : link
A lot of tough talk from a very expensive guy who hasn’t done a damn thing since they signed him. It sounds like he just expected he’d play because he’s Kenny Golliday and signed a $72M contract. This is exactly what he needs. To be humiliated.

One of two things will happen. He’ll either snap out of it and start producing or somehow he’ll be gone. I’m fine with either option.
RE: …  
adamg : 9/21/2022 8:14 pm : link
In comment 15826927 ryanmkeane said:
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This guy needs to be released or traded at all costs.


Why? Who gives a shit what he says? He can pout all he wants. The team is in control of (t)his situation.
If he wants to play ...  
short lease : 9/21/2022 8:21 pm : link
maybe he should show up and work hard in practice.

When a coach says "playing time has to be earned" and you see high paid guys sitting on the bench - everybody knows he must be dogging it in practice and possibly showing up, not knowing the playbook.

Sit there Kenny and enjoy the view from the bench during your last year with the Giants.

Didn't some Detroit fans say "Good luck with that guy"?
If he was happy  
WillieYoung : 9/21/2022 8:27 pm : link
it would be news. Bad news for him.
Golladay should be put on all the special teams  
kelly : 9/21/2022 9:22 pm : link
He isn't contributing as a receiver.

And I don't get why when we are talking about Golladay somehow DJ gets dragged into it.

Golladay is not producing on the field for whatever reason, it doesn't matter. We can't stop someone who isn't productive just because they make big bucks.

Signing Golladay has been a disaster. Money wasted that could have bought us two or three quality free agents starters. Think how much better we would be.

Golladay had head and health issues in Detroit and we still signed him. Just terrible signing.
Love's response makes no sense.  
kelly : 9/21/2022 9:27 pm : link
I have never heard of a team not playing their number one receiver as part of their offensive game plan!

Let's get real.
Joe judge was all tough talk  
Joe Judge : 9/21/2022 9:29 pm : link
Dabol is the real deal, get good or get the fukout
Make your list of bad free agent signings from the Gettleman reign  
Jimmy Googs : 9/21/2022 9:58 pm : link
No, excuse me, let’s go with just awful. Bad would be too long of a list.

I still think Solder is #1 on the list because it really showed how clueless Gettleman was. I know many here took a while to see it, but this was exhibit A

Golladay is a very close #2 based on how little he has played and how useless he has been with Jones.

Who’s next?

RE: Make your list of bad free agent signings from the Gettleman reign  
section125 : 9/21/2022 10:04 pm : link
In comment 15827051 Jimmy Googs said:
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No, excuse me, let’s go with just awful. Bad would be too long of a list.

I still think Solder is #1 on the list because it really showed how clueless Gettleman was. I know many here took a while to see it, but this was exhibit A

Golladay is a very close #2 based on how little he has played and how useless he has been with Jones.

Who’s next?


I'd say Stewart was the most useless..but it was relatively cheap.

If Golladay is gone after this season with little to show I will say his was the worst over Solder. At least Solder got on the field, as bad as it was.


RE: Make your list of bad free agent signings from the Gettleman reign  
Returning Video Tapes : 9/21/2022 10:50 pm : link
In comment 15827051 Jimmy Googs said:
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No, excuse me, let’s go with just awful. Bad would be too long of a list.

I still think Solder is #1 on the list because it really showed how clueless Gettleman was. I know many here took a while to see it, but this was exhibit A

Golladay is a very close #2 based on how little he has played and how useless he has been with Jones.

Who’s next?


Solder stunk, but at least his play rapidly jumped off the cliff and it was a calculated risk with a HOF QB.

Golladay is unforgivable for a few reasons. A - this clown was gonna trade for him until Judge took the keys from gramps. B - he outbud himself on money and years after the dude had friggin hip surgery
RE: Easily forgotten but KG actually got off to a decent start last year  
BSIMatt : 9/21/2022 11:15 pm : link
In comment 15826688 shyster said:
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First four games: 16 catches on 27 targets at 16.5 yds per catch.

Not setting world on fire but very respectable.

Then KG got hurt, missed three games, came back for three quiet games before Jones got hurt.

If the issue now were actually a matter of Jones not wanting to throw to KG, how to explain those 27 targets in the first four games of 2021?

The most plausible explanation is that KG is another year slower and further down the hill.

He's three years removed from the year that got him the big contract. A lot of guys are NFL old at 28.


Nice post.
Does this sound like a guy who's hurting, or dogging it?  
Klaatu : 9/22/2022 7:31 am : link
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Kenny Golladay flashed some impressive athleticism today in practice. An out route led him to the sideline at full speed, so Golladay and Darnay Holmes hurdled a waist-high cooler simultaneously.


The Golladay situation is perplexing to me. I wish I knew just what the problems are between him and Daboll. It just seems to me that the Giants are wasting a guy who could (the operative word) be an asset to the offense.
It sounds like perhaps the player got the msg  
JonC : 9/22/2022 8:25 am : link
bust your butt in practice, demonstrate you understand your assignments and want to be part of the gameday solution, and you'll see the field.

It's not rocket science.
Talk is cheap....show me on the field you deserve to be playing  
Rick in Dallas : 9/22/2022 9:11 am : link
KG has to be DG's worst FA signing
It is odd  
RicFlair : 9/22/2022 9:13 am : link
If like he says the coaches are telling him he’s doing everything right.
Listen to the bell Golladay…  
Jimmy Googs : 9/22/2022 9:14 am : link
if tolls for thee.

Wake up and make a few plays on Monday night for your teammates, and stop being an ass…
RE: It is odd  
BigBlueShock : 9/22/2022 9:26 am : link
In comment 15827188 RicFlair said:
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If like he says the coaches are telling him he’s doing everything right.

There have been reports all summer of the coaching staff getting on Golladay in practices at times. Reporters have mentioned a lack of effort at times. Do you honestly believe Daboll has told him he’s doing everything right?
RE: It is odd  
Jimmy Googs : 9/22/2022 9:39 am : link
In comment 15827188 RicFlair said:
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If like he says the coaches are telling him he’s doing everything right.


It is odd you cannot see through this statement by the very actions Daboll has taken…
He was a poor fit  
HomerJones45 : 9/22/2022 10:25 am : link
he's with a qb that cannot take advantage of what Golladay has to offer. Jones can't make the back shoulder throw, can't throw the comebacker, can't throw the 10 yard out and can't throw the corner fade. Those are routes where Golladay's size can make a difference. He took the money without considering the limitations of the guy throwing the ball; that's on him and his agent. So, if he is unhappy and wants out c'est l'vie.

His 2020 season is misrepresented here. He caught 20 passes in 4 games for near 17 yards a catch and 2 td's. He caught 2/3 of the passes sent in his direction. He hasn't come close to those numbers here. You guys act like he's 35. He is not yet 29.

Apparently, some of you have learned a new term "separation". This is the NFL. It is rare for a wideout not named Kupp or Jefferson to consistently separate at this level. Unfortunately, the qb is not good in those situations which is part of the reason he has so much trouble completing passes in the red zone. Golladay is a bad fit here for the qb's skills.
RE: It sounds like perhaps the player got the msg  
HomerJones45 : 9/22/2022 1:41 pm : link
In comment 15827150 JonC said:
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bust your butt in practice, demonstrate you understand your assignments and want to be part of the gameday solution, and you'll see the field.

It's not rocket science.
and watch the qb throw 5 yard slants and 4 yard outs to slugs Shepard and James because that is what he wants to and can do. You guys act like Golladay can throw the ball to himself.

The team should bite the bullet, eat what they have to on the contract and trade Golladay to GB or wherever for whatever they can get before his agent tells him to take care of his body, sit on the bench, collect his paychecks and the agent will get him out of here in the offseason.
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