The Braves and Phillies play later today. Mets are off today and up by a game with some issues to deal with:
-Nimmo's left quad tightness
-Marte's finger is still on the mend
-McNeil took a lickin' n kept on tickin' (twice yesterday)
Here's who's on the mound tomorrow:
Let's consolidate today's news in one thread today. Yesterday's game thread might get buried. Share any news about any of these situation and more here please. Toodles!
"his decision is based more on what his comfort level is"
i think it means that he's not a "big city guy" and would be more comfortable closer to where he lives (florida).
i also think all the noise from jdg all year has been smokescreen to make sure it's clear there will be no hometown discount.
it seems clear he's steamed at the perceived hometown discount he gave the mets and his former agent the first time, i find it hard to believe he's going somewhere else for a hometown discount but i guess you never know. i still find it amazing freeman left atlanta.
"his decision is based more on what his comfort level is"
Referring to the market aka not loving NY
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It will be tough with Oakland throwing 3 LH starters at them, while Mets are missing Marte, the one guy in the lineup who really consistently hits lefties.
But very likely, the division comes down to showdown in Atlanta with the Braves. Buck set up the rotation to have mets three best pitchers going against Braves: Bassitt, Scherzer and Degrom
Would be a nice series to see Vientos bust out. 2 of oak's starters are basically AAA pitchers. Waldichuk has only made 4 big league starts (7 era), Sears has made 8 and done better but obviously still early in his career. Irvin is experienced but he is also the opposite of overpowering. 91 mph fb, 19th percentile exit velocity allowed. reverse splits for his career but probably couldn't set up a better 3 straight matchups for a rhh.
I think Vientos is going to need about 150 ABs. He has been right on some pitches but is just missing them.
i don't expect there's anything he can do in another 10-20 at bats this year. next year unless he has a crazy spring i would think he'll start in the minors to play every day and then come up when he's hot.
knowing what we know now of how they view his defensive versatility though it's that much more frustrating they didn't give him the 50-100 at bats in june/july when they had the chance to. or trade him for a meaningful piece.
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"his decision is based more on what his comfort level is"
Referring to the market aka not loving NY
sayonara, don't let the door hit you on the ass.
though situations like this always remind me when Roger Clemens became a FA with the Red Sox and said he was not going to re-sign in Boston because he wanted to be closer to home (Texas) and then he signed with the Blue Jays.
I just hope the Mets ride him as much as they can this stretch run and playoffs.
Once he announced he was opting out I figured he was gone, but that also means no kid gloves if i were running things - especially down the stretch and in the playoffs (think Matt Harvey).
of course a 40% k-rate is bad but the % numbers are meaningless in a 20 plate appearance sample size. 1 less K =35%, 2 less = 30%. the 10% walk rate is more encouraging than the 40% k rate but again 1 more or less in either direction entirely distorts it. He's had less than half the plate appearances baty had and he was still in a SSS. then add in the extra context that vientos has only had a handful of starts, has had to pinch hit a bunch, and didn't just get to just play every day like baty did.
JD Davis has a 38% k-rate with the SFG in 113 plate appearances since the deadline and a 129 RC / 808 ops because he also has 5 homers.
points being if you can hit with power it can cover up some warts and more often than not there are going to be growing pains with young players that can only be overcome by playing through it - which could have happened for vientos if he'd gotten more playing time when they had the chance because the batted ball data is already showing up.
I have a hard time believing that Steve Cohen will come in 2nd place for deGrom's services on the open market. Ultimately I think Jake will have to take less money to leave here which is why I don't see it happening. Maybe that's just my heart talking.
As far as opting out goes, he had to do that because Mets have a team option for 2024, so if Jake had not opted out he would have lost all leverage in negotiating a longterm deal.
So opting out is not at all a sign of whether he will stay. He was always going to opt out (unless he had a career-ending injury)
defensively? i would think there's more positive impact for pull side power hitters since they are generally the most easily shifted.
As far as opting out goes, he had to do that because Mets have a team option for 2024, so if Jake had not opted out he would have lost all leverage in negotiating a longterm deal.
So opting out is not at all a sign of whether he will stay. He was always going to opt out (unless he had a career-ending injury)
agreed. 99.9% of the time it's $.
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piece from Eno today. Data suggests the new rules will hurt "bigger/slower" 2b/3b. This won't impact McNeil (he doesn't fit that) but it could impact Baty and/or Vientos.
defensively? i would think there's more positive impact for pull side power hitters since they are generally the most easily shifted.
Yes. Defensively
Helped the most: Corey Seager, Rowdy Tellez, Matt Olson, Kyle Schwarber, Max Muncy, Shohei Ohtani, Max Kepler, Jared Walsh
Hurt the most: Patrick Wisdom, Nolan Gorman, Luis Rengifo, Harold Castro, Alec Bohm
Doesn't mean he necessarily wants to leave, it just means he wants to be paid more and he knows the new boss can make it so. Does anyone think Cohen doesn't care if he loses deGrom? Especially to the braves?
Furthermore, re. the Braves, do they have a history of paying a shitload for older FA pitchers? And as far as geography, yes Atlanta is closer to his home in Deland FL, but it's not like it's a quick drive. It's about 6.5 hours.
I also think he may be enjoying his team right now, the atmosphere and playing with guys like Scherzer. He's a simple man, and provided the money is right, he might not want to start playing for another franchise at this stage of his career. You think Tom Glavine would've chosen to leave the Braves to come to the Mets if the Braves still wanted him and the money was the same?
Only time will tell, and if the wiponzi's still owned the team, I would say he's bye bye, but with Cohen I like our chances.
deGrom
Doesn't mean he necessarily wants to leave, it just means he wants to be paid more and he knows the new boss can make it so. Does anyone think Cohen doesn't care if he loses deGrom? Especially to the braves?
Furthermore, re. the Braves, do they have a history of paying a shitload for older FA pitchers? And as far as geography, yes Atlanta is closer to his home in Deland FL, but it's not like it's a quick drive. It's about 6.5 hours.
I also think he may be enjoying his team right now, the atmosphere and playing with guys like Scherzer. He's a simple man, and provided the money is right, he might not want to start playing for another franchise at this stage of his career. You think Tom Glavine would've chosen to leave the Braves to come to the Mets if the Braves still wanted him and the money was the same?
Only time will tell, and if the wiponzi's still owned the team, I would say he's bye bye, but with Cohen I like our chances.
I believe it's been noted it's only something like an hour on a plane.
If Cohen really wants deGrom to stay, I think most likely it will happen. Not only can Cohen afford to pay deGrom, but he seems like the type who will sell staying to deGrom.
Sell the possibility of a couple championships and that he can be an all time legend with the Mets, maybe even have a statue some day. He won't get that going to the braves or TX.
I believe it's been noted it's only something like an hour on a plane.
Yeah it's an hour vs. probably about 2.5 or so from NY?
I guess we'll find out eventually how important that is vs. the other stuff.
Sell the possibility of a couple championships and that he can be an all time legend with the Mets, maybe even have a statue some day. He won't get that going to the braves or TX.
He might get a championship, but he won't be a legend to those fans or potentially have a statue some day. deGrom sees how Tom Seaver and Piazza are revered. Who wouldn't want that? Is deGrom going to get that by going to the braves or whatever team at age 35? His standing with Mets fans will be diminished and he probably won't earn similar love from the new fans.
I think Cohen will sell those things, if he wants deGrom to stay.
Everything else is noise.
Everything else is noise.
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According to team president and acting general manager Sandy Alderson, who spoke to reporters prior to the Mets-Marlins series opener in Miami on Tuesday, deGrom had a sprained/partially torn UCL in his right elbow.
deGrom
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"I know what was said, but my ligament is perfectly fine," deGrom said. "I’ve been throwing. So I wouldn’t be throwing if I had a compromised ligament. That’s the plan, to continue to throw and build up and see where we end up. And that’s all I’m going to say."
Whatever organizational flaws deGrom has dealt with over his career with the Mets so far, I’m sure he can realize that we’re basically already talking about a different organization at this point, with even more changes coming.
If the money from the Mets is more than he’s getting elsewhere, are some off base comments Sandy Alderson made (who will no longer be here by the way) realistically getting in the way?
Winning the division almost certainly means playing one less series, you can't overstate how important that is. I'll be incredibly disappointed if the Mets don't take the division. It would give them 5 days off, they can set up whatever rotation they like, it's an enormous benefit to get the bye.
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I'm not as caught up in winning the division as others here. Don't get me wrong, it'd be great, but it's not the end of the world if the Bravos finish ahead of us. I don't think they will, but hey, who knows.
Winning the division almost certainly means playing one less series, you can't overstate how important that is. I'll be incredibly disappointed if the Mets don't take the division. It would give them 5 days off, they can set up whatever rotation they like, it's an enormous benefit to get the bye.
Especially with Marte's finger issue
In 2019 at age 31, he was "only" making 7 million.
In his entire career, he has only made 120 million (including this year).
Considering he is one of the most dominant pitchers of all time that is not that much.
He will definitely be looking for a 7 rear deal. Probably in the neighborhood of 300 million.
I have a feeling Mets are going to look to move Lindor after 2024 season, so that he does not obtain 5 and 10 status. That's basically where Jake's money will come from.
Canha
deGrom
Escobar
Bassitt
deGrom
Nimmo
Carrasco
Walker
Diaz
Scherzer
May
Ottavino
Williams
Lugo
Ruf
Naquin
The Mets have absolutely no need to trade Francisco Lindor
And yet another black mark on the Sandy Dumbass ledger, pissing off deGrom
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NEWS: Brandon Nimmo had an MRI today & the results came back clean. He is day-to-day. #LGM
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NEWS: Brandon Nimmo had an MRI today & the results came back clean. He is day-to-day. #LGM
that is good news. hopefully he doesn't miss more than a few games...
It's more important to me that we get things right for the postseason. Start resting guys and nurse the various injuries already (but get them key AB's to remain sharp and still have their timing down!). Start planning the playoff rotations for the starters. Get the pen rested, but ready and sharp. Start thinking about the matchups.
As far as I'm concerned we passed the big test against the Dodgers already a few weeks back. We CAN hang with them. As long as we don't lay an egg against the Bravos in the penultimate series, we'll be aight.
Bottom 8th just starting. Still 1-0, Phillies ahead. Phillies coming up to bat.
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They may still yet lose, but at least they aren't rolling over tonight...
Bottom 8th just starting. Still 1-0, Phillies ahead. Phillies coming up to bat.
Bottom 9th now starting, still 1-0, Phillies ahead. Pray.
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They may still yet lose, but at least they aren't rolling over tonight...
Bottom 8th just starting. Still 1-0, Phillies ahead. Phillies coming up to bat.
Bottom 9th now starting, still 1-0, Phillies ahead. Pray.
Phillies won, 1-0.
If the Mets enter the Atlanta series anything more than 1 game up, they only need to win 1 of 3 to exit the series in first place.
It would be great if Phils take first two
17-22 without him
Yeah I know, no big mystery a team is better when it's best players are in the lineup but given how large the discrepancy was, it is noteworthy.
Braves have really good players but 42 games over with him playing and 5 under without shows how important he actually is to that team.