and to be clear this isn't about Jones or what the Giants should do or not do.
The argument about getting a QB, and what happens if we draft 15th or so has been mentioned a lot recently. Well, let's look at some possibilities that may play into our favor next year or at least help if we did want to move up.
Keep in mind there are a few teams with multiple picks but one of them, Miami, lost a pick with the Brady tampering issue. That means there are only 31 1st rd picks this year.
There are a number of teams that are struggling right now:
Atlanta- they might be in the market or Desmond Ridder could be their guy and they look elsewhere.
Tenenssee- they have Willis, will they commit to him or look to get someone else?
las Vegas- Carr is there and as long as he plays well they will most likely stick with him but, they could be willing to deal him if they decide to draft a guy.
Cincinnati- no chance they take a QB
Indianapolis- needs a QB so seeing them start winning games would be in our favor.
Houston (2 picks in RD 1)- should be in the QB market BUT they do like Mills and are unpredictable.
Philadelphia (2 picks)- minus a collapse by Hurts seems like they will not go QB.
LAC- very set at QB.
Pitts- seems to be set with Pickett
Arizona- big money to Murray, not going QB
Detroit (2 picks)- needs a QB, at least it appears that way.
Seattle (2 picks)- needs a QB
Washington- hmm, WC here as they like Howell.
New England- they have Jones
Dallas- seems set with Prescott and $$$$ make it a not likely idea they draft a QB.
Chicago- they have Fields unless he really fails to develop.
Ny Jets- would they pull the plug on Zach Wilson already? I suspect not.
Vikings- might be in the market for a QB depending on what happens this year.
Ravens- all depends on Jackson's contract and what happens there. I doubt they let him slip away but a boatload of picks (Seattle, Detroit) might do it.
Dolphins (had 2 picks, lost 1)- not going QB.
Jags- NO
Packers- Doubtful if Rogers stays, if he leaves then most likely.
Giants- obviously
Bills- no
Bucs- Most likely yes but probably FA/Trade- could see Rogers here for a season after Brady...
Chiefs- No
* so we ant teams like the Bengals, Bears, Jags, Titans (maybe), Falcons (maybe) and Raiders to struggle . The more teams set or appear to be set at QB finish in the bottom half the better chance we have at getting a QB we absolutely want.
Let's just wait and see.
If not, we know the brainstrust like Levis out of Kentucky.
If not, we know the brainstrust like Levis out of Kentucky.
Who likes Levis?
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If so...he might be our guy in 2023.
If not, we know the brainstrust like Levis out of Kentucky.
Who likes Levis?
I've now heard that from a few different sources.
I don't know any more than the next guy, but, as I said, I've seen this before.
You can't force the QB pick which is what I believe happened with Jones. If a guy you like is there try and move up to get him, but if not, there are plenty of places on this team to build while we figure out QB.
If not, we know the brainstrust like Levis out of Kentucky.
If Baltimore can't sign Jackson, they'll tag him. They're not letting him hit the market in 2023.
You can't force the QB pick which is what I believe happened with Jones. If a guy you like is there try and move up to get him, but if not, there are plenty of places on this team to build while we figure out QB.
I think most have come to looking at it this way. I think the QB with upside changes the equation for who starts in 2023. You get a guy you really want he gets on the field right away. You get a guy who you recognize has some flaws and needs time you need a better placeholder than Taylor for 2023 imv.
It isn't about JOnes, but he also isn't under contract next year.. So we obviously will be in the market for a QB - even if it is JOnes. So for now, we have to assume we do not have one.
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If so...he might be our guy in 2023.
If not, we know the brainstrust like Levis out of Kentucky.
If Baltimore can't sign Jackson, they'll tag him. They're not letting him hit the market in 2023.
He can be tagged for the next 2 years. End of discussion.
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If so...he might be our guy in 2023.
If not, we know the brainstrust like Levis out of Kentucky.
If Baltimore can't sign Jackson, they'll tag him. They're not letting him hit the market in 2023.
Completely disagree with this. If Lamar feels slighted and tells Baltimore he's not signing with them, Baltimore would be dumb not to trade him at that point.
Seattle and Houston have no QB to build around, will likely pick top 5, and have far more assets than Giants to move up if necessary. So Giants may be looking at QB 3 or 4 at best. Early indications for this draft suggest that could be a step down from DJ.
Jackson is the only QB that I see available as 2023 FA that would be an upgrade.
Jones has to show he’s coachable and he has to win some games AND not demand an unreasonable contract.
Ergo,even money he’s back.
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In comment 15827492 GiantBlue said:
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If so...he might be our guy in 2023.
If not, we know the brainstrust like Levis out of Kentucky.
Who likes Levis?
I've now heard that from a few different sources.
I don't know any more than the next guy, but, as I said, I've seen this before.
where?
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In comment 15827492 GiantBlue said:
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If so...he might be our guy in 2023.
If not, we know the brainstrust like Levis out of Kentucky.
If Baltimore can't sign Jackson, they'll tag him. They're not letting him hit the market in 2023.
Completely disagree with this. If Lamar feels slighted and tells Baltimore he's not signing with them, Baltimore would be dumb not to trade him at that point.
If he’s not under contract,you can’t trade him.
You can't force the QB pick which is what I believe happened with Jones. If a guy you like is there try and move up to get him, but if not, there are plenty of places on this team to build while we figure out QB.
It's why I've felt we should have seriously considered one last spring. There are gems in every draft. Just because the 'pundits' said last spring's QB class sucked and this spring's QB class is 'gold', doesn't make it so. We had the confluence of multiple high picks, 'scuttlebutt' about the '22 and '23 QB class, and various team needs across the league to work things in our favor. I always had this feeling we wouldn't have a high pick next spring, and the supposed 'gold' QB class next spring isn't going to pan out. It kinda' works out that way, more often than not. We've been in such a big mess the past few years, we needed to be thinking outside the box. Though young, Schoen kinda' strikes me as an old-school kinda' guy.
Lewis Kentucky
Jefferson Arkansas
Penix Washington
Richardson Florida
Obviously Young and Stroud are top 5 picks and a run on QBs could add some from above in the top 10.
I was hoping this would be a tank year but I think we need to trade a big package to get one of the top guys if not this draft in the future.
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If so...he might be our guy in 2023.
If not, we know the brainstrust like Levis out of Kentucky.
Who likes Levis?
I've now heard that from a few different sources.
I don't know any more than the next guy, but, as I said, I've seen this before.
You have "heard that from a few different sources"? Inside the Giants organization? Unless that is the "source" I wish people would stop saying this. Sources are people with inside knowledge. Most who claim this have just read posts on social media, or tweets from reporters speculating that because he is a QB, and many think the Giants MUST draft a QB, they are interested in him. Especially since his size is similar to Allen. It's probably mostly posts from people on this board.
The only "sources" who could reliably state this are inside the organization. None of this has come from the Giants. They have barely started the appraisal process. I would wager they have interest in just about every QB who might go in the first 3 or 4 rounds. Reading something on social media is not "hearing it from sources". It's repeating what you read somewhere, which is fine. Just say that.
Very informative
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If so...he might be our guy in 2023.
If not, we know the brainstrust like Levis out of Kentucky.
Who likes Levis?
Giants were apparently in attendance for the FL-KY game two weeks ago. I want to say Schoen was leading the charge...
Let us see what DJ does this year before we go overboard on the need for a QB from this years crop of QBs. I trust in Schoen and the staff assessment of those QB's coming out this year. If Jones isn't the answer then it is a must to try and find his successor in the upcoming draft. Keep DJ or move on from him is a key priority of the Giants this season besides winning.
If not, we know the brainstrust like Levis out of Kentucky.
Sorry, but this team is so full of holes that they cannot afford to trade away copious picks for a QB.
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The days of just hoping to get the first pick in order to secure a franchise potential QB is antiquated. Savvy GM’s maneuver the draft all the time for QB. The Chiefs as a playoff team landed Mahomes. Schoen can tap into future assets to get the player he covets.
Sorry, but this team is so full of holes that they cannot afford to trade away copious picks for a QB.
I disagree. If there is a QB they like enough who can be a franchise altering player, you absolutely go get him.
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The days of just hoping to get the first pick in order to secure a franchise potential QB is antiquated. Savvy GM’s maneuver the draft all the time for QB. The Chiefs as a playoff team landed Mahomes. Schoen can tap into future assets to get the player he covets.
Sorry, but this team is so full of holes that they cannot afford to trade away copious picks for a QB.
I disagree. If there is a QB they like enough who can be a franchise altering player, you absolutely go get him.
I disagree - there are no franchise altering QBs in this draft and you are not getting one after the 15 pick with the garbage coming out of the NCAA this year.
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In comment 15827492 GiantBlue said:
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If so...he might be our guy in 2023.
If not, we know the brainstrust like Levis out of Kentucky.
Who likes Levis?
Giants were apparently in attendance for the FL-KY game two weeks ago. I want to say Schoen was leading the charge...
We know Schoen likes Levis because he went to scout him? He was also scouting Richardson and a bunch of other players
And Levis hasnt looked so hot thus far
Which is what I've been saying
And if there are teams ahead of the Giants in the draft who need QBs, say goodbye to Stroud and Young, because those teams wont trade out
Add in that there arent many quality QBs floating around the league and it adds up to what Ive been saying - Jones may be the best option next season
The Giants have a bunch of guys now who know what to look for in a QB. If they like someone, they’ll make the necessary moves to get there.
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The days of just hoping to get the first pick in order to secure a franchise potential QB is antiquated. Savvy GM’s maneuver the draft all the time for QB. The Chiefs as a playoff team landed Mahomes.
Exactly, it's how the Niners landed Trey Lance, the Bears landed Mitch Trubisky and Justin Fields, the Redskins landed RG3, the Rams landed Jared Goff, the Eagles landed Carson Wentz, the Jaguars landed Blaine Gabbert, the Broncos landed Jay Cutler, and the Jets landed Mark Sanchez and Sam Darnold...so, yeah, if Schoen has a conviction on the next Sam Darnold or Mark Sanchez, he only needs to look across the facility at the Jets to see how to get it done!
No, you arent allowed to name the 1st round failures. You can only mention Allen and Mahomes
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If Schoen covets a QB, look no further than the journey the playoff-surprise 2018 Bills took to draft draft question mark Josh Allen.
And if Sam Darnold was still available, who would the Bills have taken?
Sam Darnold. The Bills were aggressively pursuing a trade with the Colts.
And if Darnold goes to Buffalo with Daboll and Dorsey, I suspect his NFL career is markedly different.
A great quarterback is the product of the right talent and right coaching.
We’ve all seen what Daboll and Kafka can do with paired with high talent QBs.
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The days of just hoping to get the first pick in order to secure a franchise potential QB is antiquated. Savvy GM’s maneuver the draft all the time for QB. The Chiefs as a playoff team landed Mahomes.
Exactly, it's how the Niners landed Trey Lance, the Bears landed Mitch Trubisky and Justin Fields, the Redskins landed RG3, the Rams landed Jared Goff, the Eagles landed Carson Wentz, the Jaguars landed Blaine Gabbert, the Broncos landed Jay Cutler, and the Jets landed Mark Sanchez and Sam Darnold...so, yeah, if Schoen has a conviction on the next Sam Darnold or Mark Sanchez, he only needs to look across the facility at the Jets to see how to get it done!
Funny you don’t include the Cardinals trading up for Josh Rosen.
Giants were apparently in attendance for the FL-KY game two weeks ago. I want to say Schoen was leading the charge...
We know Schoen likes Levis because he went to scout him? He was also scouting Richardson and a bunch of other players
And Levis hasnt looked so hot thus far
I was just providing information to Googs that the Giants were in attendance to watch the Kentucky-Florida game. It would seem they were there to watch the QBs.
For the most part, I like what I've seen from Levis so far.
Kentucky has had some key turnover on the offense from last year to this year. And they don't get the 4+ stars that the Bamas, Ohio States, Georgias, etc of the world. So, I think the Wildcat offense is going through growing pains.
This a great question. And by extension why would it be so hard to replace him with a much cheaper alternative?
Better offers elsewhere?
And posters have the nerve to pretend there isn't an active DJFC on BBI.
Because Jones hasn't had _______ or _______ or ________ or _________ etc.
You fill in the blanks.
Our owner certainly did...
Prospects are determined during the meaningful games and the post season process. Making a determination about quarterback prospects less than a week into the Fall is hilarious.
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Giants were apparently in attendance for the FL-KY game two weeks ago. I want to say Schoen was leading the charge...
We know Schoen likes Levis because he went to scout him? He was also scouting Richardson and a bunch of other players
And Levis hasnt looked so hot thus far
I was just providing information to Googs that the Giants were in attendance to watch the Kentucky-Florida game. It would seem they were there to watch the QBs.
For the most part, I like what I've seen from Levis so far.
Kentucky has had some key turnover on the offense from last year to this year. And they don't get the 4+ stars that the Bamas, Ohio States, Georgias, etc of the world. So, I think the Wildcat offense is going through growing pains.
You wrote "we know the braintrust likes Levis out of Kentucky"
That's a quote from you. Fact is we don't know if they like him or not. We do know that they scouted him along with Richardson and a bunch of other players at that game