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NFT: Mets chat - Phils beat Braves; Mets @ A's today; 11 to go

Optimus-NY : 9/23/2022 9:28 am
Mets got a HUGE assist from the Phillies, courtesy of Ranger Suárez & company, in their 1-0 defeat of the Braves. Atlanta still has another game in hand on the Mets, but they needed to win them both to stay with the Mets in the loss column. The standings now look like this in the NL East with only 11 games left to go for the Mets in the regular season (the Mets' magic # is 11 btw):



The Braves will make up their remaining game in hand on September 26th in D.C. against the Nats (see below):



The Braves and Mets are each off six days form now on the 29th, and then play their big three-game series in Atlanta. The Mets are off on the 26th as well, giving them three off-days in the span of eight days (September 22nd, 26th, and 29th). Here are their other remaining opponents though the end of regular season:



It's imperative that they sweep the Triple A's in Oakland. Zero excuses for them not to, particularly with their Big 3 on the mound in Bassitt, deGromi, & Scherzer (in that order). Hopefully the Phils can win a 2nd game too to help the Mets even more in case the Marlins win one of the two in New York next week on Tuesday or Wednesday.

It looks like the Mets will miss Alcantara's turn in the Marlins' rotation since he's pitching Saturday against the Nats. Another HUGE assist. Had there been a third game to conclude the upcoming Marlins series at Citi Field, they would have. Things are lining up as favorably as possible now.

Tiebreaker-wise, the Mets have a 9-7 edge on the Braves head to head. If they were to win just one game against them, then they'd have an overall 10-9 edge to end the regular season, thereby giving them the division if they each end the regular season with the same record. So, if the Mets were to head to Atlanta up a game against the Braves, then they'd be guaranteed to still be in command of the division if they win just one game there.

The Mets have their top 3 pitching in Atlanta--in the same order that we'll see them lined up against Oakland for this series:



Hopefully the Phillies can help the Mets out by winning one more game in this four-game series against Atlanta in Philly. Here are the probable starters for the remaining three games:


Probable Starting pitchers for Braves at Phillies from 9/23 to 9/25

Bottom line: the Mets got they help they needed. They did well to win 2 of 3 from a desperate Brewers club in Milwaukee, and are now out west playing the second worst team in all of MLB, aside the Nats. Here are the three lefties that the Mets will face over the next three games:



The Mets will be sans Vogelbach for this series unless and until the games gets into the bullpen, so it's time for Ruf and Vientos to step up. Bassitt gets to pitch against the club that traded him, so he'll some extra adrenaline flowing for this one.

Win these next five in a row and get rested, and the Mets are right where they need to be. Hopefully McNeil is ok for this series because they'll need him. Nimmo is day-to-day (see below):

*Brandon Nimmo’s MRI Clean; Day-to-Day with Quad Tightness - By Patrick Glynn

We're still waiting to see what happens with Marte too with his broken right middle finger (occurred 17 days ago). Check out the article below for other related notes:
*Mets Morning News: Phillies help Mets out, Nimmo MRI comes back clean - By Vasilis Drimalitis | Sept. 23, 2022 | 8:30am EDT | amazinavenue.com


By the time the Mets game starts in Oakland, the Barfs and Phils should be in the 7th inning or so. We should do a separate game-thread for the Mets and Triple A's since it's so long from now and will be late for folks on the West Coast and/or people overseas. Links to follow of course.

Let's consolidate any other Mets and Mets related news here on this thread since it's a long wait until the game later (9:40 pm EST first pitch). Braves and Phillies are scheduled to play at 7:05 pm EST later in Philly, so we can chat about it here if you'd like too as well as any other news that pops up between now and then.

Toodles for now :-)

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Here are tomorrow' & Sunday's starting pitching matchups:  
Optimus-NY : 9/23/2022 10:41 pm : link
RE: Let's gooooo,!  
Optimus-NY : 9/23/2022 10:41 pm : link
In comment 15829004 allstarjim said:
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Mets win tonight it's 2.5 up!

Vientos with the BB.

Why do they keep showing this lady in the yellow shirt creepily smiling at the camera? Did I miss something?


I saw that creepy lady too, lol.
That creepy girl is wearing a shirt that says “smile”  
Chris684 : 9/23/2022 10:44 pm : link
And she has that sinister smile going every time the camera is on her.

She must be a big fan of that horror movie that’s out right now.
Bassitt's retired ten straight. Here's his line through 4 innings:  
Optimus-NY : 9/23/2022 10:46 pm : link
44 P (27 S)
0 ER (0 R)
1 H
1 BB
1 K

3.24 ERA

Hope he can throw 7 innings vs. his old team so the bullpen can continue to stay rested. Bassitt's next start might be a week from now in Atlanta with off-days on the 26th and 29th.
RE: That creepy girl is wearing a shirt that says “smile”  
allstarjim : 9/23/2022 10:47 pm : link
In comment 15829009 Chris684 said:
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And she has that sinister smile going every time the camera is on her.

She must be a big fan of that horror movie that’s out right now.


Is that the backstory?

In case you missed it, it's a thing on Mets Twitter right now:

https://mobile.twitter.com/ag72345139/status/1573501129157132299
Granny Eduardo!  
allstarjim : 9/23/2022 10:54 pm : link
#LFGM!!!!
I take it she’s a fan of this movie  
Chris684 : 9/23/2022 10:54 pm : link

Smile - ( New Window )
Escoba, G.S. 7-0  
Dennis : 9/23/2022 10:54 pm : link
That's game over.
Vientos!  
allstarjim : 9/23/2022 10:56 pm : link
Love to see it!
Okay, I feel pretty good about this one.  
CooperDash : 9/23/2022 10:57 pm : link
Nice to see Vientos break out.

Please leave Ruf here in Oakland.
2.5 game lead  
Everyone Relax : 9/23/2022 10:58 pm : link
Sounds amazing right now. These last few weeks have been stressful
RE: I take it she’s a fan of this movie  
allstarjim : 9/23/2022 11:01 pm : link
In comment 15829015 Chris684 said:
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… Smile - ( New Window )


Well, I guess I applaud the unconventional marketing, lol.
As I said, this is the weekend to win the division  
Snablats : 9/23/2022 11:01 pm : link
And nice to see Vientos with a really solid hit
RE: I take it she’s a fan of this movie  
allstarjim : 9/23/2022 11:02 pm : link
In comment 15829015 Chris684 said:
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… Smile - ( New Window )


We've all seen the smile, now Chris.

Blink twice if you need help.
I can barely see anything but her  
allstarjim : 9/23/2022 11:08 pm : link
During the pitch.

She's still grinning. I hope she's getting paid for this.
Braves have lost three in a row!  
Optimus-NY : 9/23/2022 11:13 pm : link
Hat tip to Albert Pujols  
allstarjim : 9/23/2022 11:26 pm : link
700 Homers in his magnificent career, two tonight.

Fantastic. What a machine!
RE: Hat tip to Albert Pujols  
speedywheels : 9/23/2022 11:39 pm : link
In comment 15829030 allstarjim said:
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700 Homers in his magnificent career, two tonight.

Fantastic. What a machine!


Yes great for him!

BTW - I’ll gladly eat crow on Escobar- took him 5.5 months, but he finally got hot for a prolonged period of time. Better late than never.
Bassitt with 79 pitches thru 7  
speedywheels : 9/23/2022 11:45 pm : link
Let him get CG, buck!
Here's Bassitt's line through 7 innings:  
Optimus-NY : 9/23/2022 11:45 pm : link
79 P (48 S)
1 R (1 ER)
4 H
1 BB
1 K
0 HR

3.24 ERA

I'd assume that Bassitt's done for the night. No reason for him to go back out there. Drew Smith time? lol
Bassitt thru 8  
speedywheels : 9/23/2022 11:55 pm : link
May was warming up, so assume he’ll take the 9th
Bassitt's line through 8 IP:  
Optimus-NY : 9/24/2022 12:00 am : link
91 P (56 S)
2 R (2 ER)
6 H
1 BB
2 K
1 HR

3.27 ERA

Bassitt's night looks to be over. May was up in the pen before. Assuming the 9th is May's on his 33rd birthday.
Gary says Drew Smith's coming in for the 9th.  
Optimus-NY : 9/24/2022 12:08 am : link
Mop up duty. Good. It'd be a shame to waste May in case he's needed tomorrow and Sunday.
HP Ump just wanted the game to end there  
Optimus-NY : 9/24/2022 12:15 am : link
Short game. 2 hours and 31 minutes.
Fun win  
speedywheels : 9/24/2022 12:16 am : link
2.5!

Keep it going tomorrow, Jake…
Great game today.  
Optimus-NY : 9/24/2022 12:18 am : link


Oops! Meant to post this.  
Optimus-NY : 9/24/2022 12:19 am : link
Here are the division standings as of the end of the game:  
Optimus-NY : 9/24/2022 12:22 am : link
More Bassitt stats...  
Optimus-NY : 9/24/2022 12:24 am : link
Escobar's red hot this month:  
Optimus-NY : 9/24/2022 12:28 am : link
Buck's press conference is over now. Here are some points:  
Optimus-NY : 9/24/2022 12:39 am : link










exactly what the doctor ordered last night  
Eric on Li : 9/24/2022 9:09 am : link
need to keep foot on gas and get 3/4 now. should keep them at least 2 games ahead of atlanta going into that series putting them in nice position to deliver a knockout punch.

hilariously (or sadly?) all it took was 1 ho-hum 2/3 game and now vientos has more extra base hits than Darrin Ruf has had since august 18th (1-0). his 2 hits were also just 1 shy of Ruf's 3 total hits in that time period and the 2 rbis tie them.

i dont expect vientos to win a postseason spot but it starts to glimpse "what could have been". ruf did make a decent catch or 2 in RF and he takes good at bats off the bench so he's not a wasted piece, just not a piece who should have blocked a prospect with legitimate upside in the bat for as long as he did. and obviously the experience only helps make the org depth better because if there were some kind of injury you can start getting more comfortable about him (vientos) as an option.
RE: RE: Alvarez better be the real deal because  
Rory : 9/24/2022 10:06 am : link
In comment 15828985 Optimus-NY said:
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I really can’t take anymore of McCant and Nidont. Absolute zeros offensively.



McCan't and Nidon't


they aren't in there for their offense though. Defense and managing the game are also important factors.

Honestly I find that much more important especially with our pitching staff.
was discussing with my Mets fan friend yesterday..  
Rory : 9/24/2022 10:13 am : link
are any of our coaches at risk to be plunked by other teams.

I'm worried Chavez is going to get a hard look in the offseason.

I think Hefner is a Met for life.
I'm excited to see Baty and Alvarez take over at 3B & C, respectively.  
Optimus-NY : 9/24/2022 10:38 am : link
Ideally, I'd like to see that happen in 2024, but I doubt it works out that way. Escobar's play this entire month has been amazing. Truly amazing. McCann and Nido are excellent receivers, but two things about them can be questioned: (1) game calling ability and (2) getting runners out at the plate. The catcher who most impressed me this season with regards to calling a game was Perez. Seemed really solid in that department.

In any case, Baty and Alvarez will be critical to the Mets' future success. They're young, cheap, & cost controlled for 6 seasons. The Mets need more of that, especially with seemingly half the team being FA vets. If we're stuck with Escobar at 3rd for one more season and McCann & Nido at Catcher for 2023, then there are worse things that could happen.
RE: was discussing with my Mets fan friend yesterday..  
Optimus-NY : 9/24/2022 10:40 am : link
In comment 15829149 Rory said:
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are any of our coaches at risk to be plunked by other teams.

I'm worried Chavez is going to get a hard look in the offseason.

I think Hefner is a Met for life.


None of us would be sad to see Joey "send 'em all home" Cora find emplyment elsewhere, lol.
RE: RE: RE: Alvarez better be the real deal because  
CooperDash : 9/24/2022 10:48 am : link
In comment 15829144 Rory said:
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In comment 15828985 Optimus-NY said:


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In comment 15828982 CooperDash said:


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I really can’t take anymore of McCant and Nidont. Absolute zeros offensively.



McCan't and Nidon't



they aren't in there for their offense though. Defense and managing the game are also important factors. Honestly, I find that much more important especially with our pitching staff.


Well, not quite. I don't totally disagree with you but they need to be something remotely close to a major league hitter. They aren't. Nido is here (and has been here) because of his defense. But he's a zero offensively. That's fine for a backup - which is what he is, or should be.

McCann was absolutely brought here in large part because of his offense. And his offense has fallen off a cliff from the day he got here. And defensively, I'm not impressed. Statistically, he's a poor pitch framer and I really don't think he calls good games.

Depending on the number of plate appearances (which can be tough with catchers - I used 170 PAs so that it would include McCann) - there are 36 catchers with a higher wRC+ than Nido and 51 catchers higher than McCann. Kewin Plawecki is a better offensive catcher than James McCann - let that sink in for a minute.

James McCann has been an absolute loss. Poor on the offensive side and the defensive side. It happens, that's fine. But this team needs to sort out the catcher role (Alvarez, fingers crossed) and allow Nido to go back to the bench and fantasize about being a major league hitter.
Strider  
DanMetroMan : 9/24/2022 11:02 am : link
to the IL, will miss the Mets series
RE: Strider  
CooperDash : 9/24/2022 11:04 am : link
In comment 15829187 DanMetroMan said:
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to the IL, will miss the Mets series


Darn
Mets will start playoffs at home as a result of SD's loss yesterday.  
Optimus-NY : 9/24/2022 11:07 am : link



With the Padres’ loss tonight, The #Mets will officially begin their postseason at Citi Field because they can’t be any worse than the No. 4 seed in the NL. - ( New Window )
RE: Strider  
Optimus-NY : 9/24/2022 11:10 am : link
In comment 15829187 DanMetroMan said:
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to the IL, will miss the Mets series


hee-hee...

RE: Strider  
Ira : 9/24/2022 11:10 am : link
In comment 15829187 DanMetroMan said:
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to the IL, will miss the Mets series
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Losing Strider for the rest of the season is a big blow to the Braves.
Strider  
DanMetroMan : 9/24/2022 11:15 am : link
is a huge blow to their chances at the division obviously but Elder has been very good in his place. Last 2 starts 11.2 innings 12 k's 1 ER allowed.
RE: Strider  
speedywheels : 9/24/2022 11:15 am : link
In comment 15829187 DanMetroMan said:
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to the IL, will miss the Mets series


Gee, that’s such a shame….
National League Winning Magic Numbers  
Optimus-NY : 9/24/2022 11:22 am : link
Check this out...

The Dodgers' magic number to clinch the #1 seed in the NL playoffs is 3.


MLB - Week 25 of 27: National League Winning Magic Numbers - ( New Window )
Neither McCann nor Nido is that great defensively  
Snablats : 9/24/2022 11:55 am : link
Blocking balls, throwing runners out, calling a game, pitch framing - those are the 4 defensive items for a catcher

McCann can only throw runners out, the other three he is below average or worse

Nido can throw runners out and metrics apparently say he can frame pitches well - but that comes at the expense of blocking balls. He cant call a game, either

If Nido can hit even .240 it would be a plus. McCann making 10M is yet another major Sandy fail. Perez in his brief stint showed he was miles ahead of both defensively, but he cant hit
RE: Neither McCann nor Nido is that great defensively  
Optimus-NY : 9/24/2022 1:33 pm : link
In comment 15829238 Snablats said:
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Blocking balls, throwing runners out, calling a game, pitch framing - those are the 4 defensive items for a catcher

McCann can only throw runners out, the other three he is below average or worse

Nido can throw runners out and metrics apparently say he can frame pitches well - but that comes at the expense of blocking balls. He cant call a game, either

If Nido can hit even .240 it would be a plus. McCann making 10M is yet another major Sandy fail. Perez in his brief stint showed he was miles ahead of both defensively, but he cant hit


+1

How far along is Alvarez though now with respect to the four aforementioned categories? It stands to reason that Alvarez still needs to work on calling games from what we've heard. or am I mistaken?
McCann had 32 wild pitches allowed last year  
Vanzetti : 9/24/2022 1:47 pm : link
That's a huge number. And it makes it very difficult on a staff reliant on hard sliders. You don't want a pitcher worrying that if he throws a slider in the dirt that his catcher won't block it.


To his credit, he has done a better job this year. But under pressure in the playoffs, old faults have a tendency to re-emerge.

IMO Nido should really be the number one catcher (until Alvarez arrives). Tomas has actually hit very well (for him) the last couple of weeks. If the opposing team has base stealers, start McCann. Otherwise, it should be Nido behind the plate. Or pitcher's preference. No need to alternate them in playoffs with all the off days.

But next year, it will be so great to have a hitter like Alvarez as catcher. He supposedly "struggled" at AAA. But still hit 9 HRs in 140 ABs with .810 OPS. Only 20 years old!! What a career he has in front of him!!
RE: RE: Neither McCann nor Nido is that great defensively  
Vanzetti : 9/24/2022 1:52 pm : link
In comment 15829299 Optimus-NY said:
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In comment 15829238 Snablats said:


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Blocking balls, throwing runners out, calling a game, pitch framing - those are the 4 defensive items for a catcher

McCann can only throw runners out, the other three he is below average or worse

Nido can throw runners out and metrics apparently say he can frame pitches well - but that comes at the expense of blocking balls. He cant call a game, either

If Nido can hit even .240 it would be a plus. McCann making 10M is yet another major Sandy fail. Perez in his brief stint showed he was miles ahead of both defensively, but he cant hit



+1

How far along is Alvarez though now with respect to the four aforementioned categories? It stands to reason that Alvarez still needs to work on calling games from what we've heard. or am I mistaken?


With a veteran staff like Mets have, game calling is not that important because guys like Degrom and Scherzer know exactly what they want to throw. Bassitt too. He was getting worked up last night that McCann could not get on the same page with him.

So with starters i think its a non-issue. Guys like Drew Smith and Megill and DP, it might affect. But then you just might have to bring in Nido as a defensive replacement
Good points Vanzetti  
Optimus-NY : 9/24/2022 2:06 pm : link
I'm just concerned about Alvy's potential transition to the bigs next year. We all wanna see him. Excellent point about the veteran starters not being an issue with him. I do notice McCann getting shook off by Bassitt and Scherzer often. Nido is the better of the two now.
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