Some say that drafting a new QB is not a sure thing. I think it should be if the front office uses some common sense. IIRC Almost everyone on BBI wanted Josh Allen when the Giants picked Barkley. There may have been a couple who wanted to trade down and draft Lamar Jackson, but I don't remember anyone who wanted Mayfield, Rosen, or Darnold. Even BBI knew that would be worse than wasting the pick on Barkley.
Speaking of Jones, it was clear from his first pre-season game that he was a bad pick. He turns the ball over at an alarming clip (already 2 this year), He makes star receivers look bad (especially ex-Lions like Golladay and Tate), and virtually ruined Engram (our all-pro TE) with uncatchable throws. He holds the ball so long that it makes the OL look bad, and has cost us two coaches. He made offensive coordinators like Mike Shula, Jason Garrett, Freddie Kitchens look bad. All are in-demand and will soon find better jobs.
We will almost assuredly get a QB that is WAY better than DJ in the 2023 draft. The 2022 season is quickly slipping away and the team will be looking for a new coach in 2024 unless things improve dramatically in 2023.
He was a big measurables guy - but from a smaller school program - and I remember a lot of gripes over his college completion percentage.
You just never know..
I wanted Herbert....but he stayed the extra year....
And considering very few QBs in the NFL are young and special.....they miss far more than they hit in the draft.
Being decent and cheap is the best we should expect drafting a QB
lol well done
Some talked Chubb. But it was mostly Darnold and Barkley.
with uncatchable throws."
If you can actually write this about Daniel Jones, then you are biased.
I wanted the trade-down, and then play the board to grab one of Bradley Chubb, Saquon, or (my preference) Nelson. Basically, what the Colts did was the right play IMO.
I was not a fan of taking a RB that high, but I also didn't like the QB talent in that draft.
Missed the boat big time with Allen. Though I don't think he would have found success here.
The main reason I think so many highly drafted QBs fail is because they go to teams not equipped, either do to coaching or talent, to properly develop a QB.
I think more teams looking to draft a QB high to save their team, really should be looking at the state of their coaching and the roster talent and evaluate if they are even in a position to make drafting the QB worthwhile. Few QBs coming out of college can rise above and succeed regardless of the poor situation in which they find themselves.
lol well done
I guess so.
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... who has their sarcasm meter ticking today?
lol well done
I guess so.
This went way over my head!
If you think anything is clear from a rookie's first pre-season game, you are unqualified to be speaking about the sport of American football.
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... who has their sarcasm meter ticking today?
lol well done
I guess so.
Lol. I think some people didn't even get past the first paragraph before typing their responses.
Exactly. There's no other site I visit where I feel like I have less a grasp on what posts are serious vs sarcastic.
For the record, this one was over-the-top enough on enough topics that I thought it was hard to miss. :-)
This is my way of saying that it has gotten a little out of hand in a hopefully amusing way. Funny how people took it seriously. The can Jones get a new guys should take note that it is not that easy and it is not the Giants God given right to have one of the top 5 QBs in the game. Actually, we have not had that in my lifetime other than maybe Tarkington.
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Of the football posts these past couple years that sarcasm gets to easily lost in amongst the genuine haha
This is my way of saying that it has gotten a little out of hand in a hopefully amusing way. Funny how people took it seriously. The can Jones get a new guys should take note that it is not that easy and it is not the Giants God given right to have one of the top 5 QBs in the game. Actually, we have not had that in my lifetime other than maybe Tarkington.
+1
That's where we are now.
Drafting a QB is really hard, which is why the experts get it wrong so often. But it is something that must be done. The one thing I think we have in our favor is that Daboll has a track record of developing a QB. Josh Allen was a train wreck coming out of Montana. His physical attributes were off the charts, but his mechanics were equally awful. Daboll was part of the team that developed him into a passable starter in year one, to an absolute superstar now. I'd like to see if he can do that here.
I was not a fan of taking a RB that high, but I also didn't like the QB talent in that draft.
Missed the boat big time with Allen. Though I don't think he would have found success here.
The main reason I think so many highly drafted QBs fail is because they go to teams not equipped, either do to coaching or talent, to properly develop a QB.
I think more teams looking to draft a QB high to save their team, really should be looking at the state of their coaching and the roster talent and evaluate if they are even in a position to make drafting the QB worthwhile. Few QBs coming out of college can rise above and succeed regardless of the poor situation in which they find themselves.
Very well put. A rebuild does not require a scortched earth policy. It requires the right people, a solid plan, and not forcing things. Do not get rid of useful (if not perfect) players until you have someone better. Keep the good players you have and continue to improve the roster with BPA's.
focus on improving the OL WR and CB and hope dj elevates his game accordingly imo
I used to remember the good HC's used to try to accomplish two things first. Protect your QB and give him a running game. Get him favorable down/distance. Build out from that point.
I liked Allen and saw him at Wyoming. Jim Klatt said he thought he be the number one pick. I looked into him after that and thought he had a lot of upside. I was concerned with his plate in his shoulder. I also liked Rosen and am pretty shocked how things went for him. I think it was reported Shurmur liked Allen.
Didn't mind SB pick. I understood it. I didn't know him well but I thought he be a more physical and complete back.
Jones likely isn't it but pointing to his first preseason game and slamming him for a fumble any qb in the league would have taken in game 1 to make the point is reaching.
Buffalo sent the 21st, 185th overall pick, and Cordy Glenn to the Bengals in exchange for the 12th and 187th overall picks.
Then they traded the 12th, 53rd, and 56th overall picks for the 7th and 255th overall pick from Tampa Bay.
Buffalo was prepared to move up with Denver to 5 and pick Allen there until the Broncos backed out when Chubb fell.
That's great scouting and conviction.
I wanted the trade-down, and then play the board to grab one of Bradley Chubb, Saquon, or (my preference) Nelson. Basically, what the Colts did was the right play IMO.
I wanted Herbert....but he stayed the extra year....
And considering very few QBs in the NFL are young and special.....they miss far more than they hit in the draft.
Being decent and cheap is the best we should expect drafting a QB
I think he lost you before that... ;)
Mayfield
Allen
Darnold.
Allen was small school, with a low completion with absurd measurables. I learned from this. Cosell was on Rosen. He had detailed video breakdown. It sold me. I no longer appeal to authority.
I have to say I was way wrong - I liked Rosen. SY and Cosell loved Rosen.
Buffalo sent the 21st, 185th overall pick, and Cordy Glenn to the Bengals in exchange for the 12th and 187th overall picks.
Then they traded the 12th, 53rd, and 56th overall picks for the 7th and 255th overall pick from Tampa Bay.
Buffalo was prepared to move up with Denver to 5 and pick Allen there until the Broncos backed out when Chubb fell.
That's great scouting and conviction.
And a prime reason why Schoen probably got the nod over Adam Peters.
Reale I am advocating for free tix for you. Or maybe Eric can work out some kind of ad-free connection or something, just for you... lol
People here forget how good DJ was his first year, yeah their were too many turnovers, but they were mostly fumbles not ints and he did a lot of good things. Let's hope that DJ can be a solid QB this year and continue to grow from that. He has completed 70% of his passes and led 2 game winning drives this year. Clearly not all him - but still. I am not sold on him, but some act like he is dogfood.
Fine, if the FA has conviction on a better QB by trade or draft. That is true of any player, any position. Just continue to improve the roster by adding good players.
I really hope the Giants don't have to give up a ton of draft capital on a QB as picking good players on a BPA is much more reliable than a top 10 QB.
If we do decide a QB upgrade is needed. I hope we can find a Jalen Hurts, Dak Prescott, Lamar Jackson, Kirk Cousins, Russel Wilson, Tom Brady, Aaron Rodgers, David Carr as guys who fell to the back of round 1 or later and continue to stock the roster.
and not using it to describe an obvious physical characteristic such as huge, fast, etc.
The lion’s share of starters and plenty of good QBs in the league were acquired outside of that narrow criteria.
That top 10 group is really talented, save for a one or two guys. Too bad the Giants seem to be on the outside of that group.
The Giants have good QB evaluators — they can trade up, stay put, or trade for a veteran. They aren’t sentenced to mediocrity with Daniel Jones.
The lion’s share of starters and plenty of good QBs in the league were acquired outside of that narrow criteria.
That top 10 group is really talented, save for a one or two guys. Too bad the Giants seem to be on the outside of that group.
The Giants have good QB evaluators — they can trade up, stay put, or trade for a veteran. They aren’t sentenced to mediocrity with Daniel Jones.
Now do super bowl winning qbs.