Let's kick it off.
I learned that it's always about Daniel Jones, even if the thread was about Special Teams, it will come down to being about Daniel Jones.
I also learned that a QB can throw a game losing interception before halftime and somehow, knowledgeable reporters can opined that Daniel Jones' fate with the Giants only has two choices and there is no middle grounds.
I learned that Head Trainer Ronnie Barnes was the second shooter on the grassy knoll.
I learned that you can brag about a prediction of a major statistical achievement even if your original prediction was focused on a completely different stat line. But that's what you took heat over it, etc... and not over the original misidentification.
I learned that the cost control segment on BBI is already fretting over the contract to give a young starter with two more years on his rookie deal.
And finally, I learned that once again the beat reporters and analysis sites are using BBI and other message boards for story ideas.
P.S. If any of y'ouse reporters steal this original old school BBI theme that 15 years old then I'm sending Greg in LI after you
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In comment 15828558 ChrisRick said:
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ChrisRick used to post as Crick n NC
Are you sure?
Maybe I should wait and see :)
You’re a great contributor to this community. One of my favorite posters in my many years here.
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I've said a few times this week he had one excellent drive last week. Many good throws on that drive, decisive, confident. The problem with Jones isn't his capabilities the problem is his mind isn't in the right place or clicking or in "flow." He overthinks things, he's never had any real success so he doesn't have anything resembling a swagger on the field. QBs need to be overconfident if anything, not in their heads or needing to be coddled by their team.
But I wasn't talking about you. Sometimes I disagree with you but I respect your opinion. I asked the question because of one the posters you defended on here BW.
As you say many good throws on the drive. Well read the Sy '56 Giants-Panthers Game Review thread third page Sept 21st 12;06 PM when BW questions Sy's comments on what throws were elite. Are you (BW) going to quibble with SY on what is a "good throw" vs "elite?" Or you (BW) can't let it go that SY is complimenting Jones? Or you (BW) don't even think Jones made one good throw?
Anyhow this is the type of nutjob posts you get from BW and others like him that you are willing to excuse. I'm not saying you are the nutjob- not one bit - I'm saying though you probably have biases just like all of us do - and you are more willing to excuse posters that offer a negative opinion even if a lunatic from many because you're negative on him as well (though not as much as some others). I'm negative too - I don't think they will re-sign him and am okay. I'm expecting a season which we can either draft a QB or look to overpay for one in the future.
***SY made a clear comment on that thread his comment was "Jones CAN DO IT" ie - "he has it in him." There are many posters that don't agree with that. Then wouldn't logic dictate a rebuttal that many agree with SY that he does have it in him and maybe the OL and the WR's and the injuries to Barkley and the prior awful coaching are ALSO to blame?
In order to agree with and defend SY's comment of "He CAN Do it" - then ofc posters would bring up the points I just mentioned, right?
I respect your opinion as well. I feel like I've seen bw acknowledge that Jones has had a bad cast around him but regardless. I'd agree with you that we probably all notice people that disagree with us more. Jones is capable of playing like the QB we need but I don't think he will ever show he can be that person for enough of the time that we need and hopefully the fan base doesn't hope ownership at all validate a belief that he can be the guy if he never shows it on the field. Regardless of who he's been on the field with
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is leading the excuse parade for a player, you have articles like the one published yesterday in GBN arguing he's better than he is because of QB rating, an aged an irreflective stat. How can you possibly argue that the bigger problem is him being blamed completely? When there are plenty of people trying to tell those of us that see him for what he is, what his numbers say he is, as too hard on him.
The Owner of the team also said this which many of us agree with:
https://www.nj.com/giants/2022/02/with-giants-keeping-daniel-jones-as-starter-in-2022-here-is-whats-next-for-him-and-them-if-he-stinks-again-and-if-he-doesnt.html
"“I would be surprised if he’s not the starter [in Week 1 next season],” said Mara, the Giants’ co-owner. “Daniel will get a chance next year, and we’ll hopefully be able to get a fair evaluation of him. If it doesn’t work out, we’ll go to Plan B. . . . ""
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He clearly says we will go to Plan B if things don't work out.
Do you think this quote is awful? He has hired outside his comfort zone - so if what he is saying above is accurate - then you are okay with it, correct?
If what he says is accurate I'm completely ok with it. I just don't really believe it is and I don't believe declining the 5th year option is the signal people talk about it as because most QBs get traded when a new regime comes in.
And I wouldn't equate at all Mara maybe wanting to pick up the option but accepting a compromise of giving him a year to play it out as the same that Mara will just let him leave the building. Mara clearly likes Jones a lot and not picking up an option is way different than letting him go to another team which I think is likely to be the way bigger disagreement between him and the new management than the option year.
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In comment 15828528 NoGainDayne said:
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I've said a few times this week he had one excellent drive last week. Many good throws on that drive, decisive, confident. The problem with Jones isn't his capabilities the problem is his mind isn't in the right place or clicking or in "flow." He overthinks things, he's never had any real success so he doesn't have anything resembling a swagger on the field. QBs need to be overconfident if anything, not in their heads or needing to be coddled by their team.
But I wasn't talking about you. Sometimes I disagree with you but I respect your opinion. I asked the question because of one the posters you defended on here BW.
As you say many good throws on the drive. Well read the Sy '56 Giants-Panthers Game Review thread third page Sept 21st 12;06 PM when BW questions Sy's comments on what throws were elite. Are you (BW) going to quibble with SY on what is a "good throw" vs "elite?" Or you (BW) can't let it go that SY is complimenting Jones? Or you (BW) don't even think Jones made one good throw?
Anyhow this is the type of nutjob posts you get from BW and others like him that you are willing to excuse. I'm not saying you are the nutjob- not one bit - I'm saying though you probably have biases just like all of us do - and you are more willing to excuse posters that offer a negative opinion even if a lunatic from many because you're negative on him as well (though not as much as some others). I'm negative too - I don't think they will re-sign him and am okay. I'm expecting a season which we can either draft a QB or look to overpay for one in the future.
***SY made a clear comment on that thread his comment was "Jones CAN DO IT" ie - "he has it in him." There are many posters that don't agree with that. Then wouldn't logic dictate a rebuttal that many agree with SY that he does have it in him and maybe the OL and the WR's and the injuries to Barkley and the prior awful coaching are ALSO to blame?
In order to agree with and defend SY's comment of "He CAN Do it" - then ofc posters would bring up the points I just mentioned, right?
I respect your opinion as well. I feel like I've seen bw acknowledge that Jones has had a bad cast around him but regardless. I'd agree with you that we probably all notice people that disagree with us more. Jones is capable of playing like the QB we need but I don't think he will ever show he can be that person for enough of the time that we need and hopefully the fan base doesn't hope ownership at all validate a belief that he can be the guy if he never shows it on the field. Regardless of who he's been on the field with
+1.
Definitely need to search threads for your favorite posters and ignore the rest. You can still find some gems and pickup up some football knowledge. When your favorite posters start to change their minds that is when I pay attention. I remember some folks, such as yourself, started souring early on Gettleman and it was an warning alert that we were F***.
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In comment 15828528 NoGainDayne said:
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I've said a few times this week he had one excellent drive last week. Many good throws on that drive, decisive, confident. The problem with Jones isn't his capabilities the problem is his mind isn't in the right place or clicking or in "flow." He overthinks things, he's never had any real success so he doesn't have anything resembling a swagger on the field. QBs need to be overconfident if anything, not in their heads or needing to be coddled by their team.
But I wasn't talking about you. Sometimes I disagree with you but I respect your opinion. I asked the question because of one the posters you defended on here BW.
As you say many good throws on the drive. Well read the Sy '56 Giants-Panthers Game Review thread third page Sept 21st 12;06 PM when BW questions Sy's comments on what throws were elite. Are you (BW) going to quibble with SY on what is a "good throw" vs "elite?" Or you (BW) can't let it go that SY is complimenting Jones? Or you (BW) don't even think Jones made one good throw?
Anyhow this is the type of nutjob posts you get from BW and others like him that you are willing to excuse. I'm not saying you are the nutjob- not one bit - I'm saying though you probably have biases just like all of us do - and you are more willing to excuse posters that offer a negative opinion even if a lunatic from many because you're negative on him as well (though not as much as some others). I'm negative too - I don't think they will re-sign him and am okay. I'm expecting a season which we can either draft a QB or look to overpay for one in the future.
***SY made a clear comment on that thread his comment was "Jones CAN DO IT" ie - "he has it in him." There are many posters that don't agree with that. Then wouldn't logic dictate a rebuttal that many agree with SY that he does have it in him and maybe the OL and the WR's and the injuries to Barkley and the prior awful coaching are ALSO to blame?
In order to agree with and defend SY's comment of "He CAN Do it" - then ofc posters would bring up the points I just mentioned, right?
I respect your opinion as well. I feel like I've seen bw acknowledge that Jones has had a bad cast around him but regardless.
He blames everything on Jones. I wonder if he'd chime in on a discussion he and I had or acknowledge what you said that Jones has had a bad cast around him and that is in some manner the bad cast is also blame.
But I'm still stunned he said the following as a long time fan he proclaims he is:. He had asked me what do I feel (talking about last season) when watching the Giants I said I feel frustration that nearly everything stinks. I gave last year's Cowboys game as an example at how I felt so disgusted that the Giants defense got so badly abused on the ground along with everything else.
He didn’t give a shit about anything else he said. It was all Jones for him. So I’d like to see him post that’s it’s not all Jones. He and others like him it’s all the QB. The QB overcomes these deficiencies otherwise it’s an excuse to acknowledge any bad cast etc. . . And use Joe Burrow as an example of a OL needed . . .
For me- how can we ALSO not be so freaking disgusted that the Defense last year in that game got so humiliated on the ground especially being a long time Giants fan? I can see if there was NO success any more for ground teams but San Fran and Tenn have had some type of success. It is not the best way to go—but to just not give a shit of the other parts of football and only the QB? It’s lunacy. Other positions count.
You are correct. The parts around the QB are a big deal as is coaching. I posted on another thread but tale a look at Alllen's stats (who I really like) and Buffalo's points before and after Diggs.
Word of advice. He is not changing imv. He posts good stuff on college stuff if your into that.
What everyone is eating this weekend.
Daniel Jones has surpassed Jesus as the most well known name amongst Giants fan base.
You can’t bang secretary’s at work.
Mike Lombardi is the same POS he’s always been.
Golladay isn’t happy, doesn’t understand why he’s not being played. Doesn’t think it matters how hard he tries he should be played, well, because…
Ojulari might play, but won’t, but might.
And lastly, Koldegard is going to the game in London and wants to know who else is going.
Wait, why can't we bang secretaries at work?
But I wasn't talking about you. Sometimes I disagree with you but I respect your opinion. I asked the question because of one the posters you defended on here BW.
As you say many good throws on the drive. Well read the Sy '56 Giants-Panthers Game Review thread third page Sept 21st 12;06 PM when BW questions Sy's comments on what throws were elite. Are you (BW) going to quibble with SY on what is a "good throw" vs "elite?" Or you (BW) can't let it go that SY is complimenting Jones? Or you (BW) don't even think Jones made one good throw?
JFC. I decide to check out this thread on a whim and - voila! - I'm the focus of more non-sense.
Indeed, I did ask Sy what throws Jones was making that were elite. It's a genuine/legitimate question. If he can point me in the right direction, I'm all ears to learn.
Do you recall what throws Jones made that were elite?
I try to give balanced views on Jones by combining the "eye test", his overall circumstances, and his numerical output. Unfortunately, it seems you might confuse my opinions with others or struggle to fully comprehend my comments.
You are correct. The parts around the QB are a big deal as is coaching. I posted on another thread but tale a look at Alllen's stats (who I really like) and Buffalo's points before and after Diggs.
Word of advice. He is not changing imv. He posts good stuff on college stuff if your into that.
That's not very nice... ;)
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In comment 15828579 christian said:
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In comment 15828558 ChrisRick said:
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ChrisRick used to post as Crick n NC
Are you sure?
Maybe I should wait and see :)
You’re a great contributor to this community. One of my favorite posters in my many years here.
Thanks Christian, those are kind words, but better said for someone else
I’m tryin to be less of an ass, but with some thicker skin
:)
What everyone is eating this weekend.
Daniel Jones has surpassed Jesus as the most well known name amongst Giants fan base.
You can’t bang secretary’s at work.
Mike Lombardi is the same POS he’s always been.
Golladay isn’t happy, doesn’t understand why he’s not being played. Doesn’t think it matters how hard he tries he should be played, well, because…
Ojulari might play, but won’t, but might.
And lastly, Koldegard is going to the game in London and wants to know who else is going.
YOU can't bang secretaries at work. I can.
You are correct. The parts around the QB are a big deal as is coaching. I posted on another thread but tale a look at Alllen's stats (who I really like) and Buffalo's points before and after Diggs.
Word of advice. He is not changing imv. He posts good stuff on college stuff if your into that.
+1.
I'm with you. Hey I'm disappointed with the QB play too. But the way some posters feel about only the QB - it makes you wonder if they feel why SY even bothers evaluating any position other than QB.
After all, he's a professional scout, if QB is the only position that counts, why should he bother addressing any other position?
And I guess someone like Stafford an a lucky eureka moment? He couldn't elevate his Detroit teams to win like posters want Jones to elevate, yet miraculously it all came to him in one season. Its a miracle!!!
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But I wasn't talking about you. Sometimes I disagree with you but I respect your opinion. I asked the question because of one the posters you defended on here BW.
As you say many good throws on the drive. Well read the Sy '56 Giants-Panthers Game Review thread third page Sept 21st 12;06 PM when BW questions Sy's comments on what throws were elite. Are you (BW) going to quibble with SY on what is a "good throw" vs "elite?" Or you (BW) can't let it go that SY is complimenting Jones? Or you (BW) don't even think Jones made one good throw?
JFC. I decide to check out this thread on a whim and - voila! - I'm the focus of more non-sense.
Indeed, I did ask Sy what throws Jones was making that were elite. It's a genuine/legitimate question. If he can point me in the right direction, I'm all ears to learn.
Do you recall what throws Jones made that were elite?
I try to give balanced views on Jones by combining the "eye test", his overall circumstances, and his numerical output. Unfortunately, it seems you might confuse my opinions with others or struggle to fully comprehend my comments.
Ask NoGainDayne. He made the following comment of "many good throws":
"I've said a few times this week he had one excellent drive last week. Many good throws on that drive, decisive, confident."
Really???