he played on a sore hammy (allegedly) last week. You guys think it’s better this week. I doubted he will play. Maybe a game here or there all year. Then they an dump him. That’s the reality
If they get a conditional 3rd or 4th rd pick I would take it and rid him and his salary from this team. I don't want to hear about WR being a weakness and he is one of our best play makers blah blah.. There is ZERO evidence to support that beyond opinion and projection. He is a headcase, he rarely plays and eventually will be a distraction..
Why would any GM in his right mind trade a draft choice for a player with a proven history of not being able to stay health?
I see this alot on this site, people proposing trading players that no sane GM would want any part of.
Chances are better than not that Toney gets cut by the Giants at some point in the future and never plays football again.
and I wouldn't touch him. And even Sy admitted he wasn't revealing everything he knew or heard. You mean the Giants scouts and DG didn't know these same things? Incompetence.
Joka is not missing a MNF game. No way in hell he is missing
in a non-practice I would say that's not a good thing. When they are afraid that he would aggravate an injury during a walk through I don't think it's much of a reach to label him a China doll.
I think he has a chronic issue. He’s probably done.
I say this from having undergone two knee surgeries on both knees in two years (granted at age 50/51) but he may have screwed his leg up and now he is just cashing checks….
I don't know what is going on with KT89, but the drama this dude brings isn't worth it. He's had a couple of fleeting moments where he looked like he could be something, but more often than not it is shit like this. I'm getting sick of it.
This guy is just not a serious football player. They have to cut bait ASAP and get rid of him.. there's no way this is just going to magically turn around and become a non-issue. He doesn't care.
I'm operating under the assumption that Schoen/Daboll knew this was an issue from pretty much the beginning and have probably at least put some feelers out there or considered the idea of dealing him.
If not, then yeah.. obviously I'd prefer to get compensation and not add more strain to the cap if that's a possibility. Maybe a WR-desperate team like GB is willing to roll the dice but I can't see Rodgers signing off on it.
I just can't see any way this suddenly changes or resolves itself. They need to get rid of him before it becomes an even bigger distraction.
Gettleman really did us a hell of a favor by drafting this bozo on top of paying Kenny Golladay. Fucking disaster.
That's why I get so frustrated when posters are like, 'Gettleman is gone. Move on.'
Yeah, he's gone, but we're still dealing with his ineptitude. I'm 99.9% certain KG is cut this offseason & I wouldn't be surprised if KT89 is moved too.
Waste of cap money. Waste of a roster spot. Wasted time that the QB could be working with another WR. Unable to plan for who the starter is going to be from week to week.
It is over once potential far exceeds actual production.
Fans hate him. Fans seem to want to see him fail. Fans say he doesn’t care. Fans want him cut yesterday.
But he says all the right things. Seems like his teammates like him. Seems like he wants to win.
If his body failed him like some are suggesting, thats sad. Especially for a young 20 year old guy. If that’s the case, the Giants should IR him so fans don’t continue to hate him.
Fans hate him. Fans seem to want to see him fail. Fans say he doesn’t care. Fans want him cut yesterday.
But he says all the right things. Seems like his teammates like him. Seems like he wants to win.
If his body failed him like some are suggesting, thats sad. Especially for a young 20 year old guy. If that’s the case, the Giants should IR him so fans don’t continue to hate him.
Fans hate him. Fans seem to want to see him fail. Fans say he doesn’t care. Fans want him cut yesterday.
But he says all the right things. Seems like his teammates like him. Seems like he wants to win.
If his body failed him like some are suggesting, thats sad. Especially for a young 20 year old guy. If that’s the case, the Giants should IR him so fans don’t continue to hate him.
Fans don’t hate him, fans don’t want him to fail.
Fans just don’t like first round picks that don’t contribute, he’s done almost nothing to this point.
Big difference, there’s no hate. Fans want him to live up to the commitment the Giants made to him. That’s all
I don't know what is going on with KT89, but the drama this dude brings isn't worth it. He's had a couple of fleeting moments where he looked like he could be something, but more often than not it is shit like this. I'm getting sick of it.
Serious question: What drama? There’s drama around Golladay, but I’m not aware of any around Toney. There’s tons of fan hysteria, especially on BBI, but the team and Toney himself have been pretty quiet—which is sort of the opposite of dramatic.
Fans hate him. Fans seem to want to see him fail. Fans say he doesn’t care. Fans want him cut yesterday.
But he says all the right things. Seems like his teammates like him. Seems like he wants to win.
If his body failed him like some are suggesting, thats sad. Especially for a young 20 year old guy. If that’s the case, the Giants should IR him so fans don’t continue to hate him.
cause, just maybe he is really injured and the medical staff is taking appropriate precautions.
His college tape is electric, and I’m really excited to see him be great for the Giants. I am frustrated that I haven’t seen him have sustained success so far in his first year and two games. I think what would be best for the team would be for him to heal, physically, mentally, learn the playbook, get the trust of the coaches and teammates, etc., and start making plays. And be a matchup nightmare for DCs for years to come.
I want to see him on the field with Barkley at full speed, and smarter after a 2 year absence. And with Wan’Dale getting separation to make it easier for the QB to get him the ball. And with the OL continuing to gel as the season progresses so the receivers have more time to finish their routes, or go deeper. And for the game to slow down for the rookie TE, as he learns what it takes to excel at the next level.
The entire offense will develop as a unit as the season progresses. This is probably the least cohesive they will be, each week a little better.
Toney frustrates me, but I’m not angry. Patience is hard. Getting rid of him would make it a certainty to get no value from the investment.
This is an A to Z fantasy based on nothing at all. it's some made up shit. made up excuses, made up expectations, just made up shit.
This guy is starting to remind me a lot of another former Giants WR, Tim Carter. He (Carter) always had a boo-boo. Most of the time it was his hamstrings because he had very tight musculature. Could never stay on the field and was eventually let go in spite of his exciting physical potential.
I hope this doesn’t repeat itself with Toney but I’m getting worried. It’s one physical problem after another. And, lest we forget, he was the last #1 pick of the previous regime.
And I still have hope - maintain that he is truly special with the ball in his hands
But it still amazes me that the prior regime took him knowing some of his oddities from a character perspective after the DeAndre Baker fiasco. Might you try a little harder on the character side after a first round pick vanished from your roster post rookie year?
This guy is starting to remind me a lot of another former Giants WR, Tim Carter. He (Carter) always had a boo-boo. Most of the time it was his hamstrings because he had very tight musculature. Could never stay on the field and was eventually let go in spite of his exciting physical potential.
I hope this doesn’t repeat itself with Toney but I’m getting worried. It’s one physical problem after another. And, lest we forget, he was the last #1 pick of the previous regime.
I don’t recall, but did most of this website decide Tim Carter was faking his injuries too?
Fans hate him. Fans seem to want to see him fail. Fans say he doesn’t care. Fans want him cut yesterday.
But he says all the right things. Seems like his teammates like him. Seems like he wants to win.
If his body failed him like some are suggesting, thats sad. Especially for a young 20 year old guy. If that’s the case, the Giants should IR him so fans don’t continue to hate him.
So, you think they should IR him because of what’s been reported a minor hammy tweak that he”suffered” in early August? And the reason they should IR him is to protect him from the fans being mean to him?
Have even if he played. He makes more tacklers Miss than the avg WR. Ok, that’s good. But given Toney’s avg speed, I think the offense would benefit a little, not a lot.
Fans hate him. Fans seem to want to see him fail. Fans say he doesn’t care. Fans want him cut yesterday.
But he says all the right things. Seems like his teammates like him. Seems like he wants to win.
If his body failed him like some are suggesting, thats sad. Especially for a young 20 year old guy. If that’s the case, the Giants should IR him so fans don’t continue to hate him.
"He says the right things." - Talk is cheap.
"Seems like his teammates like him. Seems like he wants to win." - Based on what evidence? LT played with a torn pec. Last year, he was out with hamstring, ankle, thumb, quad, oblique, and shoulder injuries. And here we go again.
Fans are pissed at him because he sucks at his job. If you were constantly missing work, your fellow employees would be booing you too.
RE: I question just how much of an impact he would
Have even if he played. He makes more tacklers Miss than the avg WR. Ok, that’s good. But given Toney’s avg speed, I think the offense would benefit a little, not a lot.
Short area burst and exceptional acceleration can make for lack of top end speed
a reminder that, per OTC, his contract is fully guaranteed. There are negative cap consequences in cutting him until his final year, and then there is zero savings.
Get used to him being on the team, unless they can trade him. Or unless he does something stupid and they can find cause to void the guarantees.
IMO because of the Cap they inherited the FO and coaching staff
are stuck with players that are not part of the solution in 2022. I don't think they will be in 2023. I think when this season ends they will weed out the leftover dead wood and be able to add some free agents and another draft class.
Fans hate him. Fans seem to want to see him fail. Fans say he doesn’t care. Fans want him cut yesterday.
But he says all the right things. Seems like his teammates like him. Seems like he wants to win.
If his body failed him like some are suggesting, thats sad. Especially for a young 20 year old guy. If that’s the case, the Giants should IR him so fans don’t continue to hate him.
I’m so sick of hearing this crap. Gentleman and company were awful at their jobs. The players they picked were by and large bad. Toney has been a headache since he was drafted. We hate losing.
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Cut him! No, maybe we can get a 4th round pick for him.
Phil Simms would never have made it with this group. His first four (or was it five) seasons were marked by injuries and mediocre play.
Maybe to be fair you should count the 46 yard pass play called back on a penalty away from the ball. The one where he's knocked flying to the ground, but no, he's not down and he shoots forward another 15 yards.
This guy is starting to remind me a lot of another former Giants WR, Tim Carter. He (Carter) always had a boo-boo. Most of the time it was his hamstrings because he had very tight musculature. Could never stay on the field and was eventually let go in spite of his exciting physical potential.
I hope this doesn’t repeat itself with Toney but I’m getting worried. It’s one physical problem after another. And, lest we forget, he was the last #1 pick of the previous regime.
I don’t recall, but did most of this website decide Tim Carter was faking his injuries too?
Here comes Toney's #1 fan to the rescue! And now he's onto using Tim Carter as his brilliant comparison instead of Amani Toomer.
This guy is starting to remind me a lot of another former Giants WR, Tim Carter. He (Carter) always had a boo-boo. Most of the time it was his hamstrings because he had very tight musculature. Could never stay on the field and was eventually let go in spite of his exciting physical potential.
I hope this doesn’t repeat itself with Toney but I’m getting worried. It’s one physical problem after another. And, lest we forget, he was the last #1 pick of the previous regime.
I don’t recall, but did most of this website decide Tim Carter was faking his injuries too?
Here comes Toney's #1 fan to the rescue! And now he's onto using Tim Carter as his brilliant comparison instead of Amani Toomer.
What a tool.
Super cool personal attacks.
And I didn’t bring up Tim Carter, I responded to someone else who brought him up.
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At this point, it would probably be better to cut him and sign Alex Bachman. And Alex Bachman isn't very good.
that is ridiculous
would you have cut Toomer in yr2 too?
I'm not sure of most things, but I am absolutely sure that Kadarius Toney will never be Amani Toomer.
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If they get a conditional 3rd or 4th rd pick I would take it and rid him and his salary from this team. I don't want to hear about WR being a weakness and he is one of our best play makers blah blah.. There is ZERO evidence to support that beyond opinion and projection. He is a headcase, he rarely plays and eventually will be a distraction..
Why would any GM in his right mind trade a draft choice for a player with a proven history of not being able to stay health?
I see this alot on this site, people proposing trading players that no sane GM would want any part of.
Chances are better than not that Toney gets cut by the Giants at some point in the future and never plays football again.
I say this from having undergone two knee surgeries on both knees in two years (granted at age 50/51) but he may have screwed his leg up and now he is just cashing checks….
If not, then yeah.. obviously I'd prefer to get compensation and not add more strain to the cap if that's a possibility. Maybe a WR-desperate team like GB is willing to roll the dice but I can't see Rodgers signing off on it.
I just can't see any way this suddenly changes or resolves itself. They need to get rid of him before it becomes an even bigger distraction.
Gettleman really did us a hell of a favor by drafting this bozo on top of paying Kenny Golladay. Fucking disaster.
Yeah, he's gone, but we're still dealing with his ineptitude. I'm 99.9% certain KG is cut this offseason & I wouldn't be surprised if KT89 is moved too.
It is over once potential far exceeds actual production.
But he says all the right things. Seems like his teammates like him. Seems like he wants to win.
If his body failed him like some are suggesting, thats sad. Especially for a young 20 year old guy. If that’s the case, the Giants should IR him so fans don’t continue to hate him.
But he says all the right things. Seems like his teammates like him. Seems like he wants to win.
If his body failed him like some are suggesting, thats sad. Especially for a young 20 year old guy. If that’s the case, the Giants should IR him so fans don’t continue to hate him.
Hi Toney's mom
But he says all the right things. Seems like his teammates like him. Seems like he wants to win.
If his body failed him like some are suggesting, thats sad. Especially for a young 20 year old guy. If that’s the case, the Giants should IR him so fans don’t continue to hate him.
Fans don’t hate him, fans don’t want him to fail.
Fans just don’t like first round picks that don’t contribute, he’s done almost nothing to this point.
Big difference, there’s no hate. Fans want him to live up to the commitment the Giants made to him. That’s all
Am I missing something?
We aren,'t getting anything out of these three players, not even special teams.
Pick up three receivers from various practice squads would contribute more.
It's rediculous to keep three players who contribute nothing.
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Fans hate him. Fans seem to want to see him fail. Fans say he doesn’t care. Fans want him cut yesterday.
But he says all the right things. Seems like his teammates like him. Seems like he wants to win.
If his body failed him like some are suggesting, thats sad. Especially for a young 20 year old guy. If that’s the case, the Giants should IR him so fans don’t continue to hate him.
Hi Toney's mom
Hi!
His college tape is electric, and I’m really excited to see him be great for the Giants. I am frustrated that I haven’t seen him have sustained success so far in his first year and two games. I think what would be best for the team would be for him to heal, physically, mentally, learn the playbook, get the trust of the coaches and teammates, etc., and start making plays. And be a matchup nightmare for DCs for years to come.
I want to see him on the field with Barkley at full speed, and smarter after a 2 year absence. And with Wan’Dale getting separation to make it easier for the QB to get him the ball. And with the OL continuing to gel as the season progresses so the receivers have more time to finish their routes, or go deeper. And for the game to slow down for the rookie TE, as he learns what it takes to excel at the next level.
The entire offense will develop as a unit as the season progresses. This is probably the least cohesive they will be, each week a little better.
Toney frustrates me, but I’m not angry. Patience is hard. Getting rid of him would make it a certainty to get no value from the investment.
Based on what evidence? You mean we need the idea of him, the reality is what we are getting now.
I hope this doesn’t repeat itself with Toney but I’m getting worried. It’s one physical problem after another. And, lest we forget, he was the last #1 pick of the previous regime.
But it still amazes me that the prior regime took him knowing some of his oddities from a character perspective after the DeAndre Baker fiasco. Might you try a little harder on the character side after a first round pick vanished from your roster post rookie year?
I hope this doesn’t repeat itself with Toney but I’m getting worried. It’s one physical problem after another. And, lest we forget, he was the last #1 pick of the previous regime.
I don’t recall, but did most of this website decide Tim Carter was faking his injuries too?
But he says all the right things. Seems like his teammates like him. Seems like he wants to win.
If his body failed him like some are suggesting, thats sad. Especially for a young 20 year old guy. If that’s the case, the Giants should IR him so fans don’t continue to hate him.
So, you think they should IR him because of what’s been reported a minor hammy tweak that he”suffered” in early August? And the reason they should IR him is to protect him from the fans being mean to him?
But he says all the right things. Seems like his teammates like him. Seems like he wants to win.
If his body failed him like some are suggesting, thats sad. Especially for a young 20 year old guy. If that’s the case, the Giants should IR him so fans don’t continue to hate him.
"He says the right things." - Talk is cheap.
"Seems like his teammates like him. Seems like he wants to win." - Based on what evidence? LT played with a torn pec. Last year, he was out with hamstring, ankle, thumb, quad, oblique, and shoulder injuries. And here we go again.
Fans are pissed at him because he sucks at his job. If you were constantly missing work, your fellow employees would be booing you too.
Short area burst and exceptional acceleration can make for lack of top end speed
If so, shouldn't the walk through have been Saturday?
Get used to him being on the team, unless they can trade him. Or unless he does something stupid and they can find cause to void the guarantees.
If so, shouldn't the walk through have been Saturday?
Daboll handles the week differently. Did so earlier this season as well.
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At this point, it would probably be better to cut him and sign Alex Bachman. And Alex Bachman isn't very good.
that is ridiculous
would you have cut Toomer in yr2 too?
I'm not sure of most things, but I am absolutely sure that Kadarius Toney will never be Amani Toomer.
That’s a fact
But he says all the right things. Seems like his teammates like him. Seems like he wants to win.
If his body failed him like some are suggesting, thats sad. Especially for a young 20 year old guy. If that’s the case, the Giants should IR him so fans don’t continue to hate him.
I’m so sick of hearing this crap. Gentleman and company were awful at their jobs. The players they picked were by and large bad. Toney has been a headache since he was drafted. We hate losing.
You don't take football
That se rious, that se rious
Stay home with your rap and
Play it on your Strad a various
Your football is not so se rious
But the money is just
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"Off With his Head"
Cut him! No, maybe we can get a 4th round pick for him.
Phil Simms would never have made it with this group. His first four (or was it five) seasons were marked by injuries and mediocre play.
Maybe to be fair you should count the 46 yard pass play called back on a penalty away from the ball. The one where he's knocked flying to the ground, but no, he's not down and he shoots forward another 15 yards.
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This guy is starting to remind me a lot of another former Giants WR, Tim Carter. He (Carter) always had a boo-boo. Most of the time it was his hamstrings because he had very tight musculature. Could never stay on the field and was eventually let go in spite of his exciting physical potential.
I hope this doesn’t repeat itself with Toney but I’m getting worried. It’s one physical problem after another. And, lest we forget, he was the last #1 pick of the previous regime.
I don’t recall, but did most of this website decide Tim Carter was faking his injuries too?
Here comes Toney's #1 fan to the rescue! And now he's onto using Tim Carter as his brilliant comparison instead of Amani Toomer.
What a tool.
He’s an all purpose argument that any player will succeed if given enough time.
Then there’s Kadarious Toney.
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This guy is starting to remind me a lot of another former Giants WR, Tim Carter. He (Carter) always had a boo-boo. Most of the time it was his hamstrings because he had very tight musculature. Could never stay on the field and was eventually let go in spite of his exciting physical potential.
I hope this doesn’t repeat itself with Toney but I’m getting worried. It’s one physical problem after another. And, lest we forget, he was the last #1 pick of the previous regime.
I don’t recall, but did most of this website decide Tim Carter was faking his injuries too?
Here comes Toney's #1 fan to the rescue! And now he's onto using Tim Carter as his brilliant comparison instead of Amani Toomer.
What a tool.
Super cool personal attacks.
And I didn’t bring up Tim Carter, I responded to someone else who brought him up.