NGT - Kiper's Big Board out...

Really concerning. He has time to turn it around, but he needs to play better. Pure and simple. And his O-Line needs to actually give him time.

Quarterbacks
Kiper

1. C.J. Stroud, Ohio State
2. Will Levis, Kentucky
3. Bryce Young, Alabama
4. Anthony Richardson, Florida
5. Tyler Van Dyke, Miami-FL

McShay

1. C.J. Stroud, Ohio State
2. Bryce Young, Alabama
3. Will Levis, Kentucky
4. Tyler Van Dyke, Miami-FL
5. Anthony Richardson, Florida

Reid

1. Bryce Young, Alabama
2. C.J. Stroud, Ohio State
3. Will Levis, Kentucky
4. Anthony Richardson, Florida
5. Tyler Van Dyke, Miami-FL

Miller

1. C.J. Stroud, Ohio State
2. Bryce Young, Alabama
3. Will Levis, Kentucky
4. Tyler Van Dyke, Miami-FL
5. Anthony Richardson, Florida

Thanks for posting the CB's.

In comment 15828774 rasbutant said:

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Thanks for posting the CB's.

Jalen Carter Georgia is a top 5 kind of player

Where Michael Penix and Grayson McCall will wind up ranking by season's end.

I think he will be a bust.

at the end of last season and even still right now. It will be interesting to see how the rest of the season shakes out and who moves up and who moves down.

In comment 15828783 santacruzom said:

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Where Michael Penix and Grayson McCall will wind up ranking by season's end.

Penix played well two seasons ago for Indiana then tailed off. Last year was not good. So, I'm not ready to buy his good start in Washington.

McCall looked good last night v Georgia St. He's got a lot of pro tools and will eventually move up.

I would love to come out of this 1st round with a QB and TE Michael Mayer. Mayer is going to be a star TE in the NFL who can actually block.

not so much the others

And work on his passing technique
He is very raw

But it's early.

Assuming we don't need a QB, I agree with the comment above about TE Mayer. First round picks at WR have a very high bust percentage (it's a rude awakening when they are matched up against NFL cornerbacks getting help from NFL safeties). I'd rather they add a veteran WR in free agency and draft a TE to complement Bellinger.

Monster from Clemson

So we need to keep an eye on high ceiling types that have some warts and might be available in the middle of round 1.

will want but there is a lot of fire power in the 1st round next year.

I know Kiper has Anderson @ 1, but I think a QB ends up going with the top pick.

In comment 15828771 larryflower37 said:

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Quarterbacks Kiper 1. C.J. Stroud, Ohio State 2. Will Levis, Kentucky 3. Bryce Young, Alabama 4. Anthony Richardson, Florida 5. Tyler Van Dyke, Miami-FL McShay 1. C.J. Stroud, Ohio State 2. Bryce Young, Alabama 3. Will Levis, Kentucky 4. Tyler Van Dyke, Miami-FL 5. Anthony Richardson, Florida Reid 1. Bryce Young, Alabama 2. C.J. Stroud, Ohio State 3. Will Levis, Kentucky 4. Anthony Richardson, Florida 5. Tyler Van Dyke, Miami-FL Miller 1. C.J. Stroud, Ohio State 2. Bryce Young, Alabama 3. Will Levis, Kentucky 4. Tyler Van Dyke, Miami-FL 5. Anthony Richardson, Florida

Those are very interesting lists because Richardson is still a highly rated QB despite his dismal start.

But he does have the metrics...

In comment 15828802 Rick in Dallas said:

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And work on his passing technique He is very raw

I agree in general. But if he and his team (including Napier) are getting intel that he's still a top 15 pick by the end of the year, that's still a pretty good bird in the hand...

I liked what I saw of Richardson vs. Utah. The dude I'm keeping track of is Levis. He intrigues me.

In comment 15828851 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:

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I liked what I saw of Richardson vs. Utah. The dude I'm keeping track of is Levis. He intrigues me.

I'm not all in yet on Levis, but that arm talent is hard to ignore. Has an interesting release. I'm interested to see more video on his throwing ability on the move.

No doubt he has an NFL arm and quick release.
His big issue right now is decision making.

In comment 15828796 Jay on the Island said:

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I would love to come out of this 1st round with a QB and TE Michael Mayer. Mayer is going to be a star TE in the NFL who can actually block.

The kid Brock from Georgia is just as good of TE as Mayer if not better

Is the real deal.

Giants have seen a good bit of Will Levis and maybe have there eyes on him... after all we took his top target Wandall in the 2nd round

In comment 15828771 larryflower37 said:

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Quarterbacks Kiper 1. C.J. Stroud, Ohio State 2. Will Levis, Kentucky 3. Bryce Young, Alabama 4. Anthony Richardson, Florida 5. Tyler Van Dyke, Miami-FL Caleb Smith. USC. Better than all of them McShay 1. C.J. Stroud, Ohio State 2. Bryce Young, Alabama 3. Will Levis, Kentucky 4. Tyler Van Dyke, Miami-FL 5. Anthony Richardson, Florida Reid 1. Bryce Young, Alabama 2. C.J. Stroud, Ohio State 3. Will Levis, Kentucky 4. Anthony Richardson, Florida 5. Tyler Van Dyke, Miami-FL Miller 1. C.J. Stroud, Ohio State 2. Bryce Young, Alabama 3. Will Levis, Kentucky 4. Tyler Van Dyke, Miami-FL 5. Anthony Richardson, Florida

In comment 15828943 fish3321 said:

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Giants have seen a good bit of Will Levis and maybe have there eyes on him... after all we took his top target Wandall in the 2nd round

Excellent point. I forgot about that angle.

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In comment 15828943 fish3321 said: Quote: Giants have seen a good bit of Will Levis and maybe have there eyes on him... after all we took his top target Wandall in the 2nd round Excellent point. I forgot about that angle.

That is a great point.

Will be a bust. He’s very overhyped and imho not a first rd talent. Truth be told if we don’t get one of Stroud or Young, I would defer QB pick until ‘24 where there will be plenty of amazing talent: Caleb Williams, Quinn Ewers, Drake Maye, Donovan Smith, JJ McCarthy, Jaxson Dart, Shedeur Sanders (Deion son) etc. There’s a few more but these are the top ones imho

buy guys from both the McVay and Shanahan tree will be a huge deal

As long as he doesn't regress - he will be QB1

In comment 15829031 tyrik13 said:

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Will be a bust. He’s very overhyped and imho not a first rd talent. Truth be told if we don’t get one of Stroud or Young, I would defer QB pick until ‘24 where there will be plenty of amazing talent: Caleb Williams, Quinn Ewers, Drake Maye, Donovan Smith, JJ McCarthy, Jaxson Dart, Shedeur Sanders (Deion son) etc. There’s a few more but these are the top ones imho

Ha, every year is the same thing. The better talent will be in the next class...

Two months ago we had a group on bbi telling us there were 8 QBs (6 to 8 anyway) that would be 1st round talent. And as usual it will be down to maybe 3 or 4 by the end of the NCAA season.
We know very little about QB development and talent and gaudy numbers are not indicative of true talent.

1 Bryce Young Alabama
2 C.J. Stroud Ohio State
3 Will Levis Kentucky
4 Tyler Van Dyke Miami
5 Tanner McKee Stanford
6 Will Rogers Mississippi State
7 Anthony Richardson Florida
8 Hendon Hooker Tennessee
9 Phil Jurkovec Boston College
10 Devin Leary North Carolina State

In comment 15829075 section125 said:

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In comment 15829031 tyrik13 said: Quote: Will be a bust. He’s very overhyped and imho not a first rd talent. Truth be told if we don’t get one of Stroud or Young, I would defer QB pick until ‘24 where there will be plenty of amazing talent: Caleb Williams, Quinn Ewers, Drake Maye, Donovan Smith, JJ McCarthy, Jaxson Dart, Shedeur Sanders (Deion son) etc. There’s a few more but these are the top ones imho Ha, every year is the same thing. The better talent will be in the next class... Two months ago we had a group on bbi telling us there were 8 QBs (6 to 8 anyway) that would be 1st round talent. And as usual it will be down to maybe 3 or 4 by the end of the NCAA season. We know very little about QB development and talent and gaudy numbers are not indicative of true talent.

Such a great post. I never understand why so many fans got horrified of picking a QB.

No doubting the talent, but there is no way I would ever take a QB his size. I know what he's kisted as, but if he's over 190 pounds I'd be stunned. Just ripe for getting demolished by NFL sized players and frequentl injured.

Our HC (and Mara's nephew) have already been out to see a couple of these QB's.

with the QBs for UVa and Cuse probably came away disappointed.

I've seen a lot of Armstrong - mid to late rounder at best - and he couldn't throw the ball into the ocean last night. Very poor effort. Now, it looks like Cuse has a pretty solid defense, so maybe that was a factor.

I haven't seen Schrader play at all and was very interested in seeing him. He has good size and can move a bit, but he reminded me a bit of Jones with the way he dealt with pocket pressure. Not great footwork, and when he would get distracted by the rush, he would stop looking downfield. Didn't get a good read on his arm, but nothing in the plus category. It's only one game and UVa does have a solid D with a very good D line.

In comment 15828933 Earl the goat said:

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In comment 15828796 Jay on the Island said: Quote: I would love to come out of this 1st round with a QB and TE Michael Mayer. Mayer is going to be a star TE in the NFL who can actually block. The kid Brock from Georgia is just as good of TE as Mayer if not better

He’s not draft eligible

... intrigued by Richardson.

to not be apart of this draft either. He's got a ways to go, and I can't imagine he'd be in the first round conversation.

In comment 15829148 barens said:

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to not be apart of this draft either. He's got a ways to go, and I can't imagine he'd be in the first round conversation.

Van Dyke is absolutely in the 1st round conversation as of right now

of Tulsa this year?

In comment 15829148 barens said:

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to not be apart of this draft either. He's got a ways to go, and I can't imagine he'd be in the first round conversation.

Why? He was very good last year. And while he's off to a slow start this year, the talent is clearly there.

"-- Very high on Andre Carter, West Point, at Edge - #11"

Nice to see a shout-out for Army football. Do military academy players still have to serve before they play pro ball, or can they now go pro right after college? I have a vague recollection that that rule was changed a while ago.

In comment 15829094 Now Mike in MD said:

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No doubting the talent, but there is no way I would ever take a QB his size. I know what he's kisted as, but if he's over 190 pounds I'd be stunned. Just ripe for getting demolished by NFL sized players and frequentl injured.

He's got the right disposition for the position. Which goes a long way.

But I do agree that his size is a concern. And he's not going to outrun pro speed when he's on the run. His arm looks good, but nothing special. Safe to say he's going to be one of the more polarizing prospects in the draft.

In comment 15829159 Del Shofner said:

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"-- Very high on Andre Carter, West Point, at Edge - #11" Nice to see a shout-out for Army football. Do military academy players still have to serve before they play pro ball, or can they now go pro right after college? I have a vague recollection that that rule was changed a while ago.

Yes, academy players can now defer service.

Posted 8/25 (so evaluations don't included latest results)...

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1 QB *CJ Stroud Ohio St 2 QB *Bryce Young Alabama 3 ER *Will Anderson Alabama 4 DL *Jalen Carter Georgia 5 WR *Kayshon Boutte LSU 6 LB Nolan Smith Georgia 7 CB *Kelee Ringo Georgia 8 WR *Jaxon Smith-Njigba Ohio St 9 TE *Michael Mayer Notre Dame 10 DL *Bryan Bresee Clemson 11 OT *Paris Johnson Ohio St 12 ER *Isaiah Foskey Notre Dame 13 WR *Jordan Addison USC 14 ER *Myles Murphy Clemson 15 RB *Bijan Robinson Texas 16 QB Will Levis Kentucky 17 OG *Peter Skoronski Northwestern 18 LB *Noah Sewell Oregon 19 CB *Cam Smith South Carolina 20 LB *Trenton Simpson Clemson 21 CB *Christian Gonzalez Oregon 22 TE *Arik Gilbert Georgia 23 S Jordan Battle Alabama 24 ER *Andre Carter Army 25 QB *Tyler Van Dyke Miami 26 CB *Joey Porter Penn St 27 ER Tyree Wilson Texas Tech 28 QB *Anthony Richardson Florida 29 QB *Tanner McKee Stanford 30 DL *Siaki Ika Baylor 31 CB *Emmanuel Forbes Mississippi St 32 OT Jaelyn Duncan Maryland

p.s.--According to THR, TE Arik Gilbert is draft eligible.

In comment 15828804 BostonBlueFish said:

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Monster from Clemson

wouldn't shock me if he's a #1 overall pick.

the rankings of interior linemen on both sides of the ball and off the ball linebackers as they refer to them now.

Now I expect the Giants to be in the lower middle of the draft which should get them a chance to draft someone in the top tier at a premium position without trading up. However, it might be a better strategy to then select someone from the top tier at a less premium position before selecting someone from the second or third tier at the premium position with their second-round pick

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In comment 15829254 Semipro Lineman said:

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the rankings of interior linemen on both sides of the ball and off the ball linebackers as they refer to them now.

I think one track the Giants may be considering is Ezeudu--Lemieux--McKethan from left to right. Lemieux was getting practice reps at center in his rookie camp and again during this year's camp before getting injured. They like his leadership and smarts, but he's not quite athletic/strong enough to be a plus player at guard. Center is his shot at being the next Shaun O'Hara or Bart Oates or Nick Gates. And speaking of Gates, I imagine he is still in the mix along with our current starter, Feliciano (it's too early to write Feliciano off, he's new to the position and we saw how it took Gates a few games before he hit his stride). And Bredeson is another who showed he belongs in the conversation.

So lots of interesting possibilities at center already on the team and I'm pretty sure the scouts and coaches view Ezeudu as the future at left guard (although, funny thing, he could also be in the mix at center!). It's at right guard that the pickings are slim. Glowinski is just a stop-gap for 2022 and insurance for 2023. McKethan was drafted in the 5th round as an option here, but the injury deprived him of his chance to prove himself (and the 5th round is not exactly a vote of confidence).

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He looks sensation today. Throwing lasers.

Jahmal Banks is a good looking big-target WR for Wake.

In comment 15829295 bw in dc said:

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In comment 15829273 Anakim said: Quote: . He looks sensation today. Throwing lasers. Jahmal Banks is a good looking big-target WR for Wake.

I like AT Perry too for the Football Giants, but I'd like to see him dominate games more. He was fantastic against Vanderbilt, but the other games he was somewhat underwhelming. But I think he's bound to take off with Hartman back in the fold.

In comment 15829301 Anakim said:

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I like AT Perry too for the Football Giants, but I'd like to see him dominate games more. He was fantastic against Vanderbilt, but the other games he was somewhat underwhelming. But I think he's bound to take off with Hartman back in the fold.

Yeah, he's a big body, too. Good mix of targets for Hartman, who drives me crazy with his play. A lot of good but some bad always sneaks into his game, too...