Last year, the Titans finished 12-5, won the NFC South and were the #1 seed in the AFC.
It was a team that featured:
*Ryan Tannehill at QB. (The player Jones is most often compared to.)
*A tough running game lead by a Superstar RB in Derrick Henry.
*A stingy Defense that could play the run and pass.
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As we saw week 1, the Giants and Titans aren't as far apart as people thought. At 2-0, they have ~65% chance of making the Playoffs. They've got some big boy coaches in the building now with Daboll and Wink Martindale. Why can't the Giants use TEN's formula from last year and take the #1 seed in the much weaker NFC?
Let's beat Dallas.
Our defense is probably not as good as theirs.
Their running game, overall, was probably better than ours. Henry at his best generally didn't get consistent yards early in games. The Titans ground teams down, and then Henry would get big chink yards in the 3rd and 4th Qs. I don't see the Giants grinding teams down at this juncture.
Hardly, at this juncture. You could speculate that Jones might be as productive as Tannehil at his apex. Sure, maybe. But established levels of production? No. Jones' comp right now is Trubisky, not Tannehill.
It is really going to be a one game at a time season where we'll have to prove it each week.
I still project us at 17-0 though.
Henry missed 9 games last season.
Generally speaking it looks like the identity is going to be run the rock and play defense. They can win with that even though it doesn’t jive with the stat dorks take on offense in the NFL.
Really looking forward to the defense at full strength. It’s been forever since they’ve had an actual pass rush let alone a viable rotation.
Our defense is probably not as good as theirs.
Their running game, overall, was probably better than ours. Henry at his best generally didn't get consistent yards early in games. The Titans ground teams down, and then Henry would get big chink yards in the 3rd and 4th Qs. I don't see the Giants grinding teams down at this juncture.
All of this, plus our OL isn't as good.
1--- The Defense from the Giants is very overrated. They have played two crummy offensive teams. The inside LB's and the corners are extremely, extremely suspect.
2-- The Offensive Line with such a weak interior and a rookie RT is extremely, extremely suspect vs a Tintas team able to easily get holes last year.
3--- As you mentioned to me on a prior post - the WR crew and TE's are God-Awful. There is an enormous difference - enormous - enormous difference between AJ Brown and what the Giants have.
4--- Barkley's health. How is it predictable in any way?
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SO in summary:
1--- If Daniel Jones can get his QBR rating to near to about 8th that Tannehill was instead of 27th where Jones is now then yes they have a chance along with other summarized points mentioned ALSO happen.
2--- If Barkley can manage an injury free year then yes they have a chance along with other summarized points mentioned ALSO happen.
3--- If the Giants have a stud WR like AJ Brown then yes they have a chance along with other summarized points mentioned ALSO happen.
4-- The Tenn Titans OL was 2nd bets in NFL rushing even with Henry missing games, so we see how terrible the Inside OL is - so if they can turn it around and be among the best in all of football despite being sort of castaways like they were then yes they have a chance along with other summarized points mentioned ALSO happen.
5-- If the ILB's can perform at acceptable elves despite having either a lack of talent and/or experience then yes they have a chance along with other summarized points mentioned ALSO happen.
6--- If Adoree Jackson can play like a number 1 corner in which he certainly never came close to performing as last year then yes they have a chance along with other summarized points mentioned ALSO happen.
7--- If the unproven other CB's could elevate their games vs what they showed last year and/or this year with new pickups or no injuries and perform at a high level in which none have done previously then yes they have a chance along with other summarized points mentioned ALSO happen.
This is a lot of "what if's."
I think it should also be pointed out that just because the Giants beat the 2022 Titans, that does not make the Giants better than the 2021 Titans. I think we’re seeing that this year the Titans are a bad team and aren’t comparable to 2021.
Giants probably have a better OL than titans did, at least at the tackle spot.
Better edge rushers if KT/Azeez are as good as we think.
Both teams had good safeties and IDL, questions at CB. Titans better at LB and WR- although the Giants have better depth at WR.
Tannehill better than Jones though not by much. But he definitely sees the game better. Talent level is similar.
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But the Giants do not compare to the Titans of last year. When the Titans went in to a game, they knew they had a bell cow that could rush for 150 yds and have DBs make a business decision when they see him coming. The Giants don't have that nor do they have a consistent run game. The D is respectable. By no means is it stingy. It is not like they played top 5 offenses and brought them to the woodshed. They have nothing on D that resembles Harold Landry or Jeffrey Simmons or AJ Brown on offense. It's early and there is a long way to go. Let's circle back to Week 10 and see where they are. I believe they have a chance to go 3-0 by the end of Monday night.
Henry missed 9 games last season.
Oops 😊
This defense has been good, I don care whom they have played. This offense has closed out games, something they haven’t done in a decade.
Making the playoffs might put a big dent in the “win 3 games and get your quarterback “ plan, but it s a distinct possibility.
This defense has been good, I don care whom they have played.
It does feel good for most of us. But we hear every year what you are saying this year that this team is different. While it is because they are 2-0 but to compare it to the AFC Bets Record team from the prior year just isn't credible at this point.
All it does is invite future criticism if the probable record becomes something much worse that12 wins by Tennessee form last year.
So who do you think is going to get blamed for this? OFC mostly Daniel Jones.
Al because of an absolutely insane comparison because the Giants are 2-0.
It’s nice that you say now that you don’t care who they have played. But once their record deteriorates to a certain level you’ll be digging at the posters who complain about Jones or other parts because they will ask the same looney question the OP is asking.
How about waiting after 5-6 games instead of Two to compare a top team the last few years vs a bottom team the last several?
That said, we could make the playoffs. But that has more to do with the # of playoff berths and the weakness of the NFC
No reason we can't copy them. Ball control offense, stingy D, win the close games with a good kicker.
1--- The Defense from the Giants is very overrated. They have played two crummy offensive teams. The inside LB's and the corners are extremely, extremely suspect.
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Agree with the whole post but especially this. I feel like people are getting very excited about our D and I'm definitely excited about Wink especially. But I'm not sure how we do against good offenses and the Panthers are not a good offense, the Titans look pretty bad right now too.
The Titans D was one of the top units last year. I don't think our D can be at all that, even at it's ceiling.
What?
In 2019 they went to AFC Championship game and exploded once they got Tannehill. In 2020 they were 11-5.
What are you saying? You are saying no one thought they were that good?
1--- The Defense from the Giants is very overrated. They have played two crummy offensive teams. The inside LB's and the corners are extremely, extremely suspect.
Agree with the whole post but especially this. I feel like people are getting very excited about our D and I'm definitely excited about Wink especially. But I'm not sure how we do against good offenses and the Panthers are not a good offense, the Titans look pretty bad right now too.
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+1.
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But the Giants do not compare to the Titans of last year. When the Titans went in to a game, they knew they had a bell cow that could rush for 150 yds and have DBs make a business decision when they see him coming. The Giants don't have that nor do they have a consistent run game. The D is respectable. By no means is it stingy. It is not like they played top 5 offenses and brought them to the woodshed. They have nothing on D that resembles Harold Landry or Jeffrey Simmons or AJ Brown on offense. It's early and there is a long way to go. Let's circle back to Week 10 and see where they are. I believe they have a chance to go 3-0 by the end of Monday night.
Henry missed 9 games last season.
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But the Giants do not compare to the Titans of last year. When the Titans went in to a game, they knew they had a bell cow that could rush for 150 yds and have DBs make a business decision when they see him coming. The Giants don't have that nor do they have a consistent run game. The D is respectable. By no means is it stingy. It is not like they played top 5 offenses and brought them to the woodshed. They have nothing on D that resembles Harold Landry or Jeffrey Simmons or AJ Brown on offense. It's early and there is a long way to go. Let's circle back to Week 10 and see where they are. I believe they have a chance to go 3-0 by the end of Monday night.
Henry missed 9 games last season.
And the Titans still made the playoffs. If we lose Barkley for 9 games, the season half over. I see your point though, we aren't TEN as I think they had more overall depth last season and limped into the post-season.
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It s feel good time…….for most of us. It s a much different team than last season, yet some continue to evaluate them as if it s the same team.
This defense has been good, I don care whom they have played.
It does feel good for most of us. But we hear every year what you are saying this year that this team is different. While it is because they are 2-0 but to compare it to the AFC Bets Record team from the prior year just isn't credible at this point.
All it does is invite future criticism if the probable record becomes something much worse that12 wins by Tennessee form last year.
So who do you think is going to get blamed for this? OFC mostly Daniel Jones.
Al because of an absolutely insane comparison because the Giants are 2-0.
It’s nice that you say now that you don’t care who they have played. But once their record deteriorates to a certain level you’ll be digging at the posters who complain about Jones or other parts because they will ask the same looney question the OP is asking.
How about waiting after 5-6 games instead of Two to compare a top team the last few years vs a bottom team the last several?
I think maybe I ve misrepresent my views. I m not agreeing that this year s version at 2-0 is on pace to win the division; I agree it s way too early for that.
I wouldn’t be surprised if at some time this season they hit a losing streak. Just saying at the unexpected 2-0 beginning, this is a reason for optimism. Plus this is a very different team from last season’s whether it s stated every year or not.
Also I don’t worry about criticism if I m wrong. It s just an opinion on a football message board.
And people still ask why anyone refers to a "DJFC" on BBI? This is why.
Jones is Tannehill? Get a fucking grip. Jones has a ways to go to be on Tannehill's level, and that's not even a compliment to Tannehill.
For people who don't follow the NFL, they see a tall, white, non-prolific QB who runs fast in a straight line and just assume they're the same.
The manner in which NYG won its first two games is unlikely to represent a sustainable model for winning 12 out of 17 games.
Quite honestly, if this roster wins 12 games and Jones' trajectory stays basically where it is, that's not a good thing in terms of setting up the QB position for sustained success.
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It s feel good time…….for most of us. It s a much different team than last season, yet some continue to evaluate them as if it s the same team.
This defense has been good, I don care whom they have played.
It does feel good for most of us. But we hear every year what you are saying this year that this team is different. While it is because they are 2-0 but to compare it to the AFC Bets Record team from the prior year just isn't credible at this point.
All it does is invite future criticism if the probable record becomes something much worse that12 wins by Tennessee form last year.
So who do you think is going to get blamed for this? OFC mostly Daniel Jones.
Al because of an absolutely insane comparison because the Giants are 2-0.
It’s nice that you say now that you don’t care who they have played. But once their record deteriorates to a certain level you’ll be digging at the posters who complain about Jones or other parts because they will ask the same looney question the OP is asking.
How about waiting after 5-6 games instead of Two to compare a top team the last few years vs a bottom team the last several?
I think maybe I ve misrepresent my views. I m not agreeing that this year s version at 2-0 is on pace to win the division; I agree it s way too early for that.
I wouldn’t be surprised if at some time this season they hit a losing streak. Just saying at the unexpected 2-0 beginning, this is a reason for optimism. Plus this is a very different team from last season’s whether it s stated every year or not.
Also I don’t worry about criticism if I m wrong. It s just an opinion on a football message board.
I agree.
I made the comment about criticism only that it will possibly come again full circle.