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Aaron Robinson would be playing if he were a Cowboy

Rico : 9/24/2022 10:06 pm
I'm not sure why it is taking so long to get Robinson back. He had his appy 12 days before the Cowboy game. It's 3 very small incisions (that should be healed by now) and a staple line where his appendix used to be. I'm a doc, and I do the anesthesia for these surgeries. Patients go home the same day, and recovery is very quick. I have a friend who did an Ironman Triathlon 7 days after the same surgery.

Jason Witten had an enlarged spleen and was at risk of rupturing it with a big hit. He played against us the next week with specially designed padding over his abdomen.

Dak had surgery on the thumb of his throwing hand. I would think he would be out for 6 to 8 weeks, but it sounds like he will be back in 3 to 4 weeks.

I don't think there is a question if Robinson would play this week if he were a Cowboy. Of course he would, and he would be very effective and show no signs of the surgery. Maybe the Cowboys are A-holes for rushing guys back too fast, or maybe our docs are too conservative. I think it's a little bit of both.



My daughter was having sharp pains in her stomach last month  
nyjuggernaut2 : 9/24/2022 10:17 pm : link
Dr said if she needed her appendix removed the surgery would only take 30 minutes and she would be back at school in 48 hours. Turned out it was a cyst she had so never needed the surgery, but I’m curious as to why players who have the surgery are normally out for close to a month?
RE: My daughter was having sharp pains in her stomach last month  
NYGiants19 : 9/24/2022 10:23 pm : link
In comment 15829610 nyjuggernaut2 said:
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Dr said if she needed her appendix removed the surgery would only take 30 minutes and she would be back at school in 48 hours. Turned out it was a cyst she had so never needed the surgery, but I’m curious as to why players who have the surgery are normally out for close to a month?

Your daughter is not getting run over by 230 lb running backs and she i does not have to tackle 250 lb tight ends
RE: RE: My daughter was having sharp pains in her stomach last month  
BSIMatt : 9/24/2022 10:41 pm : link
In comment 15829613 NYGiants19 said:
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Dr said if she needed her appendix removed the surgery would only take 30 minutes and she would be back at school in 48 hours. Turned out it was a cyst she had so never needed the surgery, but I’m curious as to why players who have the surgery are normally out for close to a month?


Your daughter is not getting run over by 230 lb running backs and she i does not have to tackle 250 lb tight ends


You say that like you know it as fact.
Not sure why he hasn't healed yet either...  
Kev in Cali : 9/24/2022 10:54 pm : link
Maybe he's the weakness, often soft/slow to cover, and zero spur to his game guy?

If he keeps it up, I doubt he'd be playing for any team given his start to the NFL.

3 career starts, a stand out for sure.
A Rob stats - ( New Window )
Wanted to add...  
Kev in Cali : 9/24/2022 11:04 pm : link
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A Rob interview - ( New Window )
RE: Not sure why he hasn't healed yet either...  
Bill in UT : 9/24/2022 11:44 pm : link
In comment 15829620 Kev in Cali said:
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Maybe he's the weakness, often soft/slow to cover, and zero spur to his game guy?

If he keeps it up, I doubt he'd be playing for any team given his start to the NFL.

3 career starts, a stand out for sure. A Rob stats - ( New Window )


No one said he hasn't healed, they just said he isn't playing. The criteria for him playing are obviously very subjective.
RE: RE: RE: My daughter was having sharp pains in her stomach last month  
Scuzzlebutt : 9/24/2022 11:49 pm : link
In comment 15829618 BSIMatt said:
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In comment 15829610 nyjuggernaut2 said:


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Dr said if she needed her appendix removed the surgery would only take 30 minutes and she would be back at school in 48 hours. Turned out it was a cyst she had so never needed the surgery, but I’m curious as to why players who have the surgery are normally out for close to a month?


Your daughter is not getting run over by 230 lb running backs and she i does not have to tackle 250 lb tight ends



You say that like you know it as fact.


LOL!
Rico, you are the MD.  
section125 : 9/25/2022 2:30 am : link
You also had some insider info from time to time. I guess you are not hearing anything. But wouldn't even three small incisions in the abdominal wall weaken that area and be prone to further tears in the muscle? With all the violent twisting that DBs do, maybe they deemed he needed an additional week to strengthen that area?

My guess, We all know the Giants are conservative with their medical issues. And Daboll says that if you don't get the prep time in during the week, you do not play. So probably a combo of the two.
RE: My daughter was having sharp pains in her stomach last month  
nochance : 9/25/2022 6:55 am : link
In comment 15829610 nyjuggernaut2 said:
[quote] Dr said if she needed her appendix removed the surgery would only take 30 minutes and she would be back at school in 48 hours. Turned out it was a cyst she had so never needed the surgery, but I’m curious as to why players who have the surgery are normally out for close to a month? [/quote


Your daughter doesn't play cornerback for an NFL team
Honestly, this is so dumb  
ThreePoints : 9/25/2022 7:01 am : link
We're all just giant meat bags filled with chemicals. Everyone is different. Everyone's body reacts differently.

For every "guy does Ironman 7 days after surgery" situation you see, how many "guy still isn't 100% after 2 weeks" do you see? How come you don't talk about those guys? Because I'm sure there's a few but it doesn't fit this narrative you have.

This place gets loonier by the day.
his 2021 sports hernia  
bluefin : 9/25/2022 7:06 am : link
might be a factor
Bottom line is he’s recovering from surgery  
Eman11 : 9/25/2022 7:24 am : link
Every person heals differently and I once had a surgeon tell me there’s no such thing as a minor surgery. Some are more major than others but any surgery is still surgery no matter how small or common they are.

I’d think a pro football player would need to heal fully from this type of an invasive surgery even if that’s just a matter of an extra week with no contact. Maybe others can get back to work quicker but I doubt they’re working in an environment with such violent body contact.
if there’s one thing  
The Jake : 9/25/2022 7:34 am : link
our medical staff isn’t, it’s over-cautious.

we’re one of the most injured teams in the past decade.

it would be refreshing, frankly, if we started holding players with injuries out longer. they might have a fighting chance at a career.
Weird thread  
BigBlueShock : 9/25/2022 7:38 am : link
Aside from the fact that it takes some pretty good ramping up to play an NFL game, we don’t really know enough about this situation to make blanket statements like “well my friend recovered fast!”. Every situation is different. It’s possible I missed some info on this but was it ever made public whether or not the appendix burst?

And yes, the Giants staff has always been conservative with injuries. And that’s mostly a good thing for the players health. But hey, we fans want to win a football game, damn it! Get back out there so we can rip you to shreds because you’re not ready and play like shit!
I had to have my appendix out  
Jimmy Meatballs : 9/25/2022 7:45 am : link
at 24 when I was playing minor league baseball. I was in great shape and have been a fast healer and I can say that I was really surprised at how long the recovery took. I had pretty intense abdominal pain for a few days. The first time I sneezed was some of the worst pain I’ve felt in my life. I was a pitcher and had a max effort motion. IIRC I was out about 3-4 weeks. A week for recovery, a week to strengthen my core and start throwing, and a week or two on a rehab assignment. All approximations.

I did not feel my timetable was slow, honestly. In order to allow my body to twist and create torque the way I needed put a lot of pressure on my core. And that’s not even a fraction of the physical toll a football player goes through.
RE: Weird thread  
The Jake : 9/25/2022 7:52 am : link
In comment 15829668 BigBlueShock said:
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the Giants staff has always been conservative with injuries.


yeah “weird” is a good word, alright…


Giants most injured team since 2009 - ( New Window )
RE: RE: Weird thread  
BigBlueShock : 9/25/2022 7:58 am : link
In comment 15829675 The Jake said:
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the Giants staff has always been conservative with injuries.



yeah “weird” is a good word, alright…
Giants most injured team since 2009 - ( New Window )

You’re not very fucking bright, huh? You’re trying to tie in games missed due to injury with them NOT being conservative with injuries? How the hell does that make any sense?

1. The amount of injury has absolutely nothing to do with how conservative they are when injuries do happen

2. If anything, wouldn’t the amount of games missed prove that they are indeed conservative and keeping players off the field longer?
Too hard to Judge  
upnyg : 9/25/2022 8:00 am : link
I'm an old guy and out of shape...so that's first. I had an umbilical hernia a couple years ago. Had the surgery and i have to say the abdominal pain was longer than expected. Just getting out of bed, going to bathroom hurt.

I did some rehab to strengthen and stretch the muscles, but for me was about 3-4 weeks beofre I felt 100%. Again, not the same surgery but your core muscles affect everything.

I think we usually fault the medical staff here for rushing or improper recovery. Id rather give him the extra week or so and have him 1005 the rest of the season.

RE: Too hard to Judge  
upnyg : 9/25/2022 8:01 am : link
In comment 15829678 upnyg said:
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I'm an old guy and out of shape...so that's first. I had an umbilical hernia a couple years ago. Had the surgery and i have to say the abdominal pain was longer than expected. Just getting out of bed, going to bathroom hurt.

I did some rehab to strengthen and stretch the muscles, but for me was about 3-4 weeks beofre I felt 100%. Again, not the same surgery but your core muscles affect everything.

I think we usually fault the medical staff here for rushing or improper recovery. Id rather give him the extra week or so and have him 1005 the rest of the season.
meant 100%
you have it exactly backwards  
The Jake : 9/25/2022 8:05 am : link
and this is part of why our fan base enables this awful owner - no critical thinking.

the fact that we missed so many “man games” isn’t because our medical staff is conservative. it’s because so many players suffered catastrophic, season ending injuries. when players get hurt on this team, they stay hurt.

now go drink your medium pepsi like a good sycophant.
RE: you have it exactly backwards  
BigBlueShock : 9/25/2022 8:14 am : link
In comment 15829680 The Jake said:
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and this is part of why our fan base enables this awful owner - no critical thinking.

the fact that we missed so many “man games” isn’t because our medical staff is conservative. it’s because so many players suffered catastrophic, season ending injuries. when players get hurt on this team, they stay hurt.

now go drink your medium pepsi like a good sycophant.

Again, dipshit. What exactly does “catastrophic, season ending injuries..” have to do with how conservative they are when a player gets injured? The point people are making about how conservative they are after injuries happen has completely flown over your brain dead head. You’re just rambling about shit that has nothing to do with the topic.

Conservative treatment after an injury has absolutely NOTHING to do with how many injuries they have. Nothing. They are two different things. But a wouldn’t expect a meathead to be able to separate the two..,
RE: you have it exactly backwards  
section125 : 9/25/2022 8:22 am : link
In comment 15829680 The Jake said:
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and this is part of why our fan base enables this awful owner - no critical thinking.

the fact that we missed so many “man games” isn’t because our medical staff is conservative. it’s because so many players suffered catastrophic, season ending injuries. when players get hurt on this team, they stay hurt.

now go drink your medium pepsi like a good sycophant.


In order to advance your agenda, you say something that is absolutely false.
This organization is conservative in allowing players to return. This was surgery, not an injury. Before Robinson can return from surgery he has to be cleared by the surgeon - the MD and likely the team MD. Head trainer answers to the Doctor.
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SFGFNCGiantsFan : 9/25/2022 8:27 am : link
I'm hoping he's back for the Bears game.
“conservative”  
The Jake : 9/25/2022 8:37 am : link
is a meaningless qualifier. it is not an objective measurable. that’s your opinion as to how you think the team operates. the FACTS are that we are the most injured team in terms of the number of games missed over a statistically meaningful period of time, which means our team is failing in this area.

so who gives a shit if they are “conservative” if our players don’t play?

our medical staff is shit. period. and we have have every right to second guess everything they do, based on the FACTS, not some fan who canonizes Ronnie Barnes.
RE: “conservative”  
section125 : 9/25/2022 8:44 am : link
In comment 15829692 The Jake said:
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is a meaningless qualifier. it is not an objective measurable. that’s your opinion as to how you think the team operates. the FACTS are that we are the most injured team in terms of the number of games missed over a statistically meaningful period of time, which means our team is failing in this area.

so who gives a shit if they are “conservative” if our players don’t play?

our medical staff is shit. period. and we have have every right to second guess everything they do, based on the FACTS, not some fan who canonizes Ronnie Barnes.


You are truly idiotic. What is your medical background? My guess is your limit of medical ability is applying a bandaid to a scratch.
You can’t it up  
BigBlueShock : 9/25/2022 8:46 am : link
Saying the team is typically conservative getting players back on the field is now “canonizing Ronnie Barnes”.

The fact that you don’t have the bandwidth to be able to separate topics being discussed is nobody’s problem but you’re own. I know it’s been a lifelong struggle. Freakin Neanderthal.
LOL  
The Jake : 9/25/2022 8:50 am : link
call me whatever names you want, I promise you I don’t care.

But do ask yourself this question - should you wonder about my medical qualifications? or should you wonder about the medical qualifications of the people who have caused our team to be the most injured since 2009?

try to prioritize the direction of your ire.
Rico  
Biteymax22 : 9/25/2022 8:53 am : link
Its the bracing of the core that needs to be accounted for with a football player. I had hernia surgery a few years ago and my doctor cleared me to do a tough mudder before they’d allow me to lift a weight or play in my flag football league.

Understanding that the guy who did then iron man had to exercise some pain tolerance, the core demands are little to none when comparing to football.
RE: LOL  
section125 : 9/25/2022 9:01 am : link
In comment 15829699 The Jake said:
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But do ask yourself this question - should you wonder about my medical qualifications? or should you wonder about the medical qualifications of the people who have caused our team to be the most injured since 2009?

try to prioritize the direction of your ire.


We don't have ire, that is you. Do not redirect what you are saying and conflate it with what we are saying.
You do not have any medical training or qualifications. Yet, you are flapping your gums.

But I am wasting my time. So carry on your tirade and indignation. That and $3.29 gets you are tall coffee at Starbucks...
the fact  
The Jake : 9/25/2022 9:06 am : link
that you think only someone with medical training is allowed to criticize the most injured team in the last 13 years is exactly the problem!

why should John Mara have the urgency to fix that if fans like you keep giving him cover to continue sucking?

next time you lament a player with potential missing time, look in the mirror.
RE: LOL  
BigBlueShock : 9/25/2022 9:06 am : link
In comment 15829699 The Jake said:
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call me whatever names you want, I promise you I don’t care.

But do ask yourself this question - should you wonder about my medical qualifications? or should you wonder about the medical qualifications of the people who have caused our team to be the most injured since 2009?

try to prioritize the direction of your ire.

Feel free to start a thread to get the pitchforks out for Ronnie Barnes. We have to have someone to blame at all times anyway so let’s get that rolling so you can feel better. That’s not what this thread was for but The Jake is angry at Ronnie Barnes so make a damn thread dedicated to it and stop hijacking threads that aren’t suited for it. In that thread you can tell us everything Barnes does, and all the missteps he’s taken that has caused these injuries. I look forward to your expert analysis
ok pal  
The Jake : 9/25/2022 9:08 am : link
how about you scroll up and review how this thread was “hijacked.”

i posted a link to some data and you got the vapors. facts.
Aaron Robinson has a closed wound in his body  
Essex : 9/25/2022 9:48 am : link
You just don’t take out the appendix and stitch the skin back and say let’s go. You have to take it from a portion of the body and you leave wounds and scar tissue behind. If he gets hit, the wound can open and he can have internal bleeding and possibly die. So, no, the cowboys nor any team would plays him until a doctor says he can safely play.
RE: the fact  
section125 : 9/25/2022 10:01 am : link
In comment 15829704 The Jake said:
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that you think only someone with medical training is allowed to criticize the most injured team in the last 13 years is exactly the problem!

why should John Mara have the urgency to fix that if fans like you keep giving him cover to continue sucking?

next time you lament a player with potential missing time, look in the mirror.


No, anyone can criticize. But you had better have some credentials in order for anyone to truly give a crap about what you say. Otherwise, it is just blather from an unqualified fool.

Right, John Mara wants to pay for injured players, plus their replacements. I guess it is better to be like the Eagles(Cowboys) and allow injured players to get on the field and help ruin the rest of their lives.

Not my worry if an injured player cannot play. Part of the game - any sport. Yes, I wish they were healthy enough to play. But I want them to return when healthy.

But yes, you can keep on ranting about something you have no clue about....
RE: “conservative”  
Mike in Boston : 9/25/2022 10:27 am : link
In comment 15829692 The Jake said:
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is a meaningless qualifier. it is not an objective measurable. that’s your opinion as to how you think the team operates. the FACTS are that we are the most injured team in terms of the number of games missed over a statistically meaningful period of time, which means our team is failing in this area.

so who gives a shit if they are “conservative” if our players don’t play?

our medical staff is shit. period. and we have have every right to second guess everything they do, based on the FACTS, not some fan who canonizes Ronnie Barnes.



Neither you nor I know in what proportion the Giants' recent injury woes stem from poor training, poor medical decisions, poor field conditions, players not wanting to risk further injury on a losing team, players making boneheaded and risky plays [like Jones against the Cowboys last year], taking chances on players with injury histories, or just plain bad luck.
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arcarsenal : 9/25/2022 10:35 am : link
Very doubtful. I had my appendix removed in 2015. I wasn't even supposed to lift anything heavy for a few weeks after. I'm going to venture to guess that playing in an NFL football game this soon after is highly inadvisable.

I couldn't imagine taking significant hits to that area so soon after the surgery.
If this were the case  
UConn4523 : 9/25/2022 10:38 am : link
then why aren’t other Dallas players playing their their injuries?
Could it have been  
SomeFan : 9/25/2022 11:51 am : link
done with full incision?
Lost in the Jake dust-up was this  
ColHowPepper : 9/25/2022 11:59 am : link
In comment 15829668 BigBlueShock said:
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...But hey, we fans want to win a football game, damn it! Get back out there so we can rip you to shreds because you’re not ready and play like shit!

I laughed, BBS, so true
RE: RE: “conservative”  
The Jake : 9/25/2022 12:40 pm : link
In comment 15829751 Mike in Boston said:
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Neither you nor I know in what proportion the Giants' recent injury woes stem from poor training, poor medical decisions, poor field conditions, players not wanting to risk further injury on a losing team, players making boneheaded and risky plays [like Jones against the Cowboys last year], taking chances on players with injury histories, or just plain bad luck.


if this were a 1, 3, or even a 5 year problem, then you’d be right.

13 years? if that isn’t enough to start being critical, then what’s the point of a message board? Giants executives don’t need us to stroke their egos.

if criticizing Ronnie Barnes makes me a bad fan then so be it. he is objectively THE worst trainer/SVP of medical services in all of professional football by the only objective standard that matters.
OK  
Mike in Boston : 9/25/2022 1:00 pm : link
Be critical of whoever you want. I am not sure why you are so confident that the problem is Barnes rather than the groundskeepers or the doctors or any of the other factors I mentioned, but your entitled to your opinion.
Maybe  
RicFlair : 9/25/2022 3:55 pm : link
He’s faking it
Rico, i am doc too… gastroenterologist  
penkap75 : 9/25/2022 7:14 pm : link
Assuming he had a straight forward lap appy, most people are up and about in a few days. However most people are also not playing high level pro sports with violent contact. I am not putting my medical license on the line if he has a lap port wound dehiscence because i prematurely cleared him to play.
we also dont kniw how bad his appendicitis was  
penkap75 : 9/25/2022 7:16 pm : link
if he ruptured, he still could have peritoneal drains in him
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