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Jason Garrett was a believer in Cooper Rush with Giants

Sean : 9/25/2022 9:08 am
The front office thought otherwise though.
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“The decision-makers with the Giants felt like they weren’t overly impressed with how he played or what his potential was,” said Garrett, an analyst on NBC’s “Football Night in America” and Notre Dame telecasts. “To me, Coop is not someone who wows you physically. Sometimes you get caught up in that. Sometimes those decisions happen.”

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Other Giants coaches at the time, including Joe Judge, liked Rush’s makeup, too, sources said. The rest of the NFL is catching on now — three weeks after the Cowboys again put Rush through waivers for any team in the league to steal.

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“Where people have made mistakes on quarterbacks through the years is they get enamored with the wrong things,” Garrett said.

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Rush sucks.  
Anakim : 9/25/2022 9:17 am : link
And BTW, the Cowboys waived him in late August, so 32 teams didn't think he was worthy of a spot on the 53 as recently as one month ago.
I love the Garrett stuff that’s come out lately  
UConn4523 : 9/25/2022 9:30 am : link
truly great stuff
Dallas scored 3 points in the second half last week  
shyster : 9/25/2022 9:30 am : link
OTOH, Rush is a whole lot better than Tyrod Taylor and the Cowboys have him for the vet minimum.

Advantage: Cowboys
RE: I love the Garrett stuff that’s come out lately  
christian : 9/25/2022 9:38 am : link
In comment 15829717 UConn4523 said:
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truly great stuff


I think history will show Garrett is a perfectly average NFL head coach, who ended up on a child’s staff, surrounded by a bunch of that child’s friends.
RE: Dallas scored 3 points in the second half last week  
Anakim : 9/25/2022 9:41 am : link
In comment 15829719 shyster said:
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OTOH, Rush is a whole lot better than Tyrod Taylor and the Cowboys have him for the vet minimum.

Advantage: Cowboys


Based on what? I'd rather have Tyrod than Rush.
RE: RE: I love the Garrett stuff that’s come out lately  
UConn4523 : 9/25/2022 9:47 am : link
In comment 15829724 christian said:
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truly great stuff



I think history will show Garrett is a perfectly average NFL head coach, who ended up on a child’s staff, surrounded by a bunch of that child’s friends.


Maybe? I’d have to see overwhelming evidence he wasn’t in charge of last years offense to think that. And Mike McCarthy did his Jason garret impression in Dallas in 2021 so there’s that too.
RE: RE: Dallas scored 3 points in the second half last week  
shyster : 9/25/2022 9:54 am : link
In comment 15829726 Anakim said:
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Based on what? I'd rather have Tyrod than Rush.


Based on watching the games. Taylor was poor in the preseason and did not look remotely as effective as Rush did against Cincy.
Put Rush in  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 9/25/2022 9:56 am : link
Canton dammit.
RE: RE: RE: Dallas scored 3 points in the second half last week  
section125 : 9/25/2022 10:05 am : link
In comment 15829730 shyster said:
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Based on what? I'd rather have Tyrod than Rush.



Based on watching the games. Taylor was poor in the preseason and did not look remotely as effective as Rush did against Cincy.


Well, there you go, then. Tyrod looked mediocre in preseason with the 3rd and 4th team. Without doubt, a clear indictment of his ability...
RE: RE: I love the Garrett stuff that’s come out lately  
Sean : 9/25/2022 10:11 am : link
In comment 15829724 christian said:
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truly great stuff



I think history will show Garrett is a perfectly average NFL head coach, who ended up on a child’s staff, surrounded by a bunch of that child’s friends.

The irony here is that if Mara pushed Garrett on Judge, he probably was right to do so considering who Judge hired on his staff.
Bleh  
Spider43 : 9/25/2022 10:12 am : link
Garrett has little cred left, after the past couple of seasons.
There is not that much drop off  
joeinpa : 9/25/2022 10:12 am : link
From Dak to Rush.

Giants will have to play much better than their past 12 match ups with Dallas if they want to finally beat this dam team, especially in prime time while having a ceremony at half to honor former players
So a career backup QB  
Giantimistic : 9/25/2022 10:19 am : link
Who is very smart and didn’t have all the natural ability likes a backup QB who played for the same team that he sees similarities.

Also, maybe the drop off from Dan is not so much because ram is overrated.
RE: RE: RE: I love the Garrett stuff that’s come out lately  
christian : 9/25/2022 10:21 am : link
In comment 15829727 UConn4523 said:
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truly great stuff



I think history will show Garrett is a perfectly average NFL head coach, who ended up on a child’s staff, surrounded by a bunch of that child’s friends.



Maybe? I’d have to see overwhelming evidence he wasn’t in charge of last years offense to think that. And Mike McCarthy did his Jason garret impression in Dallas in 2021 so there’s that too.


Personally, I don’t doubt Garrett had a big hand in the offense. I just think Judge was the driving force behind bringing on some of the boneheaded skill position players. And then add all of his lackeys on the offensive staff, and I don’t Garrett was in a good situation.

I’m not enamored with Garrett as a football mind, but I think he’s a ring above Joe Judge.
RE: RE: I love the Garrett stuff that’s come out lately  
cosmicj : 9/25/2022 10:24 am : link
In comment 15829724 christian said:
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truly great stuff



I think history will show Garrett is a perfectly average NFL head coach, who ended up on a child’s staff, surrounded by a bunch of that child’s friends.


+1. What I don’t understand is why Garrett took the Giants OC job.
Back up QB like Rush  
larryflower37 : 9/25/2022 10:30 am : link
Are always the heros for a couple games where they are nursed and don't have the game in there hands.
Limited playbook, just don't make mistakes.
Over 17 games the world would quickly realize Rush is not an NFL QB.
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SFGFNCGiantsFan : 9/25/2022 10:33 am : link
I 99.9% believe Mara all but forced Garrett on JJ.
RE: RE: RE: I love the Garrett stuff that’s come out lately  
FStubbs : 9/25/2022 10:33 am : link
In comment 15829749 cosmicj said:
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truly great stuff



I think history will show Garrett is a perfectly average NFL head coach, who ended up on a child’s staff, surrounded by a bunch of that child’s friends.



+1. What I don’t understand is why Garrett took the Giants OC job.


Garrett's father was a former player and coach for the Giants, and Garrett himself is a former Giant.
RE: Back up QB like Rush  
FStubbs : 9/25/2022 10:34 am : link
In comment 15829753 larryflower37 said:
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Are always the heros for a couple games where they are nursed and don't have the game in there hands.
Limited playbook, just don't make mistakes.
Over 17 games the world would quickly realize Rush is not an NFL QB.


I don't think the Cowboys are nursing him. They're running the same plays.

The players just play harder for him. And he has some skill.
i'll say this about garrett  
Eric on Li : 9/25/2022 10:35 am : link
the nyg organization may have been slightly better off hiring him as head coach instead of judge. but the way he ran his offense and his judgement w/r/t columbo seems to indicate he still has no idea how to be a winning coach in the nfl.

in dallas their offense took a leap forward when he was there thanks to kellen moore modernizing their attack plan and jason garrett seemed intent on not learning from that part of his experience at all.
RE: i'll say this about garrett  
FStubbs : 9/25/2022 10:38 am : link
In comment 15829761 Eric on Li said:
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the nyg organization may have been slightly better off hiring him as head coach instead of judge. but the way he ran his offense and his judgement w/r/t columbo seems to indicate he still has no idea how to be a winning coach in the nfl.

in dallas their offense took a leap forward when he was there thanks to kellen moore modernizing their attack plan and jason garrett seemed intent on not learning from that part of his experience at all.


Allegedly we drafted Andrew Thomas - the best draft pick of the Gettleman era - because Garrett pounded the table for him.
Ginger on ginger  
CromartiesKid21 : 9/25/2022 10:57 am : link
Support
RE: RE: i'll say this about garrett  
Eric on Li : 9/25/2022 11:03 am : link
In comment 15829765 FStubbs said:
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the nyg organization may have been slightly better off hiring him as head coach instead of judge. but the way he ran his offense and his judgement w/r/t columbo seems to indicate he still has no idea how to be a winning coach in the nfl.

in dallas their offense took a leap forward when he was there thanks to kellen moore modernizing their attack plan and jason garrett seemed intent on not learning from that part of his experience at all.



Allegedly we drafted Andrew Thomas - the best draft pick of the Gettleman era - because Garrett pounded the table for him.


people tied themselves in knots but Andrew Thomas was a chalk pick. mcginn had him as his top overall OT and easily forgotten 2 of the other top OTs didn't even play LT (wirfs/wills).

i also dont believe any individual person in an organization can pound the table for a pick that high and sway things other than a head coach or gm. those are organizational discussions that were probably settled or at least short listed a month or more ahead of the draft.
Maybe Garrett  
fkap : 9/25/2022 11:04 am : link
came to the Giants because he saw a newbie HC with little offensive experience. This would leave Garrett in the drivers seat in implementing an offense and running things on that part of the team. Short term, his role has meaning, rather than simply passing orders along. Long term, with success, his reputation is rebuilt.

Now, maybe Mara sold this to Garrett, and when Garrett arrived, he found Judge had other ideas, and the two didn't mesh.

Or, maybe Garrett was mistaken how much of a boss he was going to be, and the two didn't mesh.

Or, maybe Garrett got what he wanted, and couldn't produce.

I don't think Garrett can be painted as a victim. He was part of the problem, not part of the solution.
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broadbandz : 9/25/2022 11:06 am : link
Im sure Cooper looked deadly throwing all thise stick and curl routes for Jason. Just like Judge was obessed with special team "leaders" nothing about that coaching staff was interested in what works in the modern NFL.
The one that got away lol  
Jint Fan in Buc Land : 9/25/2022 11:15 am : link
59% completion
6.8 ypa

Little early for the "i always knew he was special even when others didn't" victory lap. Wink should destroy this f-ing guy.
RE: RE: I love the Garrett stuff that’s come out lately  
mfsd : 9/25/2022 11:16 am : link
In comment 15829724 christian said:
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truly great stuff



I think history will show Garrett is a perfectly average NFL head coach, who ended up on a child’s staff, surrounded by a bunch of that child’s friends.


This is one of the most amusing and on point analogies ive read here in a while, well done
Garrett  
Toth029 : 9/25/2022 11:20 am : link
Stunk and Joe Judge was in over his head. It can work both ways.

Cooper Rush did little vs Cincinnati and will meet Wink Martindale Monday night. Let's see the results.
RE: Garrett  
mfsd : 9/25/2022 11:24 am : link
In comment 15829795 Toth029 said:
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Stunk and Joe Judge was in over his head. It can work both ways.

Cooper Rush did little vs Cincinnati and will meet Wink Martindale Monday night. Let's see the results.


Agree about Rush. While the Giants haven’t been afraid to make backup QBs look like Joe Montana over the years, let’s see how this guy does tomorrow night before we fit him for his gold jacket
There’s a lot to like about Rush.  
Section331 : 9/25/2022 11:38 am : link
He’s smart, sees the field well, gets the ball out quickly. He just doesn’t have the arm strength to be a top tier QB. I wonder if Garrett liked Rush because he saw a lot of himself in Rush. JG was a terrific backup, but that was really h is ceiling. I suspect the same with Rush.
 
christian : 9/25/2022 11:59 am : link
I think Jason Garrett is a career .560 head coach, who had 1 losing season as a full time head coach in 9 seasons, but had an underwhelming 5 seasons with 8 or 9 wins. He’s the epitome of average. I think eventually he’ll get another shot as a pro or college head coach, and the results will be the same — average.

Joe Judge has a lot to learn. He’s obviously got time on his side. Getting beat out by Matt Patricia as a play caller doesn’t bode well for him. I have no guess on what’s next for him.

Judge bought into his own shit, filled the staff with a bunch of lackeys, and fell on his face.
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BrettNYG10 : 9/25/2022 12:11 pm : link
In comment 15829816 christian said:
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I think Jason Garrett is a career .560 head coach, who had 1 losing season as a full time head coach in 9 seasons, but had an underwhelming 5 seasons with 8 or 9 wins. He’s the epitome of average. I think eventually he’ll get another shot as a pro or college head coach, and the results will be the same — average.

Joe Judge has a lot to learn. He’s obviously got time on his side. Getting beat out by Matt Patricia as a play caller doesn’t bode well for him. I have no guess on what’s next for him.

Judge bought into his own shit, filled the staff with a bunch of lackeys, and fell on his face.


I think Garrett lacked some of the creativity that we are seeing from Daboll/Kafka, but if Garrett was as terrible as his detractors claim I think we would see meaningful improvement this season. Which I don't think we have yet.

I tend to agree Garrett is average.
JG is a good football coach  
Lines of Scrimmage : 9/25/2022 12:17 pm : link
Not going to debate at what title but he understands football and he knows how to support young QB's. Dak owes a lot of his success with how JG supported him imv. He did the same with Romo.

He may not have the creativity of some other offensive coaches but the big problem for the Giants has been talent. Most of the offensive issues are rooted in the OL for a decade. The big WR additions added last year? Ok. The OL they beloved in? Ok.

I don't follow the Cowboys very closely but I can't recall where he was ever in danger of losing a team in 9 years. Perhaps the last year some of that came out but I think his players respected and played hard for him. That says something imv.

Well, as has happened in the past back up qb's have come in and  
Jack Stroud : 9/25/2022 1:21 pm : link
carved up the Giants, I don't think this trend ends on Monday, look for Rush to have a big game and end up as a starter on some team next year.
RE: Well, as has happened in the past back up qb's have come in and  
Blue21 : 9/25/2022 1:52 pm : link
In comment 15829885 Jack Stroud said:
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carved up the Giants, I don't think this trend ends on Monday, look for Rush to have a big game and end up as a starter on some team next year.
who knows maybe here
You gotta love the Dallas PR team  
JOrthman : 9/25/2022 1:54 pm : link
Now this kid is the second coming of Tom Brady, despite the fact he's been kicking around the league for awhile.
RE: You gotta love the Dallas PR team  
cosmicj : 9/25/2022 3:04 pm : link
In comment 15829923 JOrthman said:
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Now this kid is the second coming of Tom Brady, despite the fact he's been kicking around the league for awhile.


He is 29 but has only ever been on the Dallas roster.
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JOrthman : 9/25/2022 3:20 pm : link
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Now this kid is the second coming of Tom Brady, despite the fact he's been kicking around the league for awhile.



He is 29 but has only ever been on the Dallas roster.


Yes, and usually the practice squad, always coming back to Dallas as no one picks him up.
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