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The Truth about Toney?

Reale01 : 9/25/2022 12:20 pm
The simple truth is we are frustrated because he does not play and we do know he has great potential. We have seen it as recently as last week when he made an unbelievable move on the play that was called back.

That is all we KNOW. He has great potential and does not play enough.

As far as I know
We do not know that he does not care enough about the team.
We do not know that he does not prioritize football.
We do not know the extent and affect of his injury(s).
We do not know he has not picked up the offense.

Are you insiders that know these things or simply frustrated fans who are swinging at air?

At some time you move on from players that cannot stay on the field - I don't think we are anywhere near that point, but we don't know what is happening behind the scenes.

A question for those who want to get rid of him.
What would be the least you would take?
A future draft pick - what round?
Would you just release him if we can't make a trade?

I'd  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 9/25/2022 12:22 pm : link
put him on IR. If he's not right in four weeks, I'd cut him if it is financially feasible (not sure if it is).

If they can get a pick for him, great.

Listen  
Jay on the Island : 9/25/2022 12:23 pm : link
I would love to see Toney play up to his potential because he could be a star in this league if he wanted to. The problem is that there are legitimate concerns about his love for football. IMO each week confirms the reports that he loves rap and is using football as a means to become a rapper. To be honest I would prefer to see the Giants try to trade him ASAP in order to recoup some value while he might still have some.
RE: I'd  
Jay on the Island : 9/25/2022 12:26 pm : link
In comment 15829827 Eric from BBI said:
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put him on IR. If he's not right in four weeks, I'd cut him if it is financially feasible (not sure if it is).

If they can get a pick for him, great.

The Giants would be hit with an $8 million dollar cap hit if they release Toney so that's not an option. The better move would just be to put him on season ending IR.
The most important skill for any player  
Section331 : 9/25/2022 12:26 pm : link
is availability. Whatever the reason, Toney is failing that test. Sure, posters are pulling stuff out of our butts about why Toney misses so much time, but who cares? It’s an opinion board meant to foster debate. I doubt very much that Toney knows or cares about what anyone is saying on BBI.
too....  
thrunthrublue : 9/25/2022 12:27 pm : link
delicate for the rigors of the NFL, more suited for being on IR in a flag football league. Thanks, DG, that is why you, and your scouting team are gone.
Let us see if the imminent return of Wandale  
ChicagoMarty : 9/25/2022 12:30 pm : link
accelerates Toney's health improvement

I think it just might

We need to see one of those guys on the field

Both of them would be even better
Injuries suck  
Gmen703 : 9/25/2022 12:31 pm : link
Hakeem Nicks comes to mind. Yet this time around it's a bit more frustrating bc Toney hasn't produced anything meaningful.

He's gotta get healthy. Our WR group doesn't instill fear at all.
Somebody needs to tell him  
GiantSteps : 9/25/2022 12:34 pm : link
his music is pretty bad and not to quit his day job.
RE: Somebody needs to tell him  
Jay on the Island : 9/25/2022 12:38 pm : link
In comment 15829838 GiantSteps said:
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his music is pretty bad and not to quit his day job.

That's the frustrating part. I think most of us realize that in 5-10 years Toney will blow all of his NFL earnings trying to build his music career but when he fails and it is too late he will live with the regret of knowing that he blew his chance at a great NFL career and tens of millions of dollars.
RE: Let us see if the imminent return of Wandale  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 9/25/2022 12:39 pm : link
In comment 15829834 ChicagoMarty said:
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accelerates Toney's health improvement

I think it just might

We need to see one of those guys on the field

Both of them would be even better


Why would it? His hamstring was supposedly an issue when Wan'Dale was healthy.

The guy doesn't really want to play. It's pretty obvious. He pulled the same crap last year with a plethora of injuries.
RE: Injuries suck  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 9/25/2022 12:39 pm : link
In comment 15829837 Gmen703 said:
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Hakeem Nicks comes to mind. Yet this time around it's a bit more frustrating bc Toney hasn't produced anything meaningful.

He's gotta get healthy. Our WR group doesn't instill fear at all.


What if he is healthy now?
At  
AcidTest : 9/25/2022 12:41 pm : link
this point, I still assume that Toney cares greatly about football, and that injuries are what are preventing him from getting on the field. The problem is that he had a pretty significant injury history in college which has now continued in the NFL. His body may not be able to handle the rigors of playing football, at least not at this level.

I'm sure the Giants would have already put Toney on IR if they thought that was the best course of action. Trading him is not really an option this year because of the salary cap hit, and we wouldn't get much in return. It's better just to keep him.

I do agree that if he plays very little this year that he might be cut in the offseason. As a first round pick, even from a former regime, he will be given a lot of consideration. But that consideration isn't limitless. My own view is that Jones, Shepard, Slayton, and Golladay will be gone next year. I'm a little less sure now about Barkley and Sills given what they've done in the first two games. Toney might be gone as well, but like Golladay, he's here to stay this year. He's an electrifying player at a position where we are very thin. Let's allow this to play out the rest of the season before making a final decision.
The truth about Giants fans…  
DefenseWins : 9/25/2022 12:43 pm : link
We want to believe. We see one great play (or in this case a game) by a guy and think that is what he can be every week.

We have more evidence at this point to say that is what he “isn’t”.

What he is at this point is a guy who is taking up cap room and a roster spot.

If I am the giants, I would try to get enough flash on film to get other teams I retested in a trade, but without over using him to the point where he lands on IR
RE: I'd  
jvm52106 : 9/25/2022 12:45 pm : link
In comment 15829827 Eric from BBI said:
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put him on IR. If he's not right in four weeks, I'd cut him if it is financially feasible (not sure if it is).

If they can get a pick for him, great.


agreed
RE: RE: Somebody needs to tell him  
Mdgiantsfan : 9/25/2022 12:47 pm : link
In comment 15829841 Jay on the Island said:
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his music is pretty bad and not to quit his day job.


That's the frustrating part. I think most of us realize that in 5-10 years Toney will blow all of his NFL earnings trying to build his music career but when he fails and it is too late he will live with the regret of knowing that he blew his chance at a great NFL career and tens of millions of dollars.


It’s amazing that you can make this type of an assessment on someone you don’t even know.
Toney clearly likes playing football games (and any ascertation that  
Returning Video Tapes : 9/25/2022 12:47 pm : link
he doesn’t seems pretty ridiculous to me). It more seems like he wants the Allen Iverson treatment at worst (he could very well be injury prone as hell - still a small sample size from the constant nagging soft tissue injuries) when he’s a far cry from earning that.
I'm fine with Wan'Dale  
ChicagoMarty : 9/25/2022 12:49 pm : link
out there

We need another weapon on O

If Toney is too dumb to realize the opportunity he is wasting to market his brand in the biggest market in the U.S. by playing than it is time to move on
Toney is a bust  
uther99 : 9/25/2022 12:50 pm : link
probably cut next year. Maybe trade for 7th rounder
Remember when OBJ ...  
Manny in CA : 9/25/2022 12:50 pm : link

Took a long time to get his career started (I think it was a hammy too). There were plenty here, who were very frustrated with him also.

I agree with Eric, put him on IR for a while, then make an intelligent decision, then.

It's been very frustrating  
Lines of Scrimmage : 9/25/2022 12:58 pm : link
with him. Not sure how we could know for sure if his milking it or disinterested. I would think the coaching staff would have a better feel for this.

Hopefully he gets on the field and he plays to his potential. Unless something really bad happens internally I think he at least finishes the year.
MRI  
Hilary : 9/25/2022 12:59 pm : link
MRI reliably shows the extent of muscle injury in a hamstring tear. I would think the giants know if he avoids playing or has trouble staying healthy. Those problems may have the same effect on the team but one is the players fault and the other is not.
RE: Remember when OBJ ...  
Jim in Tampa : 9/25/2022 1:02 pm : link
In comment 15829856 Manny in CA said:
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Took a long time to get his career started (I think it was a hammy too). There were plenty here, who were very frustrated with him also.

I agree with Eric, put him on IR for a while, then make an intelligent decision, then.

OBJ missed his first 4 games of his ROOKIE year and then dominated from his first game.

Big difference.
RE: Listen  
Reale01 : 9/25/2022 1:04 pm : link
In comment 15829830 Jay on the Island said:
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I would love to see Toney play up to his potential because he could be a star in this league if he wanted to. The problem is that there are legitimate concerns about his love for football. IMO each week confirms the reports that he loves rap and is using football as a means to become a rapper. To be honest I would prefer to see the Giants try to trade him ASAP in order to recoup some value while he might still have some.


Jay, not trying battle here. This is what I mean. I have not seen any verified reports like those you mention. I think it is speculation and people use his injury history to back it up. Lets see what happens when (if lol)he is ready to take the field. ildrt
Seems to me that Toney wants to be treated like a vet  
Producer : 9/25/2022 1:11 pm : link
who has a HOF career and get allowances elite players get - fewer practice reps etc.

The problem is he hasn't done jack shit in the NFL yet.
RE: Seems to me that Toney wants to be treated like a vet  
section125 : 9/25/2022 1:14 pm : link
In comment 15829872 Producer said:
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who has a HOF career and get allowances elite players get - fewer practice reps etc.

The problem is he hasn't done jack shit in the NFL yet.


Yes, I am sure that is exactly what he is doing...
RE: RE: RE: Somebody needs to tell him  
Brick72 : 9/25/2022 1:27 pm : link
In comment 15829852 Mdgiantsfan said:
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In comment 15829838 GiantSteps said: Quote:
his music is pretty bad and not to quit his day job. That's the frustrating part. I think most of us realize that in 5-10 years Toney will blow all of his NFL earnings trying to build his music career but when he fails and it is too late he will live with the regret of knowing that he blew his chance at a great NFL career and tens of millions of dollars.


It’s amazing that you can make this type of an assessment on someone you don’t even know.


It's not amazing anymore. It tells you more about the person making the comment than it does about the person he is commenting on.
Phil Simms  
David B. : 9/25/2022 1:32 pm : link
was often injured, and largely thought a bust his first few seasons. Giants fans thought Simms wasn't tough! In retrospect, knowing what we know now, that's a MIND BOGGLING take. If Simms' first years were happening now to a QB picked 7th overall (for ANY team) in the internet era (hell, even in the cable TV era), he'd have been run out of town long before he became what he became.

Not saying Toney is Simms AT ALL. He may indeed be China Doll II. It looks that way at times.

But none of us really KNOW what's going on. He could be soft. Or he could be unlucky -- like Simms. Or he could be nursing a nagging hamstring. All we know is that ON THE FIELD, Toney can be a difference-maker. And if the Giants aren't looking to ditch him, there's probably a good reason, and we should probably have some patience. If he was a total fuck-up, the Giants wouldn't be bothering.
RE: RE: RE: Somebody needs to tell him  
Jay on the Island : 9/25/2022 2:02 pm : link
In comment 15829852 Mdgiantsfan said:
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It’s amazing that you can make this type of an assessment on someone you don’t even know.

It's not just speculation but a couple of posters who have proven to have inside information have said the same thing. If you want to pretend that this guy just happens to have a new injury every week then that is your right. If you can't read the signs then I don't know what to tell you. Why is the coaching staff playing David Sills and Richie James significantly more than Toney?
This is a lot of drama for a guy with one year of college production  
sb from NYT Forum : 9/25/2022 2:03 pm : link
RE: RE: RE: RE: Somebody needs to tell him  
Jay on the Island : 9/25/2022 2:04 pm : link
In comment 15829893 Brick72 said:
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It's not amazing anymore. It tells you more about the person making the comment than it does about the person he is commenting on.

How so? I would love to hear your tone deaf explanation as you just made a comment about someone you don't even know.
Sy's writeup pre-draft on Toney  
Jay on the Island : 9/25/2022 2:05 pm : link
14. Kadarius Toney / Florida / 6’0-193

Grade: 77

Summary: Senior entry from Mobile, Alabama. One-year starter that was a key part of the offense all four years. 1st Team All SEC in 2020. Toney saved his best for last as a senior. He broke out in a big way and finally translated potential into real production. He did more in 2020 than his three previous seasons combined, partially because of the amount of talent the Gators had ahead of him on depth chart before this past fall. Toney has joystick quickness and change of direction whether he is running routes or carrying the ball. He is the kind of guy that can miss contact in the phone booth and will always fight for more yards. Toney plays bigger and tougher than his frame suggests. It will be hard to find a more competitive spark plug than him. There are concerns around character and durability and he needs a specific role. The right offensive mind can make him a dangerous weapon though, one that can really elevate an offense as a whole.

*There are some teams that have Toney in the top 5 according to one of the very few media resources I trust and speak with. That really surprises me. I won’t give details here but there are a few serious red flags with character, and I just don’t see Toney having a high ceiling. He is as tough as they come, and I love his stop-go quickness. He will make plays with the ball in his hands. But there is a cap to his speed, he doesn’t play very big, and there are a lot of shortcomings I see when it comes to routes/ball skills/awareness etc. Really intrigued to see where he goes.
Here is an article from right after the draft about Toney  
Jay on the Island : 9/25/2022 2:09 pm : link
Finally, some scouts questioned Toney’s commitment to the game, fearing that he might be more interested in a rap career than a football career. The 22-year-old goes by the name “Yung Joka” on the microphone.
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RE: RE: Listen  
Gatorade Dunk : 9/25/2022 2:10 pm : link
In comment 15829869 Reale01 said:
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I would love to see Toney play up to his potential because he could be a star in this league if he wanted to. The problem is that there are legitimate concerns about his love for football. IMO each week confirms the reports that he loves rap and is using football as a means to become a rapper. To be honest I would prefer to see the Giants try to trade him ASAP in order to recoup some value while he might still have some.



Jay, not trying battle here. This is what I mean. I have not seen any verified reports like those you mention. I think it is speculation and people use his injury history to back it up. Lets see what happens when (if lol)he is ready to take the field. ildrt

You are never going to see "verified reports" that detail this sort of thing. If that's your personal burden of proof and you lack the willingness to read between lines, you have every right to that outlook. IMO, it seems naïve to not recognize what is obvious even without a "verified report" but that's your choice.

Just spare us the fucking sanctimony on a Giants message board.
It's funny because after last season  
Jay on the Island : 9/25/2022 2:14 pm : link
I was one of Toney's biggest supporters and I was excited to see how he does under Daboll/Kafka because they have the perfect system for Toney to breakout. Then after him skipping voluntary workouts early and the constant minor injuries that keep popping up I have just had enough.
More  
Jay on the Island : 9/25/2022 2:20 pm : link
According to Leonard, “There was some internal momentum for bailing on Toney during his tumultuous rookie season a year ago. His commitment came into question behind the scenes during his rookie year due to lack of playbook study, poor meeting behavior and frequent injuries.”


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Is the truth not obvious?  
GiantGrit : 9/25/2022 2:36 pm : link
There have been snippets posted on him. I heard after week 1 he knew about 15 plays if that. He doesn’t practice enough / understand the playbook.

He made business decisions at the end of last year as well, wasn’t exactly eager to come back.

If I had to put money on it he won’t be a Giant next year. Talent is irrelevant without the work ethic / mental aptitude to go along with it.



RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: Somebody needs to tell him  
Jay on the Island : 9/25/2022 2:37 pm : link
In comment 15829936 Jay on the Island said:
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It's not amazing anymore. It tells you more about the person making the comment than it does about the person he is commenting on.


How so? I would love to hear your tone deaf explanation as you just made a comment about someone you don't even know.

As expected no response.
Maybe  
RicFlair : 9/25/2022 2:39 pm : link
He has a hamstring injury.
Drafting needs to improve  
5BowlsSoon : 9/25/2022 2:39 pm : link
need to Improve on the interview process….maybe get a shrink involved.

Definitely look at injury history, if any.
Reale,  
Giant John : 9/25/2022 2:45 pm : link
This is not a court of law. It’s not about what we KNOW. It’s about we believe. Good players play on the field and produce. Good players practice to get better. If it smells like crap and it looks like crap that’s what it is. The guy shows up to collect a paycheck.
He’s selfish individual who doesn’t care about his teammates. I hope somebody on our team straightens his sorry ass out.
Ric  
Giant John : 9/25/2022 2:46 pm : link
Hasn’t he the hamstring since he was drafted? Bet he ran to sign the contract though.
There are just three possibilities here…  
DefenseWins : 9/25/2022 3:00 pm : link
To explain the situation and none of them are good.

1. He does not want to play and is faking Injuries
2 he simply cannot stay healthy
3. Our training staff sucks balls and cannot deal with a simple hamstring injury

Someone has to go because there is no excuse for missing this many games without a serious Injury like an ACL.
...  
broadbandz : 9/25/2022 3:06 pm : link
Toney will be out of football in 2 yrs. Everyone laughed when he showed without shoes that fit. Turns out that is the perfect metaphor for his short pro career. A dude unprepared to play football.
the time to move on from toney was in the offseason  
japanhead : 9/25/2022 3:33 pm : link
when he was skipping voluntaries and sending daboll rap songs over email, and there were rumors schoen was shopping him.

not sure why they kept him. because he showed up? no reasonable offers? no takers at all? cap related? directives from the mara family?

would rather have some hungry UDFA WR taking that roster spot than toney.

I agree. Put him on IR  
kelly : 9/25/2022 3:44 pm : link
He is taking up a roster spot, not contributing, and no timeline on when he will be able to contribute.

Smart- no
Tough-no
Dependable- hell no

Time to move on
RE: Ric  
RicFlair : 9/25/2022 3:49 pm : link
In comment 15829983 Giant John said:
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Hasn’t he the hamstring since he was drafted? Bet he ran to sign the contract though.



So he’s faking it and just fooling all the medical staff and coaches?
I think Eric is on point  
Dave on the UWS : 9/25/2022 4:29 pm : link
Put him on IR. If he does have a hamstring issue, he will need a month to heal it. If he STILL can’t get on the field I would trade him (trade deadline is Nov 1 I think) for whatever they can get, and move on. Right now, he’s just taking up a roster spot.
RE: RE: RE: Somebody needs to tell him  
LauderdaleMatty : 9/25/2022 5:09 pm : link
In comment 15829852 Mdgiantsfan said:
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his music is pretty bad and not to quit his day job.


That's the frustrating part. I think most of us realize that in 5-10 years Toney will blow all of his NFL earnings trying to build his music career but when he fails and it is too late he will live with the regret of knowing that he blew his chance at a great NFL career and tens of millions of dollars.



It’s amazing that you can make this type of an assessment on someone you don’t even know.


Statistically it’s very possible. For any NFL player. Fair? Maybe not but the guy obviously seems more interested in his non football aspirations. Wether he never takes another snap or becomes an all pro isn’t they big of deal. But people making that conclusion certainly have some ammunition.
RE: RE: RE: Listen  
Reale01 : 9/25/2022 9:02 pm : link
In comment 15829943 Gatorade Dunk said:
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I would love to see Toney play up to his potential because he could be a star in this league if he wanted to. The problem is that there are legitimate concerns about his love for football. IMO each week confirms the reports that he loves rap and is using football as a means to become a rapper. To be honest I would prefer to see the Giants try to trade him ASAP in order to recoup some value while he might still have some.



Jay, not trying battle here. This is what I mean. I have not seen any verified reports like those you mention. I think it is speculation and people use his injury history to back it up. Lets see what happens when (if lol)he is ready to take the field. ildrt


You are never going to see "verified reports" that detail this sort of thing. If that's your personal burden of proof and you lack the willingness to read between lines, you have every right to that outlook. IMO, it seems naïve to not recognize what is obvious even without a "verified report" but that's your choice.

Just spare us the fucking sanctimony on a Giants message board.


Mr Dunk,
I have read a bunch of things about Toney - good and bad. I know not everything comes out, and am not naïve. There are spaces between the lines Dunk. I don't read them. I am smart enough to speculate that there might be more behind to a story or quote in some cases. Either you don't really understand the word sanctimony or you have not read my posts. I am not judging anyone -fans or Toney. All I am saying is that it is really frustrating when he doesn't play, but we really do not KNOW a lot. I do not believe he is a lost cause. I am not sure how offended you and your tiny little ...
I think he’s got loads of potential  
AcesUp : 9/25/2022 9:07 pm : link
But I also think you’re a fool if you’re holding out for it. And I think you’re a little naive if you think it’s all bad luck.
My premature prediction at the position is that he’s traded for pennies on the dollar after the season and we sign OBJ.
RE: Reale,  
Reale01 : 9/25/2022 9:09 pm : link
In comment 15829981 Giant John said:
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This is not a court of law. It’s not about what we KNOW. It’s about we believe. Good players play on the field and produce. Good players practice to get better. If it smells like crap and it looks like crap that’s what it is. The guy shows up to collect a paycheck.
He’s selfish individual who doesn’t care about his teammates. I hope somebody on our team straightens his sorry ass out.


Fair enough view. Practice, Play, Produce and he is 0-3. That said, I am not sure he is a "selfish individual who does not care about his teammates". Time will tell.
RE: At  
Reale01 : 9/25/2022 9:11 pm : link
In comment 15829846 AcidTest said:
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this point, I still assume that Toney cares greatly about football, and that injuries are what are preventing him from getting on the field. The problem is that he had a pretty significant injury history in college which has now continued in the NFL. His body may not be able to handle the rigors of playing football, at least not at this level.

I'm sure the Giants would have already put Toney on IR if they thought that was the best course of action. Trading him is not really an option this year because of the salary cap hit, and we wouldn't get much in return. It's better just to keep him.

I do agree that if he plays very little this year that he might be cut in the offseason. As a first round pick, even from a former regime, he will be given a lot of consideration. But that consideration isn't limitless. My own view is that Jones, Shepard, Slayton, and Golladay will be gone next year. I'm a little less sure now about Barkley and Sills given what they've done in the first two games. Toney might be gone as well, but like Golladay, he's here to stay this year. He's an electrifying player at a position where we are very thin. Let's allow this to play out the rest of the season before making a final decision.


Well said.
RE: More  
Reale01 : 9/25/2022 9:13 pm : link
In comment 15829949 Jay on the Island said:
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According to Leonard, “There was some internal momentum for bailing on Toney during his tumultuous rookie season a year ago. His commitment came into question behind the scenes during his rookie year due to lack of playbook study, poor meeting behavior and frequent injuries.”
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Thanks Jay
Some of you guys  
JonC : 9/25/2022 9:21 pm : link
must like being a punching bag.
.  
arcarsenal : 9/25/2022 9:30 pm : link
I can't believe some of you guys are *still* doing this.

If you still don't see it now, you're never going to see it.
RE: Some of you guys  
Ned In Atlanta : 9/25/2022 9:38 pm : link
In comment 15830384 JonC said:
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must like being a punching bag.


The DG defenders will die on their swords. I appreciate the loyalty
Denial  
JonC : 9/25/2022 9:47 pm : link
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RE: .  
Scooter185 : 9/25/2022 9:48 pm : link
In comment 15830397 arcarsenal said:
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I can't believe some of you guys are *still* doing this.

If you still don't see it now, you're never going to see it.


When someone show you who they are, believe them
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arcarsenal : 9/25/2022 9:50 pm : link
In comment 15830416 Scooter185 said:
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I can't believe some of you guys are *still* doing this.

If you still don't see it now, you're never going to see it.



When someone show you who they are, believe them


Bingo. And Toney has been showing us since the start. He's not long for this team.
Aww the cleats, the cleats  
Blu4ever : 9/25/2022 10:10 pm : link
He missed his first practice because the cleats wern't right. That might have been an easily forgotten incident, but subsequent excuses make it a sham. And, when taken in context, audacious and rubbing mgmt's collective noses in it.
Always the possibility that that's wrong and we'll see a talented Toney contributing, but that gets increasingly unlikely.
Point about OBJ ....  
Manny in CA : 9/25/2022 10:45 pm : link

It worked out for him, eventually (before he self distracted). I see a lot of OBJ in Toney. I hope things work out for him and the team.
I don’t think  
AcesUp : 9/25/2022 11:48 pm : link
OBJ and Toney are anything alike. The through-line may be maturity but they couldn’t be any more different. OBJ cared too much, Toney doesn’t at all. OBJ had too much ego and Toney needs more ego. They’re so different that I think the perfect disposition may be a balance between the two.
Kadarius' Fight Song -  
TC : 9/25/2022 11:56 pm : link
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Phil Simms? Really?  
Greg from LI : 9/26/2022 12:11 am : link
Simms’ injuries were a separated shoulder (twice), torn knee ligaments (which robbed him of his speed, he was pretty mobile early in his career), and a broken thumb. Toney has a new minor injury every single week, it seems. There is no comparison.
RE: Point about OBJ ....  
arcarsenal : 9/26/2022 9:46 am : link
In comment 15830487 Manny in CA said:
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It worked out for him, eventually (before he self distracted). I see a lot of OBJ in Toney. I hope things work out for him and the team.


I don't see Odell in Toney at all. Odell was almost passionate about football to a fault. At some points, he cared *too* much and acted like a dope because of it... the Carolina game, the kicking net, etc.

Odell made gigantic impacts in games early and often in his career. All we're talking about with Toney is what he "could be" because we almost never see it on a football field in games that matter.
RE: RE: Point about OBJ ....  
crooza172 : 9/26/2022 10:01 am : link
In comment 15830742 arcarsenal said:
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In comment 15830487 Manny in CA said:


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It worked out for him, eventually (before he self distracted). I see a lot of OBJ in Toney. I hope things work out for him and the team.



I don't see Odell in Toney at all. Odell was almost passionate about football to a fault. At some points, he cared *too* much and acted like a dope because of it... the Carolina game, the kicking net, etc.

Odell made gigantic impacts in games early and often in his career. All we're talking about with Toney is what he "could be" because we almost never see it on a football field in games that matter.


Toney is NOTHING like Odell. Odell cared and actually produced. Toney has done neither of those two things. Monumental bust he probably will be cut after this season.
Toney needs a change of venue  
VinegarPeppers : 9/26/2022 11:36 am : link
This guy needs to go to a team that isn’t devastated by injuries virtually every season so they can afford to have him only play 35 to 40% of the season, every season.

Maybe if he grew his eyebrows back it would help. I mean, WTF!
Yung Joka has 50 songs listed on Tidal Music service  
MartyNJ1969 : 9/26/2022 12:21 pm : link
He has been real busy recording music. I actually like some of the tracks. "Sum 2 Prove" has a nice beat to it.
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