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but his accuracy in college was a big concern. It is extremely rare for inaccurate QB's to improve significantly once they turn pro. Josh Allen had a 56.2 completion % in college which is bad but in the NFL he has improved that number to 62.7. His first two season were below average but the last 3 seasons he raised it to 69.2, 63.3, and he currently sits at 75.4 so far this year.

that has improved his accuracy that much from college to the pros. So it's hard to project that type of improvement, but I'm sure a bunch of teams will consider it more just because of Allen.

Coaching can clean up a lot.

Plus, when youre a physical freak of nature, that helps

Arm strength often improves somewhat, but accuracy rarely does. It's a skill that can't be taught.

I saw him at Wyoming and he seemed to know where to go but it would be off target. Part of it was talent he was playing with as well. I suspect Buff also liked his decision making process.

I mentioned before but his journey was not a common one. Was not recruited by any D1 college. Played three sports in high school so never did the camps most of the upper tier H.S. QB's get involved in. Junior college and then Wyoming. So I think you had a lot of things good coaching could help. This to me is different with someone who was in a top program and top high school recruit where I would have more concerns.

If he was drafted by NY, would he have this much success? I loved his talent coming out, but it was hard to ignore the accuracy issues though I would've liked the selection. But getting drafted to the right team comes into play IMO.

What fans could look at differently. We’re all of bunch of fat borderline alcoholics who spend our sundays sitting on a couch and jerking off while pretending to have any semblance of important on the outcome of a game.

Instead of asking dumb questions maybe it should have been
“What did the Giants learn about scouting qbs after josh Allen”

I saw about 3 to 4 games of Allen and saw many passes on target that were not hauled in by his receivers.

I never put the stock in that low completion percentage number that many did. He was never as inaccurate as the % seemed to indicate. I saw him make NFL throw to the sideline from the far hash on the money only for the ball to not be hauled in.

His receivers at Wyoming were really, really bad.

That's what you missed.

I remember having a big argument about this very point back then pre-draft on this site.

In comment 15829920 widmerseyebrow said:

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that has improved his accuracy that much from college to the pros. So it's hard to project that type of improvement, but I'm sure a bunch of teams will consider it more just because of Allen.

That’s why I was a skeptic about Allen. He’s either a 1-of-a-kind outlier or new coaching techniques are being implemented that allow players to get more accurate throwing it.

Good thing we have two of the ultimate experts on that question leading our team.

In comment 15830006 outeiroj said:

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What fans could look at differently. We’re all of bunch of fat borderline alcoholics who spend our sundays sitting on a couch and jerking off while pretending to have any semblance of important on the outcome of a game. Instead of asking dumb questions maybe it should have been “What did the Giants learn about scouting qbs after josh Allen”

Wow, someone is grouchy. Just for the record, I am not drinking right now but I am jerking off.

And he would likely have still been on the board if the bills were picking after #20

There is nothing to be leaked from the Josh Allen draft because his improvement and results are not typical.

If the giants selected him with their fist pick, the remotes would have been thrown through TVs in NY. Couple that with the horrible coaches we had and we would be calling the guy a bust today.

The bottom line is you are asking teams to reach on QBs who have arm talent. Good luck with that …

In comment 15830020 DefenseWins said:

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And he would likely have still been on the board if the bills were picking after #20 There is nothing to be leaked from the Josh Allen draft because his improvement and results are not typical. If the giants selected him with their fist pick, the remotes would have been thrown through TVs in NY. Couple that with the horrible coaches we had and we would be calling the guy a bust today. The bottom line is you are asking teams to reach on QBs who have arm talent. Good luck with that …

Half of the teams did not pass on Josh Allen. Buffalo traded up to 7 to select him and the Browns had two picks in the top 5.

I wouldn't look back. At the time, I did not like any of the QBs enough to take them at #2. If we traded back, I was an advocate for doing so to take Jackson.

I don't think either Jackson or Allen would been nearly as successful with the Giants given our shitty OL, front office, and coaching.

His low completion percentage was a result of inferior receivers. But once one draft guru drew the conclusion that he had accuracy issues they all jumped on. Beane was smart enough to judge for himself.

Maybe it was not as simple as accuracy problems.

In comment 15830077 Matt M. said:

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I wouldn't look back. At the time, I did not like any of the QBs enough to take them at #2. If we traded back, I was an advocate for doing so to take Jackson. I don't think either Jackson or Allen would been nearly as successful with the Giants given our shitty OL, front office, and coaching.

I think they would look a lot different than our current starter, more flashes, more signs of being able to carry a team

Their team is in so much better shape and certainly has been since he was drafted it’s not worth talking about. That said the “his college WRs were terrible” is the same thing that was said about and true about Daniel Jones. Difference is they’ve continued to be terrible in the NFL as well.

Allen definitely deserves credit for what he is, but he also had a team that helped refine his game and build properly around him.

Allen on the Giants probably would have been good, but not nearly this good.

Similarly, put Hebert in Judge's offense and he would have been high average at best.

It's a reason why I don't buy "McAdoo wanted Mahomes" as though that was some redeeming argument. Mahomes in McAdoo's system would be a waste of potential.

In comment 15829951 Ira said:

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Arm strength often improves somewhat, but accuracy rarely does. It's a skill that can't be taught.

Of course it can. It's not easy, but cleaning up his mechanics pumped up his accuracy. The problem is that when facing pressure, guys tend to resort to their old bad habits.

and his WRs weren't very good. I saw a few of his college games and while Allen oozed arm talent and athleticism for a horse his size, it was perhaps a bit more difficult to judge and make a projection for the jump to the NFL. Wyoming isn't generating the scouting traffic of the bigger schools either.

I don't think the scouting was way off, he was talked about as the #1 overall pick but dropped a bit due to some concerns.

Those concerns weren't unfounded either, Allen struggled early in his career and only really blossomed after some time in the league.

Of course he'd now go #1 in that draft, and maybe even a draft with every NFL player today. But it wasn't a given even once he'd been in the league.