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Eric from BBI : Admin : 9/26/2022 6:58 am
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Huge game for the franchise  
jvm52106 : 9/26/2022 7:24 am : link
And hopefully for true signs our rebuilding is finally heading down the right path.

Think of it this way, we win and we are one of three without a loss. Every win for this organization is a bigger win for the culture of the organization than any other change we have tried over the last 5 years.

I think we see Toney go to IR, a WR brought off PS and we stop watching week to week for the next 4 weeks...
Need to see Jones play well here  
Ned In Atlanta : 9/26/2022 7:34 am : link
no more excuses. Move the ball into the redzone and score points.
I agree that Jones  
Clintqb17 : 9/26/2022 7:45 am : link
needs to have a really good game. But let’s not put it all on him. Line needs to play well and the receivers need to get separation and make big plays.
After watching games yesterday  
jvm52106 : 9/26/2022 8:01 am : link
I see a lOT of very average to below average QB play.

Cousins was pretty average until the very end.

Goff is Goff.

Mariotta made some really nice plays and then some major bonehead plays.

Geno Smith is very average.

Jimmy G was pathetic against the Broncos

Winston is not good.

What we need is for Jones and the team to keep developing, keep turnovers down and find ways to extend drives.

The Giants were a couple of penalties and dropped passes from putting Carolina away in the 1st quarter last week. Time to see those things cleared up and see drives extended and points scored.
Can't keep settling for FGs.....must get TDs.  
George from PA : 9/26/2022 8:10 am : link
Azeez and Thibs should shine...against current status of Dallas OL.

Giants OL must step up.....no excuses.

Protecting Jones and letting Barkley shine
...  
GP : 9/26/2022 8:12 am : link
I'm tempted to blow off of work around noon and drive down for the game, which is a nice temptation to have as a fan, even if it's only week 3.
I think the defense will play well  
averagejoe : 9/26/2022 8:15 am : link
and the offense will struggle as usual. No more excuses. We need to score TD's in the red zone. Don't wanna lose another 17-9 snoozer. DJ has to be better than Cooper Rush. Is that too much to ask ?
For the people  
mittenedman : 9/26/2022 8:16 am : link
saying Jones MUST score s bunch of points vs. DAL - pump the brakes. DAL has an outstanding defense - they arent going to give up a lot of points.

We need Jones to play a winning brand. Expect another nail-biter, at best.
Forget Parsons, Thibs and Olari need to wreck Dallas offense  
MartyNJ1969 : 9/26/2022 8:20 am : link
Jones needs to light it up tonight. I am more worried about facing Diggs than Parsons
So far Giants pass blocking has been  
M.S. : 9/26/2022 8:22 am : link

pretty horrid. Can they do any better tonight? If not, they better have a strong run game, or else.
RE: I agree that Jones  
M.S. : 9/26/2022 8:22 am : link
In comment 15830615 Clintqb17 said:
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needs to have a really good game. But let’s not put it all on him. Line needs to play well and the receivers need to get separation and make big plays.

Exactly.
RE: Forget Parsons, Thibs and Olari need to wreck Dallas offense  
M.S. : 9/26/2022 8:23 am : link
In comment 15830640 MartyNJ1969 said:
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Jones needs to light it up tonight. I am more worried about facing Diggs than Parsons

How do you light it up with no pocket?
RE: After watching games yesterday  
M.S. : 9/26/2022 8:31 am : link
In comment 15830619 jvm52106 said:
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I see a lOT of very average to below average QB play.

Cousins was pretty average until the very end.

Goff is Goff.

Mariotta made some really nice plays and then some major bonehead plays.

Geno Smith is very average.

Jimmy G was pathetic against the Broncos

Winston is not good.

What we need is for Jones and the team to keep developing, keep turnovers down and find ways to extend drives.

The Giants were a couple of penalties and dropped passes from putting Carolina away in the 1st quarter last week. Time to see those things cleared up and see drives extended and points scored.

Jalen Hurts (3-0)

Passing
66 for 98 (67.3% Completion)
305 Passing Yards per Game
4 TDs / 1 INT

Rushing:
37 Carries for 167 Yards
4.5 Yards per Attempt
10 First Downs / 3 TDs

No one in the NFC is QBing better than Jalen Hurts. And no team in the NFL is better than the Eagles.
RE: So far Giants pass blocking has been  
averagejoe : 9/26/2022 8:33 am : link
In comment 15830644 M.S. said:
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pretty horrid. Can they do any better tonight? If not, they better have a strong run game, or else.


Lets not forget our QB sacks himself a lot. Holds the ball . Makes everybody look bad. OL and WR . OL would look much better if ball came out on time .
Daboll doesn’t like to give his tackles help  
Dave on the UWS : 9/26/2022 8:38 am : link
But he might want to consider it with Parsons against Neal. You chip Parsons with Bellinger and a lot of Dallas’ pass rush is hampered.
RE: RE: So far Giants pass blocking has been  
M.S. : 9/26/2022 8:42 am : link
In comment 15830652 averagejoe said:
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pretty horrid. Can they do any better tonight? If not, they better have a strong run game, or else.



Lets not forget our QB sacks himself a lot. Holds the ball . Makes everybody look bad. OL and WR . OL would look much better if ball came out on time .

I hear ya, save for one thing. This offensive line isn't exactly giving Daniel Jones the opportunity to hold the ball for too long. I've seen very few clean pockets through the first 2 games.
RE: Daboll doesn’t like to give his tackles help  
M.S. : 9/26/2022 8:44 am : link
In comment 15830659 Dave on the UWS said:
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But he might want to consider it with Parsons against Neal. You chip Parsons with Bellinger and a lot of Dallas’ pass rush is hampered.

I think that's the way to go, but one problem. Our Center is getting pushed back into our QB's face. And the Guards haven't fared much better.
RE: RE: After watching games yesterday  
jvm52106 : 9/26/2022 8:53 am : link
In comment 15830651 M.S. said:
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In comment 15830619 jvm52106 said:


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I see a lOT of very average to below average QB play.

Cousins was pretty average until the very end.

Goff is Goff.

Mariotta made some really nice plays and then some major bonehead plays.

Geno Smith is very average.

Jimmy G was pathetic against the Broncos

Winston is not good.

What we need is for Jones and the team to keep developing, keep turnovers down and find ways to extend drives.

The Giants were a couple of penalties and dropped passes from putting Carolina away in the 1st quarter last week. Time to see those things cleared up and see drives extended and points scored.


Jalen Hurts (3-0)

Passing
66 for 98 (67.3% Completion)
305 Passing Yards per Game
4 TDs / 1 INT

Rushing:
37 Carries for 167 Yards
4.5 Yards per Attempt
10 First Downs / 3 TDs

No one in the NFC is QBing better than Jalen Hurts. And no team in the NFL is better than the Eagles.


Yeah, I would still say both the Bills and Dolphins are better than Philly. Philly has done well but they beat Detroit who gives up points top everybody, Minnesota who seems all kinds of out of sorts and Washington who should be 0-3 right now.
Washington didn't look all that good  
gidiefor : Mod : 9/26/2022 8:55 am : link
against the Eagles -- the Eagles defense ripped them to shreds
RE: RE: After watching games yesterday  
NJLCO : 9/26/2022 8:56 am : link
In comment 15830651 M.S. said:
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In comment 15830619 jvm52106 said:


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I see a lOT of very average to below average QB play.

Cousins was pretty average until the very end.

Goff is Goff.

Mariotta made some really nice plays and then some major bonehead plays.

Geno Smith is very average.

Jimmy G was pathetic against the Broncos

Winston is not good.

What we need is for Jones and the team to keep developing, keep turnovers down and find ways to extend drives.

The Giants were a couple of penalties and dropped passes from putting Carolina away in the 1st quarter last week. Time to see those things cleared up and see drives extended and points scored.


Jalen Hurts (3-0)

Passing
66 for 98 (67.3% Completion)
305 Passing Yards per Game
4 TDs / 1 INT

Rushing:
37 Carries for 167 Yards
4.5 Yards per Attempt
10 First Downs / 3 TDs

No one in the NFC is QBing better than Jalen Hurts. And no team in the NFL is better than the Eagles.


Speaking of pumping the brakes….game three.
Unless your buying  
AnnapolisMike : 9/26/2022 9:02 am : link
into the Giants are a playoff team mentality. This game means little in the big scheme of things. Dallas is a good team defensively with potentially a great pass rush. Giants can win this game...but I do not expect a thing of beauty.
Interesting game even without Dak  
Sammo85 : 9/26/2022 9:08 am : link
Some concern with how many Giants are banged up especially on D line. Can see Cowboys trying to do a lot of screens and off tackle runs.

Think Giants can win if line holds up a bit better. Wonder if we see something more from Golladay after the drama earlier in week?

Interesting to see what Wink has in store and what Dan Quinn may do on other side to try and get some turnovers.
I would say that  
Alamo : 9/26/2022 9:08 am : link
In practice this week,there was alot of brain thrusts
looking for any or all ways to slow down Parsons..
The Kowboys have other pass rushers that are good,but no one else comes close to a LT type player..We need to score 24 pts to win this game..Whether it's 3 TD's
and 1 FG or 8 FG'S..When you think about it,8 FG's means you have had the ball the most,and the Kowboys
haven't had the ball a whole lot..A win is a win,no matter how ugly or pretty...
RE: Unless your buying  
gidiefor : Mod : 9/26/2022 9:18 am : link
In comment 15830687 AnnapolisMike said:
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into the Giants are a playoff team mentality. This game means little in the big scheme of things. Dallas is a good team defensively with potentially a great pass rush. Giants can win this game...but I do not expect a thing of beauty.


I think the Giants offense is not going to look good against good defensive teams - I don't see how they could given the dearth of offensive weapons and the current state of the oline.

I see the Giants as a work in progress.

It's been wonderful having them win. I do think they can win tonite, but I am not under any illusions about them. I certainly think our coaching staff has been terrific in getting the best out of them, particularly on defense.
What if Neal went to left guard, Bredeson to center and Hamilton  
kelly : 9/26/2022 9:23 am : link
To right tackle?

Does that make us better? And would that be a better run blocking line, especially the left side.

Beat Parsons by running right at him.
RE: RE: RE: After watching games yesterday  
AG5686 : 9/26/2022 9:26 am : link
In comment 15830681 NJLCO said:
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In comment 15830619 jvm52106 said:


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I see a lOT of very average to below average QB play.

Cousins was pretty average until the very end.

Goff is Goff.

Mariotta made some really nice plays and then some major bonehead plays.

Geno Smith is very average.

Jimmy G was pathetic against the Broncos

Winston is not good.

What we need is for Jones and the team to keep developing, keep turnovers down and find ways to extend drives.

The Giants were a couple of penalties and dropped passes from putting Carolina away in the 1st quarter last week. Time to see those things cleared up and see drives extended and points scored.


Jalen Hurts (3-0)

Passing
66 for 98 (67.3% Completion)
305 Passing Yards per Game
4 TDs / 1 INT

Rushing:
37 Carries for 167 Yards
4.5 Yards per Attempt
10 First Downs / 3 TDs

No one in the NFC is QBing better than Jalen Hurts. And no team in the NFL is better than the Eagles.



Speaking of pumping the brakes….game three.

not only is it game 3,but the eagles played 3 shitty teams so far...and Hurts has far superior weapons to throw to...
Giants  
Ron Johnson : 9/26/2022 9:26 am : link
Put the great Leonard Marshall into the ring of honor tonight! Stay in your seats at halftime
Vegas now has Philly favored to win the NFC  
Metnut : 9/26/2022 9:33 am : link
They also have assloads of extra first round and day 2 draft picks coming up. Philly is going to be a major problem for the next 5+ years.
RE: RE: After watching games yesterday  
PatersonPlank : 9/26/2022 9:41 am : link
In comment 15830651 M.S. said:
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In comment 15830619 jvm52106 said:


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I see a lOT of very average to below average QB play.

Cousins was pretty average until the very end.

Goff is Goff.

Mariotta made some really nice plays and then some major bonehead plays.

Geno Smith is very average.

Jimmy G was pathetic against the Broncos

Winston is not good.

What we need is for Jones and the team to keep developing, keep turnovers down and find ways to extend drives.

The Giants were a couple of penalties and dropped passes from putting Carolina away in the 1st quarter last week. Time to see those things cleared up and see drives extended and points scored.


Jalen Hurts (3-0)

Passing
66 for 98 (67.3% Completion)
305 Passing Yards per Game
4 TDs / 1 INT

Rushing:
37 Carries for 167 Yards
4.5 Yards per Attempt
10 First Downs / 3 TDs

No one in the NFC is QBing better than Jalen Hurts. And no team in the NFL is better than the Eagles.


It all works together. Hurts also has the best OL
RE: RE: After watching games yesterday  
Returning Video Tapes : 9/26/2022 9:42 am : link
In comment 15830651 M.S. said:
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In comment 15830619 jvm52106 said:


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I see a lOT of very average to below average QB play.

Cousins was pretty average until the very end.

Goff is Goff.

Mariotta made some really nice plays and then some major bonehead plays.

Geno Smith is very average.

Jimmy G was pathetic against the Broncos

Winston is not good.

What we need is for Jones and the team to keep developing, keep turnovers down and find ways to extend drives.

The Giants were a couple of penalties and dropped passes from putting Carolina away in the 1st quarter last week. Time to see those things cleared up and see drives extended and points scored.


Jalen Hurts (3-0)

Passing
66 for 98 (67.3% Completion)
305 Passing Yards per Game
4 TDs / 1 INT

Rushing:
37 Carries for 167 Yards
4.5 Yards per Attempt
10 First Downs / 3 TDs

No one in the NFC is QBing better than Jalen Hurts. And no team in the NFL is better than the Eagles.


I hate this argument. Hurts has arguably the best OL in football, two number 1 WR talents, a top 5 TE, and an excellent stable of backs. Just because a dude is putting up stats in that environment doesn’t mean he’s QBing better than anyone in the NFC. Heard the same arguments with Dak. What happens when they played elite defenses of the NFL or needed to win shootouts? Fell short practically everytime or Dak would look terrible. The Eagles are that good so there’s only gonna be really a handful of regular season games to judge and the playoffs. Let’s see him be best the QBer then. You seriously think he’s QBing better than Rodgers right now? For real? Rodgers puts up 45 against that awful WFT defense with the Eagles O.
Defense keeps it close enough for the  
mikeinbloomfield : 9/26/2022 9:42 am : link
offense to pull it out in the end. This seems to be the gameplan for this team, which I am fine with. Crowd will be on fire tonight, Cowboy fans or no Cowboy fans. Worth it feeling like garbage at work tomorrow.
RE: Unless your buying  
jvm52106 : 9/26/2022 9:45 am : link
In comment 15830687 AnnapolisMike said:
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into the Giants are a playoff team mentality. This game means little in the big scheme of things. Dallas is a good team defensively with potentially a great pass rush. Giants can win this game...but I do not expect a thing of beauty.



That is categorically false. In the grand scheme of things it means a lot. Culture change has to come with winning games too. Yes, we have a ways to go but, when you have a game, a bigger game and you are at home facing a backup QB, you need to make a statement that says the days of falling short and losing when winning was more than possible are now over.
Jerry Jones is on CNBC right now  
PatersonPlank : 9/26/2022 9:50 am : link
I swear he looks like he is dead and laying in a morgue. His face has been stretched so many times it looks like paper
Daniel Jones needs to keep doing what he has been  
PatersonPlank : 9/26/2022 9:58 am : link
Yes I'd like to see more passing yards per game, but some of that is situational and some of that is because of a Barkley centric gameplan. He has 70%+ in completions, he's only got 1 Int, he has a good passer rating, and he has made some big plays when he has had too. The game plan is be smart, make good decisions, limit turnovers, and control the ball/TOP
How about "you're" instead of your?  
Alan W : 9/26/2022 10:00 am : link
and stop meekly accepting dictation!
RE: Vegas now has Philly favored to win the NFC  
Returning Video Tapes : 9/26/2022 10:00 am : link
In comment 15830718 Metnut said:
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They also have assloads of extra first round and day 2 draft picks coming up. Philly is going to be a major problem for the next 5+ years.


The team is stacked and Roseman is doing exactly what he did with their first super bowl win as he hit lotto with Hurts who was really just originally supposed to be insurance for Wentz injury proneness. It’s why he made the trade for the corner and signed Bradberry. I wouldn’t be at all surprised if he flips an early pick or two for a proven player in the off-season IF they like what they see when he’s playing the teams on their talent level. Right now scouting Hurts is like scouting the QBs at OSU or Bama. You only gonna get a few times to really scout what they can do on a neutral field.
I get it's ultimately about the record  
Will Shine : 9/26/2022 10:02 am : link
but for me, it's more about how we play than the score. I'm not sure what an 'ugly win' would tell us, whereas a loss where we played well, Jones looked good etc might tell us more.

We've got next season to worry about the record.
tale of two jones......  
thrunthrublue : 9/26/2022 10:03 am : link
hoping the one on the field has great success, but the one in the upper sky box needs to look sad and pissed off, with one of his subjects cleaning his glasses.....
Eagles look really good.  
Lines of Scrimmage : 9/26/2022 10:24 am : link
Jimmy Johnson has been saying it for a couple weeks now. They are very talented and deep on the lines. Amazing that four very good contributors go all the way back (Kelce, Johnson, Cox, Graham)....all before Roseman. SB team? Let's see how they handle injuries and Hurts (whose been outstanding) handle things when they face teams better equipped to match them physically.
This is the game that may allow the Giants to crawl out of the muck….  
Crispino : 9/26/2022 10:35 am : link
of disappointing football they’ve been wallowing in for years. Monday night has traditionally been a house of horrors for the Giants. A win tonight could exorcise some demons on the national stage. I’m not saying a win tonight would deliver us from mediocrity the rest of this season, but it would be a good jumping off point toward regaining respectability.
Jason Peters activated for tonight's game and Parsons  
Rick in Dallas : 9/26/2022 10:41 am : link
says he will play tonight.
Golladay  
Costy16 : 9/26/2022 10:42 am : link
Is going to have to figure into the offense with how thin they are at WR. Maybe he pulls his head out of his backside and contributes. They are going to need it.
RE: RE: Unless your buying  
AnnapolisMike : 9/26/2022 10:42 am : link
In comment 15830736 jvm52106 said:
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In comment 15830687 AnnapolisMike said:


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into the Giants are a playoff team mentality. This game means little in the big scheme of things. Dallas is a good team defensively with potentially a great pass rush. Giants can win this game...but I do not expect a thing of beauty.




That is categorically false. In the grand scheme of things it means a lot. Culture change has to come with winning games too. Yes, we have a ways to go but, when you have a game, a bigger game and you are at home facing a backup QB, you need to make a statement that says the days of falling short and losing when winning was more than possible are now over.


How would the loss of THIS game mean anything to a rebuilding team in the 'grand scheme of things'? Are we negating the first two wins? Firing the head coach? Will any players future be determined by what happens this evening (outside of injury) Is anyone really under the illusion that this team goes 6-0 in the division this year? Are DJ's critics going declare him the Giants Savior if he plays great and they win?

It's an important game in that it is a divisional game against Dallas. We will feel a little better after a win than we usually do...and it will hurt a little more if they lose.
If Hurts happens to get hurt  
Alamo : 9/26/2022 10:44 am : link
Who's going to play QB on that team who's anywhere
near the running ability of Hurts? That's what makes him dangerous..If he gets hurt,and with all that running around he does,the Eagles will get their wings clipped..By the way,if they keep winning alot more games,they will be drafting way down the bottom of the 1st round..They still will be getting vg players but not as good as the top 10/12 players in the draft..
RE: I get it's ultimately about the record  
Dr. D : 9/26/2022 10:48 am : link
In comment 15830771 Will Shine said:
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but for me, it's more about how we play than the score. I'm not sure what an 'ugly win' would tell us, whereas a loss where we played well, Jones looked good etc might tell us more.

We've got next season to worry about the record.

Screw that crap! I'm not getting any younger. Win tonight, go 3-0. Worry about the record this year. Pretty sure Daboll and Wink are.

No one thinks we're winning SB this year, but why not shoot for a playoff spot.
It's not about Jones, it's about Barkley  
Aaroninma : 9/26/2022 10:51 am : link
Get Barkley going and the game opens up for Jones.
RE: Jerry Jones is on CNBC right now  
Scooter185 : 9/26/2022 10:52 am : link
In comment 15830746 PatersonPlank said:
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I swear he looks like he is dead and laying in a morgue. His face has been stretched so many times it looks like paper


Jerry Jones literally being a vampire wouldn't surprise me
RE: It's not about Jones, it's about Barkley  
GiantGrit : 9/26/2022 10:54 am : link
In comment 15830897 Aaroninma said:
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Get Barkley going and the game opens up for Jones.


Correct but this is known by the opponents too. Carolina’s linebackers were playing about 2 yards off the LOS, if that.

You almost have to run some PA early on to try and loosen that up.
RE: Vegas now has Philly favored to win the NFC  
Chris684 : 9/26/2022 10:57 am : link
In comment 15830718 Metnut said:
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They also have assloads of extra first round and day 2 draft picks coming up. Philly is going to be a major problem for the next 5+ years.


I've heard that more than a few times and yet team in the NFC East has won back to back division titles in how long?

Can we see Jalen Hurts do this for more than 3 games in September before we put the Eagles in the Super Bowl?
RE: Daniel Jones needs to keep doing what he has been  
Ivan15 : 9/26/2022 11:01 am : link
In comment 15830756 PatersonPlank said:
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Yes I'd like to see more passing yards per game, but some of that is situational and some of that is because of a Barkley centric gameplan. He has 70%+ in completions, he's only got 1 Int, he has a good passer rating, and he has made some big plays when he has had too. The game plan is be smart, make good decisions, limit turnovers, and control the ball/TOP


Jones can manage the game as long as he gets some time. I think the defense can win this game if the offense can put up 23. I don’t expect a lot from Thibs, more from Ojalari.
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