But nobody should discredit how amazing that year was for Bonds. What he did, juiced or not, was flat out insane. Look at the intentional walks he got. What he did with minimal ABs thay year will most likely never be replicated.
but hitting 73 is absurd no matter what you are on. And considering his walk rate that year, even more impressive. Was one of the most dominant seasons you will ever see in sports.
Bonds is an all time great even if he never used steroids. The dinosaur baseball writer keeping Bonds out is a disgrace imo. I’m sure there are tons of players already in the HOF nowhere near the talent of Bonds.
Also, I don’t remember Giancarlo Stanton’s 59 HR year in 2017 getting any national attention.
It got to the point where it seemed like every pitch close
was going into the water. Teams were walking him with the bases loaded. He was such a savage that year. An unlikeable guy and generally a jerk but the most dominant season I've ever seen - steroids or not.
Bonds made his own bed by cheating and then lying about knowing
but the record is 73. Barry Bonds is the most feared hitter I've ever seen. During his peak, the man was never fooled by a pitch. Every mistake was hit out of the park and everything was hit hard. I do sort of feel like Judge is that version in todays game though. The game is so different from how it was.
So he can play at peak level night after night. I don't see how steroids changes how you see the ball. It can help you hit the ball harder or further, but it doesn't help you see every pitch and never miss. Bonds was on another level. I have never seen anyone as dangerous as him at the plate.
Hate or love him, you can’t deny the man’s greatest. He was a first ballot Hall of Famer, who became the most feared hitter of all time when he started taking roids.
Hate or love him, you can’t deny the man’s greatest. He was a first ballot Hall of Famer, who became the most feared hitter of all time when he started taking roids.
Yoiu are free to feel however you want but I hope you aim that at every steroid user and the commissioner that let them as well.
I loathe steroid use but i'm not going single out players, it was a really dirty era of baseball and Bonds decided to play the same rules as everyone else getting away with it. I don't blame him.
which is also the Yankees single season HR record. He is also trying to win the triple crown. That's plenty to get excited about for me. The MLB single season HR record is 73. There were just as many pitchers using steroids as hitters.
Barry Bonds put up numbers that are unfathomable to me. He was the ultimate experiment. What would happen if you took an elite MLB HOF talent and put him on an olympic PED program monitored and administrated by someone who knew exactly what he was he doing. Bonds won 3 MVP awards and finished 2nd in the year he didn't win from ages 25-28. He was a lock HOFer by 30 years old. He didn't start using PED's until he was past his prime and 35 years old.
David Ortiz is in the HOF and Barry Bonds is not. What a joke.
You owe a great human being an apology for your baseless accusation that he used steroids while playing professional baseball. How dare you accuse one of the foremost ambassadors of our great game of cheating without any proof to back up your claim simply because he had a better season than your idol. It fans like you who are ruining the game of baseball with your outrageous behavior. You really should look in the mirror and evaluate what you look like right now for your own sake
Greatest player I ever saw. Will be in that conversation when I tell my kids the same way my dad did about Mays/Aaron/Mantle.
As a die hard Mets fan, it makes my stomach turn when guys simultaneously trash Bonds and root for Piazza (my favorite player all time), when it's so completely obvious that Piazza was a user too
And just so we're all completely clear:
There is no proof that Maris was clean.
>99% chance Judge is clean, but if you truly believe 100% of guys playing today are completely clean, and that there is no possible chance that your favorite player is using something to get an edge...well I have 100+ years of baseball history to show you that you're naive
Judge out of the equation for a second, my beef with the HOF is it's a damn near FACT that other steroid users are in the HOF. What's the line here? Bonds belongs in the HOF.
Judge out of the equation for a second, my beef with the HOF is it's a damn near FACT that other steroid users are in the HOF. What's the line here? Bonds belongs in the HOF.
in 45 years of watching baseball I have never seen anything like his seasons from 2000 to 2004. He was literally getting one pitch to hit per game and absolutely raking it.
Take nothing away from Judge, McGwire, Sosa, etc but Bonds was just on another level - understanding the juice helped get him there. Oh and there have been studies suggesting that roids can help with hand-eye coordination as well.
in 45 years of watching baseball I have never seen anything like his seasons from 2000 to 2004. He was literally getting one pitch to hit per game and absolutely raking it.
Take nothing away from Judge, McGwire, Sosa, etc but Bonds was just on another level - understanding the juice helped get him there. Oh and there have been studies suggesting that roids can help with hand-eye coordination as well.
He basically made it must see TV even when he wasn't in the vicinity of a record. I remember being in HS still and staying up late to watch SF games just to see what he'd do. Don't remember their ever being a draw in baseball close to him
You owe a great human being an apology for your baseless accusation that he used steroids while playing professional baseball. How dare you accuse one of the foremost ambassadors of our great game of cheating without any proof to back up your claim simply because he had a better season than your idol. It fans like you who are ruining the game of baseball with your outrageous behavior. You really should look in the mirror and evaluate what you look like right now for your own sake
Judge out of the equation for a second, my beef with the HOF is it's a damn near FACT that other steroid users are in the HOF. What's the line here? Bonds belongs in the HOF.
Yep, and let's not forget users of other PEDs, such as Aaron and Mantle
and I hate cheaters, but if MLB doesn't think 73 is the record they should strike it from the books. They haven't. He was an all-time great before steroids, and he played against pitchers and fielders that were juiced to the gills too. 73 is the record.
If everyone is using 'roids, it's a level playing field.
I could argue Ruth's numbers (because really it's all about protecting Babe Ruth) were influenced by playing in a segregated sport where he didn't have to cross the Mississippi River except when the Yankees played the Cards in the World Series.
on PEDs? How many current Hall of Famers used PEDs?
Unless someone can demonstrate the answer is zero (which they obviously can’t), then passing judgement on Bonds alone is just stupid
The record is 73. Bonds, McGwire, Sosa, ARod and Clemens not being in the HOF makes the HOF a joke. Baseball knew exactly what they were doing, ignored it while they counted the cash rolling in, then hung a couple sacrificial lambs out to dry. It’s all hypocrisy
legitimizes the cheating for a lot of people. It's something the player would not have done without the cheating, but because the fan witnessed it, it counts. I don't get it.
That's why there is so much attention on Judge right now
Sigh......
73 is the MLB home run record. Period. End of statement. Full stop.
There is a ton of attention on Judge right now because he's about to pass the AL HR record AND threatening to win the AL Triple Crown at the same time. It's a truly remarkable feat, and something that's never been done.
who sullied the sport for his own personal interest.
I have zero sympathy for him not getting into Cooperstown and have no issue with those who find his 73 HRs/season to be tainted and worthy of an asterisk.
So he can play at peak level night after night. I don't see how steroids changes how you see the ball. It can help you hit the ball harder or further, but it doesn't help you see every pitch and never miss. Bonds was on another level. I have never seen anyone as dangerous as him at the plate.
Most people think steroids just build muscle, like Popeye eating spinach, but one of the main uses of PEDs is recovering faster than you would otherwise. Faster recovery lets you lift more and more often which builds muscle, which let's you lift more, which builds more muscle, etc. Throw in some drugs that help build muscle too and now you smash puny baseball.
he was a GREAT player in the 90s, HOF worthy without question, BEFORE he started juicing. Same deal with Clemons
To me, that's all the more reason I think he's awful. He didn't need to cheat to be great, but he did it anyway.
Bonds saw the attention and adulation that McGwire and Sosa got during the 1998 Home Run record chase. He knew what they were up to, and he also knew he was a better player than either one of them. So, he turned himself into the Michelin man and the greatest hitter any of will ever see very likely.
People have a right to their own opinions but Bonds didn’t even steroids. He chased a record that was already broken by a steroid player. Also, you have to factor in that bonds was far from the only player at the time on steroids and that includes pitchers. Not condoning his actions but there are several steroid era players in the hall of fame that may not have been caught or people just ignore the steroids (see Ortiz, David).
And 73 is the record. That was an era where so many were doing it and there was no testing, so it's impossible to differentiate. As others have pointed out every era has it's "performance enhancers" you think when Mickey and the Babe were out all night partying and then showing up blasting homers in day games the shots they were getting from " Dr Feel good" we're not helping them recover and perform? Those years Bonds had were some of the best hitting performances in the history of the game. I'm 54 but the old timers need to get off their sanctimonious mountain.
Barry Bonds was the best ballplayer of my lifetime
Hands down. He was the best ballplayer before he ever touched PEDs. Lots of players took them, and yet no one did anything remotely like what he did. There's a reason for that.
Also, I don’t remember Giancarlo Stanton’s 59 HR year in 2017 getting any national attention.
Judge IS chasing Maris, the true single season HR king
Judge IS chasing Maris, the true single season HR king
The smashing 73 home runs bed? Yes, he certainly did.
I even can vaguely remember his papa scoring from 1st on a single when I was younger and Bobby was a Yankee
Greatness
Yoiu are free to feel however you want but I hope you aim that at every steroid user and the commissioner that let them as well.
I loathe steroid use but i'm not going single out players, it was a really dirty era of baseball and Bonds decided to play the same rules as everyone else getting away with it. I don't blame him.
Barry Bonds put up numbers that are unfathomable to me. He was the ultimate experiment. What would happen if you took an elite MLB HOF talent and put him on an olympic PED program monitored and administrated by someone who knew exactly what he was he doing. Bonds won 3 MVP awards and finished 2nd in the year he didn't win from ages 25-28. He was a lock HOFer by 30 years old. He didn't start using PED's until he was past his prime and 35 years old.
David Ortiz is in the HOF and Barry Bonds is not. What a joke.
It's not subjective, no matter how much you want it to be.
Greatest player I ever saw. Will be in that conversation when I tell my kids the same way my dad did about Mays/Aaron/Mantle.
As a die hard Mets fan, it makes my stomach turn when guys simultaneously trash Bonds and root for Piazza (my favorite player all time), when it's so completely obvious that Piazza was a user too
And just so we're all completely clear:
There is no proof that Maris was clean.
>99% chance Judge is clean, but if you truly believe 100% of guys playing today are completely clean, and that there is no possible chance that your favorite player is using something to get an edge...well I have 100+ years of baseball history to show you that you're naive
Truth
Take nothing away from Judge, McGwire, Sosa, etc but Bonds was just on another level - understanding the juice helped get him there. Oh and there have been studies suggesting that roids can help with hand-eye coordination as well.
Take nothing away from Judge, McGwire, Sosa, etc but Bonds was just on another level - understanding the juice helped get him there. Oh and there have been studies suggesting that roids can help with hand-eye coordination as well.
He basically made it must see TV even when he wasn't in the vicinity of a record. I remember being in HS still and staying up late to watch SF games just to see what he'd do. Don't remember their ever being a draw in baseball close to him
I resemble that remark
The reason there is so much hoopla around Judge is that Maris is the single season HR king
Yep, and let's not forget users of other PEDs, such as Aaron and Mantle
I could argue Ruth's numbers (because really it's all about protecting Babe Ruth) were influenced by playing in a segregated sport where he didn't have to cross the Mississippi River except when the Yankees played the Cards in the World Series.
Unless someone can demonstrate the answer is zero (which they obviously can’t), then passing judgement on Bonds alone is just stupid
The record is 73. Bonds, McGwire, Sosa, ARod and Clemens not being in the HOF makes the HOF a joke. Baseball knew exactly what they were doing, ignored it while they counted the cash rolling in, then hung a couple sacrificial lambs out to dry. It’s all hypocrisy
Also lied about it, as was also mad he was called out on it, which is typical with liars.
Also lied about it, as was also mad he was called out on it, which is typical with liars.
Bonds isn't a liar - why can't you mean people just leave him alone
Should the Yanks give back their titles considering all the steroid users they had on those teams?
Sigh......
73 is the MLB home run record. Period. End of statement. Full stop.
There is a ton of attention on Judge right now because he's about to pass the AL HR record AND threatening to win the AL Triple Crown at the same time. It's a truly remarkable feat, and something that's never been done.
THAT is why he's garnering all of this attention.
Should the Yanks give back their titles considering all the steroid users they had on those teams?
The sad thing is, snablats is a Mets fan. He's still a dumb ass, though...
I have zero sympathy for him not getting into Cooperstown and have no issue with those who find his 73 HRs/season to be tainted and worthy of an asterisk.
To me, that's all the more reason I think he's awful. He didn't need to cheat to be great, but he did it anyway.
The reason there is so much hoopla around Judge is that Maris is the single season HR king
Correct. The American League single season HR king.
How do you feel about Mickey Mantle?
Most people think steroids just build muscle, like Popeye eating spinach, but one of the main uses of PEDs is recovering faster than you would otherwise. Faster recovery lets you lift more and more often which builds muscle, which let's you lift more, which builds more muscle, etc. Throw in some drugs that help build muscle too and now you smash puny baseball.
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he was a GREAT player in the 90s, HOF worthy without question, BEFORE he started juicing. Same deal with Clemons
To me, that's all the more reason I think he's awful. He didn't need to cheat to be great, but he did it anyway.
Bonds saw the attention and adulation that McGwire and Sosa got during the 1998 Home Run record chase. He knew what they were up to, and he also knew he was a better player than either one of them. So, he turned himself into the Michelin man and the greatest hitter any of will ever see very likely.
Keeping him out of the Hall is stupid.