Rapoport: Giants could look to trade WR Kenny Golladay...

In comment 15830928 AcidTest said:

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don't think anybody will trade for Slayton or Golladay. Why would they given that they have done nothing?

And Bingo was his name-o.

for their 2024 7th, maybe?
But if he’s just upset but not a PITA in the locker room like they say, might be better to keep him and forget about trying to find a buyer every day.

and think this offense would actually be good, not just ok but good, even with DJ at the helm. We have nothing at the WR position. The milk's gone bad.


No one is trading for Galladay even if he was making the vet min. Forget about it.

I thought this would be impossible because I assumed that an acceleration of dead money would be the same for a trade as a cut. Thank you Christian for the clarification. Doubt we can find a trade partner. But if we can, there seems no downside, even if we get a 7th rounder. That assumes that his contribution to the team would be the same the rest of the year as so far and that we would cut him next year. Every dollar some other team pays him is money in the bank for this year or next.

Would a team trade for him? Not impossible. A team has to believe that a change of scenery can get him to his 2019 performance level, in which case they get a cheap receiver for the next 2.5 years. I don't believe that. Maybe somebody does.

yet so many people get it wrong.

If the assumption is that he's going to get cut in the off season, and he's a negative (or at best neutral), trading him is smart, even if we have to pay 100% of his remaining salary for this year. At least we'd get something in return. Back tracking from that, if he's off the team, there's the salary of his replacement to consider. So,in order to remain cap neutral for this year, we'd have to pay his remain salary minus the replacement WR cost for this year.

If next year's roster bonus is guaranteed, that is sunk cost, too, so we could pay that, as well, and not incur any additional cap hit.

I'm not advocating paying everything (unless he's really a locker room issue). Just saying a trade is easily doable.

But, as others have said, his issue is his ability to contribute. If he had any ability, he'd be used. So, who would want to trade for him, even if he's free?

"Love the one you With" because there are no other suitors for him.

I’m always amazed when the so-called experts says something like this when the fact is nobody in the league wants that contract especially not for such an under performing guy who has developed a reputation for not wanting to play when he has a little tweak of something.

In comment 15830859 DanMetroMan said:

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he looks PHYSICALLY diminished vs. simply not being a great fit for the roster/scheme so other teams are less likely to consider him even on the extreme cheap.

DMM, you and JonC make the same or similar point. It seems clear that he is not performing at a high level--his camp (where Aaron Robinson shone when playing him man coverage) and game action such as it's been do look horrid.

Is it likely, is such a steep drop in the quality of his play, a true reflection of his physical (dis)ability? For there to be any legit possibility of a trade, some GM out there has to be able to conclude that the level of drop off in his play must be attributable in some significant part to his lack of desire and investment in playing well--which I suspect must be at issue, at least in part--and that said GM can make a difference in KG's sizing up his landscape as a professional football player.

that's my take. We really don't know what the issue is and while he may have some physical decline its more likely he just doesn't fit here. It wouldn't surprise me at all if he plays better on a new team.

However shitty he is and he is shitty, he is worth more than a seventh given we have no good WRs and our schedule this year is awful. So, making the playoffs is a possibility. Just don’t see the value in a late round pick if we pick up his salary

I don't know for certain but a few things 1) he doesn't look the same physically with NYG as he did with the Lions. 2) He was never a big separation receiver, and I don't think they're using him optimally, so 3) it appears he has little chemistry and Jones, the way they're using him doesn't appear to suit him or the passing game. 4) there's been press leaks in the past from the Lions indicating they felt he wouldn't play when dinged but able to contribute, he checked out on the team mentally and disappeared for long stretches, etc. 5) Seems clear NYG is willing to move him, so the answer(s) are probably among this list, I'd wager. Just not a fit, likely declining, and beyond expensive for a rebuild project.

In comment 15830993 UConn4523 said:

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that's my take. We really don't know what the issue is and while he may have some physical decline its more likely he just doesn't fit here. It wouldn't surprise me at all if he plays better on a new team.

The issue is KG has to walk into practice every day knowing his teammates are putting out 100% making 70% $$ less than what he is making and it bothers him he can't contribute and yet still has to take their glances and stares at practice each morning with them.

Whatever portion of this year’s salary the other team pays. This year’s dead money is already on this years cap and next year’s will not count until next year and be offset by the salary we aren’t paying him. Next year would be the same as a pre June 1 release which is like a $7m savings.

Papercut, hang nail, etc. Then sign any warm body at wide receiver.

In comment 15830999 JonC said:

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I don't know for certain but a few things 1) he doesn't look the same physically with NYG as he did with the Lions. 2) He was never a big separation receiver, and I don't think they're using him optimally, so 3) it appears he has little chemistry and Jones, the way they're using him doesn't appear to suit him or the passing game. 4) there's been press leaks in the past from the Lions indicating they felt he wouldn't play when dinged but able to contribute, he checked out on the team mentally and disappeared for long stretches, etc. 5) Seems clear NYG is willing to move him, so the answer(s) are probably among this list, I'd wager. Just not a fit, likely declining, and beyond expensive for a rebuild project.

I also warned about this when the hot interest in KG was made known. It was purely a job saving move for DG, he negotiated against himself, and the potential downside was ugly. I heard at the time KG's UFA value was thought to be $10M per, but there were concerns about him. KG and camp just sat there and waited for their number and DG delivered. Boom. Anywho, KG looks set to join the Solder File ...

In comment 15830910 Kmed6000 said:

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In comment 15830856 Eric on Li said: Quote: In comment 15830843 Kmed6000 said: Quote: and a team trading for him isn't paying him 13/14M per year for the next 2 years so they'd have to extend him too which is more risky. I don't see it as possible. this is not correct. the trading team would be able to cut him free and clear in the future. dead money is only accrued for cash paid to a player and not yet counted on the cap. as christian said, a trading team could add golladay for very little salary remaining this year with the nyg eating some of the remaining salary they are already on the hook to trade him for. any dollar saved is actually a dollar less is "dead money" if you consider every remaining dollar owed to KG as dead money. wherever that savings hits doesn't matter because if by circumstances they need that $ this year then it saves them from an alternative move that would kick money to next year or if not it can roll over to next year. So you're saying someone is going to trade for him only to cut him in the offseason? I understand there won't be a dead cap hit to the new team, but most likely they would convert next years salary to a bonus and extend him for it to make sense.

any team trading for him likely views him as a rental lotto ticket against 4.5m dead money on their cap next year. his salary next year for them would effectively be 1 year 13.5m with 4.5m guaranteed with a 4.5m roster bonus due on the 3rd day of the league year that any team is unlikely to pay out even if he plays reasonably well.

he'd have to fully revert back to his detroit level performance to get himself into any kind of extension discussion.

any team looking for a WR right now is likely first kicking tires on the cole beasley/objs of the world who won't cost $ against next year. those guys will probably have choices and choose to go to better situations (as beasley did).

we need to hope there's a desperate team out there who needs a WR bad enough they are willing to roll the dice on golladay. like i said above i'd expect to need to throw in a conditional pick for them to do it (probably a 6th or 7th to the team trading for him if they cut him as expected and eat the 4.5m in dead money next year). maybe the nyg can get a fringe back roster player they like in return or swap a contract the other team is looking to move.

with KG until after the season. The likelyhood then will be a cut because everyone knows we aren't keeping him.

The only way someone trades us anything for him is he steps up his game big time, renegotiates to a more team friendly contract or Dave Gettleman gets hired as a GM for another team.

remember when 2 teams "inquired about trading for slayton" around cut down day? Obviously that was the nyg trying to drum up interest for him since he hasn't even played in their WR rotation and were willing to cut him if he didn't take a paycut.

i think we are going to see 5-10 targets to kenny tonight and he's been told punching his ticket elsewhere is in his hands. if plays well the team will facilitate a deal if that's what he wants.

The reason a team would trade for Golladay, is that it's a low risk/medium reward gamble as Eric in Li has articulated well on this thread.

A team who is trading for him would only be on the hook for:

- However much salary the Giants don't eat in 2022
- 4.5M cap hit in 2023 by way of his roster bonus

The Giants could even eat nearly all his 2022 salary, and it would still be a net positive. If they cut him this offseason they eat the 4.5M roster bonus next year.

A team like the Bucs could have him for virtually free in 2022, and the only cost would be 4.5M next year.

a walking dead man, cause Kenny don't run fast no more

In comment 15831022 Eric on Li said:

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remember when 2 teams "inquired about trading for slayton" around cut down day?

The most likely answer is that this is mere speculation from Rapoport and not connected to any leak from the Giants. In fact, mere speculation from the xxx or so & so is probably the answer 80 to 90 percent of the time in sports journalism

In comment 15831053 christian said:

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The reason a team would trade for Golladay, is that it's a low risk/medium reward gamble as Eric in Li has articulated well on this thread. A team who is trading for him would only be on the hook for: - However much salary the Giants don't eat in 2022 - 4.5M cap hit in 2023 by way of his roster bonus The Giants could even eat nearly all his 2022 salary, and it would still be a net positive. If they cut him this offseason they eat the 4.5M roster bonus next year. A team like the Bucs could have him for virtually free in 2022, and the only cost would be 4.5M next year.

the bucs and cards seem like 2 teams who may be desperate enough and dealing with a bunch of wr injuries. a team like houston may figure 'why not' if they can get a draft pick out of it. maybe the raiders or pats. or bears.

have to hope someone from his lions days is at one of those teams and willing to push for it. a nice pop game on national tv tonight like his saints game last year would be a big help.

In comment 15831058 Semipro Lineman said:

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In comment 15831022 Eric on Li said: Quote: remember when 2 teams "inquired about trading for slayton" around cut down day? The most likely answer is that this is mere speculation from Rapoport and not connected to any leak from the Giants. In fact, mere speculation from the xxx or so & so is probably the answer 80 to 90 percent of the time in sports journalism

if it were one of the local hacks yes, i dont think rapaport is in the business of mischaracterizing speculation since he gets access to more real info than anyone. i suppose there's a reason this report went to a national writer with a wide following.

But if anyone wants to give up a draft pick for him, that would be fantastic. They aren't going to get anything if they cut him after this season, may as well try to get something - anything - now.

In comment 15831064 Eric on Li said:

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In comment 15831058 Semipro Lineman said: Quote: In comment 15831022 Eric on Li said: Quote: remember when 2 teams "inquired about trading for slayton" around cut down day? The most likely answer is that this is mere speculation from Rapoport and not connected to any leak from the Giants. In fact, mere speculation from the xxx or so & so is probably the answer 80 to 90 percent of the time in sports journalism if it were one of the local hacks yes, i dont think rapaport is in the business of mischaracterizing speculation since he gets access to more real info than anyone. i suppose there's a reason this report went to a national writer with a wide following.

Yes, Golladay's agent is why.

In comment 15831070 RCPhoenix said:

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But if anyone wants to give up a draft pick for him, that would be fantastic. They aren't going to get anything if they cut him after this season, may as well try to get something - anything - now.

Not only that. They’re going to owe him an additional 4.5M if they cut him vs. trading him now.

The Giants could trade him for a ghost draft pick, and eat basically all his salary this year, and still come out ahead.

was one of Schoen's mistakes in the offseason. The time to move him was right after June 1st. And the camp reports verified almost all of the suspicions about KG that were discussed during last season and the off-season.

I don't care what the issue is - injury or attitude. KG is just a poor fit. It was an attempt to get Jones a WR 1 without realizing it was a sqaure peg-into-a-round-hole situation. KG was just a better fit in Detroit with a fearless, ultra-talented QB throwing to him.

KG and his camp will be about as cooperative about that as Bradberry and his were

If a team took a flyer on Golladay. Yes, he appears physically diminished, but some WR hungry team may attribute some or much of his play to the state of the team over the past two years (Judge/Jones). He played well in Detroit with Stafford throwing him the ball. We've witnessed this with the Giants back in the good ol days. Players like Manningham and Boss come to mind, who looked terrific when they were catching passes from Eli, not so much once they left.

Wouldn't at all surprise me if Aaron Rodgers thought he could get Golladay back to his Detroit days.

Another 10M on top of the 21M we're already paying him.
Worst contract ever.
And we laughed at Snyder and the Albert Haynesworth fiasco.

In comment 15831092 bw in dc said:

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was one of Schoen's mistakes in the offseason. The time to move him was right after June 1st. And the camp reports verified almost all of the suspicions about KG that were discussed during last season and the off-season. I don't care what the issue is - injury or attitude. KG is just a poor fit. It was an attempt to get Jones a WR 1 without realizing it was a sqaure peg-into-a-round-hole situation. KG was just a better fit in Detroit with a fearless, ultra-talented QB throwing to him.

Was Schoen supposed to hold a gun to someone’s head to trade for Golladay? How do you know he didn’t shop him? In fact, I’d be willing to bet he absolutely did shop him

Out of the goodness of their heart. Trading a player who had a disaster season one year into a 70m multi year deal would have cost the Giants in cap resources and picks/players.

In comment 15831092 bw in dc said:

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was one of Schoen's mistakes in the offseason. The time to move him was right after June 1st. And the camp reports verified almost all of the suspicions about KG that were discussed during last season and the off-season. I don't care what the issue is - injury or attitude. KG is just a poor fit. It was an attempt to get Jones a WR 1 without realizing it was a sqaure peg-into-a-round-hole situation. KG was just a better fit in Detroit with a fearless, ultra-talented QB throwing to him.

Wouldn't you expect more from an ultra-talented QB than a career 74-90-1 record with Detroit? You mean with all that ulrta-talent he couldn't get Detroit over the top?

In comment 15831133 MOOPS said:

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In comment 15831092 bw in dc said: Quote: was one of Schoen's mistakes in the offseason. The time to move him was right after June 1st. And the camp reports verified almost all of the suspicions about KG that were discussed during last season and the off-season. I don't care what the issue is - injury or attitude. KG is just a poor fit. It was an attempt to get Jones a WR 1 without realizing it was a sqaure peg-into-a-round-hole situation. KG was just a better fit in Detroit with a fearless, ultra-talented QB throwing to him. Wouldn't you expect more from an ultra-talented QB than a career 74-90-1 record with Detroit? You mean with all that ulrta-talent he couldn't get Detroit over the top?

Speaking of the Lions, they're looking like a better team this year. And they've got an ace in the hole with Jameson Williams.

In comment 15831092 bw in dc said:

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was one of Schoen's mistakes in the offseason. The time to move him was right after June 1st. And the camp reports verified almost all of the suspicions about KG that were discussed during last season and the off-season. I don't care what the issue is - injury or attitude. KG is just a poor fit. It was an attempt to get Jones a WR 1 without realizing it was a sqaure peg-into-a-round-hole situation. KG was just a better fit in Detroit with a fearless, ultra-talented QB throwing to him.

Absolutely nothing Schoen could have done. The contract prevented releasing him ($4m cap hit) or trading him (because no one wants him at any price) just like now.

In comment 15830901 Tom from LI said:

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IR him and get him away from the team. Next year cut him.

This. Change the locks too.

In comment 15831133 MOOPS said:

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In comment 15831092 bw in dc said: Quote: was one of Schoen's mistakes in the offseason. The time to move him was right after June 1st. And the camp reports verified almost all of the suspicions about KG that were discussed during last season and the off-season. I don't care what the issue is - injury or attitude. KG is just a poor fit. It was an attempt to get Jones a WR 1 without realizing it was a sqaure peg-into-a-round-hole situation. KG was just a better fit in Detroit with a fearless, ultra-talented QB throwing to him. Wouldn't you expect more from an ultra-talented QB than a career 74-90-1 record with Detroit? You mean with all that ulrta-talent he couldn't get Detroit over the top?

All the talent in the world isn't going to overcome coaching and organizational dysfunction. How many years have the Lions been what the Giants have been for the last 5?

In comment 15831022 Eric on Li said:

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remember when 2 teams "inquired about trading for slayton" around cut down day? Obviously that was the nyg trying to drum up interest for him since he hasn't even played in their WR rotation and were willing to cut him if he didn't take a paycut. i think we are going to see 5-10 targets to kenny tonight and he's been told punching his ticket elsewhere is in his hands. if plays well the team will facilitate a deal if that's what he wants.

Cool story

In comment 15831192 Ten Ton Hammer said:

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In comment 15831133 MOOPS said: Quote: In comment 15831092 bw in dc said: Quote: was one of Schoen's mistakes in the offseason. The time to move him was right after June 1st. And the camp reports verified almost all of the suspicions about KG that were discussed during last season and the off-season. I don't care what the issue is - injury or attitude. KG is just a poor fit. It was an attempt to get Jones a WR 1 without realizing it was a sqaure peg-into-a-round-hole situation. KG was just a better fit in Detroit with a fearless, ultra-talented QB throwing to him. Wouldn't you expect more from an ultra-talented QB than a career 74-90-1 record with Detroit? You mean with all that ulrta-talent he couldn't get Detroit over the top? All the talent in the world isn't going to overcome coaching and organizational dysfunction. How many years have the Lions been what the Giants have been for the last 5?

Exactly. That post was meant for those advocating mortgaging the future for a Russell Wilson type acquisition when the roster cupboards are bare.

In comment 15831092 bw in dc said:

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was one of Schoen's mistakes in the offseason. The time to move him was right after June 1st. And the camp reports verified almost all of the suspicions about KG that were discussed during last season and the off-season. I don't care what the issue is - injury or attitude. KG is just a poor fit. It was an attempt to get Jones a WR 1 without realizing it was a sqaure peg-into-a-round-hole situation. KG was just a better fit in Detroit with a fearless, ultra-talented QB throwing to him.

Daboll playing him two snaps is an indictment on Galloday and his inability or his undisclosed injury. Jones and Kenny did good balling last year despite KG despising the offensive scheme. Catch rate and yards were on par with his career averages.

I do agree it's a mistake Schoen made assuming it would all be fine and Kenny would buy in right away. Toney is another. Two disappointing characters who should be key players but for onereason or another, neither one is contributing.

In comment 15830759 Giantsfan79 said:

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This is the exact response we should all have. Just like Bradberry its not going to happen. If it gets ugly they have to cut him and then a team can pick him up. This isn't even news.

is marginal you lose to injury. Alex Smith prob would have been a helluva QB if his shoulder injury didn’t derail his career and make him super limited.

KG looks like Laquon Treadwell or late stage Dez out there. He’s literally unusable in any offense outside the redzone. He’s literally screwing up the timing of plays.

Gettleman takes KG, (someone else's broken player), gives him the mortgage to the farm, and expects a miracle.

I don't get it, that old man was an experienced hand.

Old age doesn't necessarily mean you lose your edge (look at 90 year old Gil Brandt), he's still as sharp as a tack; Dave just lost it, quick.

Toney. They need to just send that moron Dave Gettleman a goodbye “thank you” and never come back again ever…just like Gettleman.

He’s long. Past the disgruntled stage. He wants out. He was a poor fit for this qb’s skill set and shouldn’t have been signed and he shouldn’t have taken the money. He can watch film like anyone else and should have know what he was getting in to.

If I'm Schoen, I'd trade KG for a 4 pack of Kane Head High. He's useless. And he's disgruntled. The most likely next offseason thread: 'Golladay released'.

In comment 15831435 HomerJones45 said:

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He’s long. Past the disgruntled stage. He wants out. He was a poor fit for this qb’s skill set and shouldn’t have been signed and he shouldn’t have taken the money. He can watch film like anyone else and should have know what he was getting in to.

If a blithering idiot offered you $72M, $40M of which was guaranteed, would you turn it down?

In comment 15831435 HomerJones45 said:

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He’s long. Past the disgruntled stage. He wants out. He was a poor fit for this qb’s skill set and shouldn’t have been signed and he shouldn’t have taken the money. He can watch film like anyone else and should have know what he was getting in to.

What'll really blow your mind is this: Jones really wanted him and is part of the reason they went after him.

if this marriage ends in a divorce...

Would be the ones parting with a draft pick to move him and I’m not joking. Even eating his contract to get it to a net zero would leave him overpaid for the acquiring team. He’s likely a vet min guy now after the injuries and teams can see that on the tape.