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The situation surrounding Giants receiver Kenny Golladay could come to a head soon. |
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| The Giants could trade Golladay to an interested party, and likely the only way it would work is if New York pays the bulk of his contract in exchange for a late-round pick. That is a possibility. |
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| As of now, the situation is tenable. If Golladay becomes disgruntled or his relationship with New York becomes more of a problem, the Giants may take action. A release would be a last resort. A trade, however, is possible. Simply, the Giants would eat much of the salary, allowing another team to trade for an effectively low-cost Golladay. |
HOWEVER- if he shows up tonight and plays with some heart, makes some plays and shows up in blocking and his route running then who knows, maybe you just ride this year out.
KT is another story altogether.
We'd be eating a big part of his salary, so his cost is an unknown right now to another team. Plenty of teams need WR help right now and I can see contenders buying a big RZ target on the cheap. Its the type of move good teams make.
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For the same reason why New England wanted Moss or Tampa with Brown. I'm certainly not comparing the players, but if a team with a better situation feels that Golladay can still play then what he's done here is kinda irrelevant.
help? how is Golladay going to help them? He hasn't been able to make an impact on a team that desperately needs WR help already
And while you’re at it package Toney in the deal.
That said, not expecting it to be an option unless he starts to behave poorly.
The Giants would likely need to eat some of his 2022 salary, but from a cap perspective this is very plausible.
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would be interested? Arizona needs help badly as well. There are others as well.
help? how is Golladay going to help them? He hasn't been able to make an impact on a team that desperately needs WR help already
I guess he should retire then?
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we have the room of whatever his undead cap hit is this year -- but I do think it is a moot point -- until proof is provided otherwise -- another team would have zero reasons to take him on -- he is a very weak WR
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He can't be released. As far as a trade goes, how can the Giants eat most of his salary? We don't have the room. None of this makes any sense.
we have the room of whatever his undead cap hit is this year -- but I do think it is a moot point -- until proof is provided otherwise -- another team would have zero reasons to take him on -- he is a very weak WR
It costs over $4 mil to cut him. To trade him, hiw are we paying most of his salary? How does that work over a multi year period?
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He can't be released. As far as a trade goes, how can the Giants eat most of his salary? We don't have the room. None of this makes any sense.
we have the room of whatever his undead cap hit is this year -- but I do think it is a moot point -- until proof is provided otherwise -- another team would have zero reasons to take him on -- he is a very weak WR
It costs over $4 mil to cut him. To trade him, hiw are we paying most of his salary? How does that work over a multi year period?
actually after looking at KMED's chart -- it does look like his dead cap money is greater than his cap hit -- so he is un-trade-able
Rivera was pissed that ESPN choose to "release the story" right before their game.
They are doing the same thing here with this "story".
"Rivera is right here. We also addressed the issue of timing. The original story came out last week, but Adam Schefter pushed the story Sunday morning, which he often does as the eyes of the sports world are on the NFL."
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On 2022 Golladay has a maximum cap hit of ~$21M. This includes:
- 13M fully guaranteed salary
- 3.4M prorated of his original signing bonus
- 4.5 roster bonus
His roster and signing bonuses are already paid, so has 2/17ths of his salary.
If he's traded, the Giants could pay say 50% of his salary as a restructure bonus.
They would save 6.5M against the 2022 cap.
On 2023, the remainder of his signing bonus would accelerate, at a dead money hit of 10.2M, and the Giants would save a net 3M against the 2023 cap.
My assumption is it is this year's salary, this a sunk cost for us already.
would also be great to replace him with OBJ.
Green Bay would be my guess, for what it's worth.
On 2022 Golladay has a maximum cap hit of ~$21M. This includes:
- 13M fully guaranteed salary
- 3.4M prorated of his original signing bonus
- 4.5 roster bonus
His roster and signing bonuses are already paid, so has 2/17ths of his salary.
If he's traded, the Giants could pay say 50% of his salary as a restructure bonus.
They would save 6.5M against the 2022 cap.
On 2023, the remainder of his signing bonus would accelerate, at a dead money hit of 10.2M, and the Giants would save a net 3M against the 2023 cap.
Thanks for the analysis but I still don't see how it would work from a cap perspective. His salary is 13M. 2/17 (about $1.5M) has already been paid, leaving about $11.5M. Half of that latter number is $5.75M, which still exceeds the $5.1M in cap space the Giants have.
The other problem of course has nothing to do with the cap, namely that he can't even get on the field for a team that has nothing at WR. So why would anyone want him even if the cap doesn't prevent him from being traded?
There's no way in hell anyone is giving up a 4th. With his contract and our situation with him, I don't think a trade is a viable option. A 7th at best imo if a team is interested.
Golladay's roster and signing bonus have been paid. Those are the sunk costs, plus two games of salary checks have been paid (probably 3 actually).
Those are the total sunk costs for 2022.
He is still owed game checks for 14 games checks. The Giants can save that much money on the 2022 cap.
Because it's post June-1, all of the remaining bonus money will hit next year.
Thanks for the analysis but I still don't see how it would work from a cap perspective. His salary is 13M. 2/17 (about $1.5M) has already been paid, leaving about $11.5M. Half of that latter number is $5.75M, which still exceeds the $5.1M in cap space the Giants have.
That 5.1M in cap space the Giants have on paper assumes the Giants will pay his 13M in full this year.
Any amount they pay him below 13M makes that 5.1M go up, not down.
this is not correct. the trading team would be able to cut him free and clear in the future. dead money is only accrued for cash paid to a player and not yet counted on the cap.
as christian said, a trading team could add golladay for very little salary remaining this year with the nyg eating some of the remaining salary they are already on the hook to trade him for.
any dollar saved is actually a dollar less is "dead money" if you consider every remaining dollar owed to KG as dead money. wherever that savings hits doesn't matter because if by circumstances they need that $ this year then it saves them from an alternative move that would kick money to next year or if not it can roll over to next year.
agreed - hopefully they can pump him for 1 game where he looks close to his old self and then find a team desperate enough for him. more likely i expect them to need to attach a conditional pick so it's basically paying to get rid of him.
It adds dead money, but it also frees up cap space.
He also has no guaranteed salary in 23/24. The only guaranteed money is a 4.5M roster bonus.
A team could trade for him and they have options.
If he flames out the only cost to them is whatever the Giant don't eat in salary this year + 4.5M next year.
If he does well, he's on a very reasonable 2/31M for 23/24.
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Thanks for the analysis but I still don't see how it would work from a cap perspective. His salary is 13M. 2/17 (about $1.5M) has already been paid, leaving about $11.5M. Half of that latter number is $5.75M, which still exceeds the $5.1M in cap space the Giants have.
That 5.1M in cap space the Giants have on paper assumes the Giants will pay his 13M in full this year.
Any amount they pay him below 13M makes that 5.1M go up, not down.
OK. I actually wondered that after I wrote my post, namely that his entire $13M salary (and not just 2 or 3/17ths of it) has already been accounted for in the cap. Thanks again.
any dollar saved is actually a dollar less is "dead money" if you consider every remaining dollar owed to KG as dead money.
Exactly. Every game check someone else pays Golladay is better than him riding the pine in NY and the Giants paying him.
any dollar saved is positive. if the money is saved in the present it can still be rolled over into the future - and they would save at least the league minimum and probably more (as christian points out there's a 4.5m salary on the hook for whatever team he's on).
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Cap spaces or picks. Ride it out this year and cut him in the offseason.
any dollar saved is positive. if the money is saved in the present it can still be rolled over into the future - and they would save at least the league minimum and probably more (as christian points out there's a 4.5m salary on the hook for whatever team he's on).
You don't have to explain to me. I get it. I'm simply saying that cutting isn't an option now. And as far as a trade goes, I don't want this to be an Osweiler type trade.