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Eric from BBI : Admin : 9/26/2022 10:59 pm
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RE: They have got to find a replacement for Crowder somehow  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 9/26/2022 11:43 pm : link
In comment 15833370 Greg from LI said:
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I lost count of how many tackles he missed


Just a total loser of a player. The fact that he’s still on the roster is a complete indictment of the lack of talent on this team.
Strange game for anyone to be shitting on Jones  
Matt M. : 9/26/2022 11:43 pm : link
He was carrying the team for the most part tonight.
RE: There are just too many LOSER players on the team.  
OBJ_AllDay : 9/26/2022 11:43 pm : link
In comment 15833504 shockeyisthebest8056 said:
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Tae Crowder, Darnay Holmes, and Kenny Golladay stand out among them. It’s like having 3 Evan Engrams instead of one.

Evan Neal… that was ugly. I’m not even sure that Thomas was that bad as a rookie.

The play-calling at the end of the half was atrocious and almost bit them in the ass. The Cowboys were giving them the first down and the sideline, but they’re running slants.

Barkley needed to get the ball more often.


The game was lost on not giving Barkley the ball enough. Tie game midfield second and 5 - he needs the ball there….
Jones is a gamer  
JerseyCityJoe : 9/26/2022 11:44 pm : link
His OL was overwhelmed the whole game and the kid was not shook. Bravo.
RE: RE: They have got to find a replacement for Crowder somehow  
Matt M. : 9/26/2022 11:44 pm : link
In comment 15833572 shockeyisthebest8056 said:
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I lost count of how many tackles he missed



Just a total loser of a player. The fact that he’s still on the roster is a complete indictment of the lack of talent on this team.
Losing Beavers was huge.
RE: RE: RE: Dallas  
AcidTest : 9/26/2022 11:45 pm : link
In comment 15833521 BigBlueinDE said:
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In comment 15833356 prdave73 said:


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as much as I have to admit, always out coach the Giants. Their franchise is ran better overall, same with the Eagles.


I didn’t see the out coached. We hung in. Saw the outplayed and out talented.



My take as well.


+2. We weren't outcoached. Our roster is just demonstrably inferior to the Cowboys. More than 70% of their players are their draft picks. They have drafted extremely well. We have not.
RE: When you don't score  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 9/26/2022 11:45 pm : link
In comment 15833561 Jerry in_DC said:
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You're going to play a bunch of close games. You're not going to win them all.

We won 2 close, low scoring games. We lost 1. The games themselves weren't that different.

That's just who we are right now. We're not good this year. It's OK. We're not supposed to be good this year.


Bingo.
I'm not shocked.  
Kev in Cali : 9/26/2022 11:45 pm : link
We were missed FG, and a couple CAR luck turnovers away from 0-2.....each game showed no offense. Now 2-1 with nothing still to show on offense (though barkley looked good), and defense that looked weak against backup Cooper Rush in prime-time.

We'll be #8 in power rankings next week. Outlook not good.
RE: RE: And Neal doesn’t look like an OT. Possibly a great Guard though based  
Returning Video Tapes : 9/26/2022 11:45 pm : link
In comment 15833508 ryanmkeane said:
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on his power size and explosiveness. Not sure how you can teach a guy balance though and good feet. Nothing to do with tonight, overall 3 game picture here.


He’s a rookie offensive tackle and he’s going to have ups and downs in year 1


Nah there’s a huge difference between that and a guy just looking like he does. Dancing elephants is what GY called them. Dudes an elephant for sure, and powerful AND explosive. But his balance and feet are just awful. It was a problem in college. He looks like he legit doesn’t belong. AT wasnt good, but I was technique issues and people were setting him up inside (and Miraculously got better when we fired the OL coach). The bright side is he can probably be a helluva guard which is also a major need on this team.
RE: RE: Acid  
AcidTest : 9/26/2022 11:46 pm : link
In comment 15833566 jvm52106 said:
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I didn’t see him out there once



Slayton was out there, did nothing.. He and KG are clearly not liked by this staff.


Neither of them can separate. None of our WRs can. That is why Jones is holding the ball for so long on so many plays.
If they like someone they should just move on for the rookie contact  
Returning Video Tapes : 9/26/2022 11:47 pm : link
because the roster stilll stinks, but i hope to hell DJ signs with someone like the Colts in off-season and takes them to a SB when I see some comments about him here
RE: Jones is a gamer  
jeff57 : 9/26/2022 11:48 pm : link
In comment 15833594 JerseyCityJoe said:
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His OL was overwhelmed the whole game and the kid was not shook. Bravo.


Yes. I really wonder if he had been drafted by a team with a decent OL how he would have developed.
RE: RE: When you don't score  
AcidTest : 9/26/2022 11:48 pm : link
In comment 15833601 Eric from BBI said:
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You're going to play a bunch of close games. You're not going to win them all.

We won 2 close, low scoring games. We lost 1. The games themselves weren't that different.

That's just who we are right now. We're not good this year. It's OK. We're not supposed to be good this year.



Bingo.


Agreed. But my fear as the year goes on is that the defense will get worn down and start to get blown out in the second half of many games. Aside from Barkley, we have nothing on offense. Bellinger is a nice move the chains TE but isn't going to beat anyone at this level down the seam. James should be primarily a PR and a #4 WR.
RE: RE: When you don't score  
PatersonPlank : 9/26/2022 11:49 pm : link
In comment 15833601 Eric from BBI said:
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You're going to play a bunch of close games. You're not going to win them all.

We won 2 close, low scoring games. We lost 1. The games themselves weren't that different.

That's just who we are right now. We're not good this year. It's OK. We're not supposed to be good this year.



Bingo.


I agree with this and I'm frankly encouraged. We are competing. I think the OL will get better. My biggest concern is a crappy WR's. This game will be a good learning experience for the OL, and the defense, both of which have a lot of young talent. If Daboll is as good a coach as I think we will get better.
I  
AcidTest : 9/26/2022 11:50 pm : link
think it's too early to move Neal to guard, but I'm fine if that's where he eventually ends up because as someone said, we have a real need there as well.
Kafka needs to commit to the run more  
jeff57 : 9/26/2022 11:50 pm : link
And I’m not talking about Jones’s improvised running.
RE: Jones is a gam  
Mike from Ohio : 9/26/2022 11:50 pm : link
In comment 15833594 JerseyCityJoe said:
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His OL was overwhelmed the whole game and the kid was not shook. Bravo.


He is a gamer. He just isn’t very good. I admire the shit out of Jones for the effort tonight, but I also want a more talented player under center next year. Effort and moxie are the keys to being a top flight NFL QB, no matter how much many of you wish it to be so.

This team needs a complete overhaul on the offensive side of the ball.
RE: RE: And Neal doesn’t look like an OT. Possibly a great Guard though based  
Returning Video Tapes : 9/26/2022 11:53 pm : link
In comment 15833481 Eric from BBI said:
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on his power size and explosiveness. Not sure how you can teach a guy balance though and good feet. Nothing to do with tonight, overall 3 game picture here.



I'm sure you said the same thing about our left tackle his rookie season.


I absolutely did not but nice try. When you are playing OT in pass pro, your are playing basketball with your feet and you get to use your hands. Instead of a basket though it’s the QB. This isn’t a technique issue where AT was trying to ride guys outside and getting set up inside (which got fixed by firing our OL coach AlMost immediately). This is a talent issue. How’s a guy gonna fix balance and nimble feet? Tough combo to have on outside and it was part of his scouting report and legit looks like he doesn’t belong.

Some of you guys are so gung ho on position over player you don’t see it. Shit 50 percent of the fanbase thinks Thibs is Myles Garrer incarnate because edge has been so bad. He ain’t that guy….but probably a good lock to be an 8 sack giy a year. I’ll leave my judgement on him setting the edge until he gets that knee healthy though.
RE: I thought “lemme see whats going on on BBI”  
joeinpa : 9/26/2022 11:54 pm : link
In comment 15833361 Aaroninma said:
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Then I saw all you babies whining

That was a tough loss. But we had chances. Can be 3-1 next week after beating a shit bears team. This isnt a good team, there will be days like this


There are quite a few posters who come across as lacking the mental toughness required for success in the arena of athletics.

Hopefully in their real lives outside of their fandom, they aren’t so easily defeated.

I thought the Carolina game  
M.S. : 9/26/2022 11:55 pm : link

Was a sign of bad things to come.

They came tonight in spades.

No pass rush
No pass protection
No WRs

Hold onto your hats. It’s a steep drop down from here.
This whole season is house money  
larryflower37 : 9/26/2022 11:57 pm : link
This team has very little talent at core positions. They are way ahead of schedule at 2-1.
It goes to show what good coaching can actually do.
Cannot believe anyone  
M.S. : 9/26/2022 11:58 pm : link

Is talking ill of Daniel Jones tonight.

He isn’t even close to being what ails this team,

He played well tonight and with a ton of courage:
RE: This whole season is house money  
M.S. : 9/26/2022 11:58 pm : link
In comment 15833709 larryflower37 said:
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This team has very little talent at core positions. They are way ahead of schedule at 2-1.
It goes to show what good coaching can actually do.

I agree with you!
I’ll remember this game for that wonderful Barkley  
cosmicj : 9/26/2022 11:59 pm : link
TD run. Just an inspired play.
RE: This whole season is house money  
Optimus-NY : 9/26/2022 11:59 pm : link
In comment 15833709 larryflower37 said:
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This team has very little talent at core positions. They are way ahead of schedule at 2-1.
It goes to show what good coaching can actually do.


Agreed
RE: There are just too many LOSER players on the team.  
Gmen703 : 9/26/2022 11:59 pm : link
In comment 15833504 shockeyisthebest8056 said:
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Tae Crowder, Darnay Holmes, and Kenny Golladay stand out among them. It’s like having 3 Evan Engrams instead of one.

Evan Neal… that was ugly. I’m not even sure that Thomas was that bad as a rookie.

The play-calling at the end of the half was atrocious and almost bit them in the ass. The Cowboys were giving them the first down and the sideline, but they’re running slants.

Barkley needed to get the ball more often.


Three Engrams....I lol'd
Good to see some of you finally catching up on Crowder  
Snablats : 9/26/2022 11:59 pm : link
Ive been saying it for 2 years

Said this at the end of the game thread - this feels like a 1981 or 1997 team: Bad offense, just enough defense and field goals to win a few games and contend for a playoff spot. Will lose close games they can win, like this one. And win close games they can lose, like the first two games

Thought Kafka didnt have a great game. But he is learning, too. As Eric said, Thibs/Ojulari werent in game shape, and not having Williams in the middle of the line really hurts because Crowder is so bad. Having a decent MLB can pick up some slack for Williams, but ours is the worst in the league

Middle of the OL is not good. Will be destroyed by good lines like Dallas, will be decent vs mediocre lines. Feliciano experiment at center not working out

What is worse, our WR room or our MLB room? Both worst in the NFL

Gotta beat the Bears and get to 3-1

We have to have the worst WR corp in the league, right?  
Dave in Hoboken : 9/27/2022 12:01 am : link
Shep (done now), KG, Toney (never plays), James, Sill.

I mean, holy SHIT. Emphasis on shit.

TE corp...not any better.

The Interior OL is also scary bad. This offense is far away from being a functional offense it's not even funny.
I really feel badly for Sterling Shepard  
M.S. : 9/27/2022 12:03 am : link

That may have been his last game as a NY Giant.
Is Slayton getting any snaps? He has to be better then what they  
fredgbrown : 9/27/2022 12:03 am : link
are ending out there. If he is out there why no targets.
BTW...  
bw in dc : 9/27/2022 12:04 am : link
losing at home to a divisional rival playing a back-up QB, two new OTs, and also with a depleted receiving corp is a huge, missed opportunity.
I mean realistically  
santacruzom : 9/27/2022 12:05 am : link
We'll probably have more post-game conversations like these this season than ones that follow a win. A better than .500 record following last season, with this talent, would be coach-of-the-year worthy.
RE: BTW...  
M.S. : 9/27/2022 12:06 am : link
In comment 15833753 bw in dc said:
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losing at home to a divisional rival playing a back-up QB, two new OTs, and also with a depleted receiving corp is a huge, missed opportunity.

Or, it’s just another signal that this may be another ugly season for the Giants and another Top 5 to 7 draft choice.
It's not even that we lost  
GiantSteps : 9/27/2022 12:06 am : link
I just can't stand losing games like this to Dallas every time we play them on prime time. I feel like I've watched this ending a million times.

Unfortunate turnover at the end with a bare glimmer of hope left, and we lose someone valuable for the year at some point in the game.

Jones played his heart out.

Ugh I fucking hate Dallas. I fucking hate Dave Gettleman. I fucking hate seeing Shep go down like that. Fuck Golladay, Fuck Toney, Fuck Jerruh
RE: BTW...  
BigBlueinDE : 9/27/2022 12:06 am : link
In comment 15833753 bw in dc said:
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losing at home to a divisional rival playing a back-up QB, two new OTs, and also with a depleted receiving corp is a huge, missed opportunity.


In theory, yes. That said, Dallas still has a better roster overall and it was pretty obvious.
I want to see Daboll and this coachign staff off a loss on a short wee  
nym172 : 9/27/2022 12:08 am : link
Huge to see this staff how can they react...do they not let it snowball? Can they beat CHI? We need that one.

We need Jaylon Smith to be active and Tony Jefferson as well. We need Leo back and Aaron Robinson. Roll with McFadden and Jaylon at ILB. Enough with Crowder - we can't play Crowder for 17 weeks, there has to be consequences for his ridiculous poor play. He can't keep playing - if he does continue to play snap in snap out everything Daboll stands for is meaningless you earn your playing time.

Get Lemeuix back and move Bredeson to C in a few weeks.

Play slayton and marcus johnson off the PS we need speed at at Wide receiver badly, Sills and KG are too slow. Take some SHOTS!!!

We need to play Barkley more at wide out and get Breida more involved. Become a more ground and pound team please with antonio williams.

Sign a FB and go more I formation/Pistol as well.

Pray Wandale and Toney can get back and get healthy and give them a boost with Shep out.
RE: Cannot believe anyone  
broadbandz : 9/27/2022 12:08 am : link
In comment 15833715 M.S. said:
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Is talking ill of Daniel Jones tonight.

He isn’t even close to being what ails this team,

He played well tonight and with a ton of courage:


Even though the trash ass recievers got zero separation. Jones really looked like he was reading the defense better and just operating a tick faster in the entire offense. Would really like to see where it goes with just one decent nfl wr out there.
RE: I mean realistically  
M.S. : 9/27/2022 12:08 am : link
In comment 15833764 santacruzom said:
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We'll probably have more post-game conversations like these this season than ones that follow a win. A better than .500 record following last season, with this talent, would be coach-of-the-year worthy.

Won’t have to worry about a +.500 season for the Giants. Ain’t gonna happen. Not nearly enough talent.
Barkley scores  
jmalls23 : 9/27/2022 12:12 am : link
We are up 13-6. D has been dominant. We let them score 17 straight and we do zero. Its the same old shit
All the issues that we were warned about in preseason:  
Modzelewski : 9/27/2022 12:13 am : link
-O Line growing pains
-Top pass rushers hurt off season, not getting reps
-lack of deep threat talent at WR, injured WR’s
-lack of depth/talent at positions like LB, TE, DL, CB
And, talent and depth in general were all put to the test in this game.
Dallas just unraveled us tonight & showed all these deficiencies.

The upside  
Paulie Walnuts : 9/27/2022 12:14 am : link
Is that I made some really good chicken parmigiana tonight
RE: Gano only good player  
nochance : 9/27/2022 12:14 am : link
In comment 15833073 jmalls23 said:
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This team is actually funny



But they were right in it to the end
RE: All the issues that we were warned about in preseason:  
M.S. : 9/27/2022 12:17 am : link
In comment 15833804 Modzelewski said:
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-O Line growing pains
-Top pass rushers hurt off season, not getting reps
-lack of deep threat talent at WR, injured WR’s
-lack of depth/talent at positions like LB, TE, DL, CB
And, talent and depth in general were all put to the test in this game.
Dallas just unraveled us tonight & showed all these deficiencies.

Very well said. Just want to add that I thought last week’s Carolina game was a warning sign even though Giants came out of it with a win. It’s just really hard to win in the NFL with zero pass blocking and zero pass rush.
There is a lot to work to be done  
OlyWABigBlue : 9/27/2022 12:17 am : link
the lack of WR talent is a real issue, but there is a lot of things that need to be cleaned up. The TEs have to be better in their chips, OL needs to set better and some other little things to put some lipstick on the pig.

I will be very interested to see how the new staff gets them ready for the Bears after this showing, especially on a short week.
I was at the game, oir Wr are trash amd thibs  
MartyNJ1969 : 9/27/2022 12:19 am : link
Is a complete bust. Thibs couldnt shed a rb block on a rish i counted 3 times at least. He sucks donkey dic*
Hopefully the coaches are currently discussing  
Andy in Halifax : 9/27/2022 12:21 am : link
"how do we make Robinson and Toney into good NFL receivers"
MS-  
Modzelewski : 9/27/2022 12:23 am : link
I’m actually shocked we are 2-1.
So, there’s the positive spin!

RE: I was at the game, oir Wr are trash amd thibs  
nym172 : 9/27/2022 12:23 am : link
In comment 15833830 MartyNJ1969 said:
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Is a complete bust. Thibs couldnt shed a rb block on a rish i counted 3 times at least. He sucks donkey dic*


that was one pick I never got....all I heard is about his first step....
I didn't think they looked prepared  
Red Right Hand : 9/27/2022 12:23 am : link
I didn't think they looked sharp, or hustled, or acted like they were invested the way you would expect. tacklng was awful, blocking wasn't there.

I thought jones played well. He showed me something that I think a good team would have capitalized on.

I wasn't impressed with the coaching.
RE: RE: RE: And Neal doesn’t look like an OT. Possibly a great Guard though based  
giantstock : 9/27/2022 12:23 am : link
In comment 15833679 Returning Video Tapes said:
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and legit looks like he doesn’t belong.



what a joke your comment is. After 3 games you can tell?

Go back to analyzing Pop Warner.
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