Got the snot beat out of him and still made plays with zero WR help. The WR corp is a joke. Even Aikman, a known Dallas homer and Giant hater was won over by Jones while broadcasting the game.
Made some questionable throws but this Dallas D is terrifying. DJ's runs were good. Overall I would say he played tough - not sure I would say he played great.
That is not saying much, of course, but he played a heck of a game...
I hate to bring up this excuse for the 4th year in a row but how the hell can you expect to evaluate a QB when the Oline has 4 turnstiles and the receivers cannot get a lick of separation.
Shepard looks to have a serious injury and he was the only guy in uniform tonight that resembles a starting NFL receiver (and even that is debatable). Something needs to be done because they cannot possibly expect to be competitive offensively with this current crew of receivers they are running out there.
I did think he played well though given the circumstances
But he is absolutely not part of the solution. The question with Jones is how do you rank the urgency of replacing him when there are so many players who need to be replaced?
Jones is not the Giants biggest problem, just one of them.
I guarantee you there's an NFL coach or GM watching the game tonight
who sees the talent Jones has, and what he could be if he wasn't running for his life on every passing down.
The biggest question is whether spending four years under near constant pressure has mindfucked him past the point where he can be salvaged on another team next year.
Jones does not play defense, he does not play any oline position,
or WR, the Jones haters will never see anything but a loss. The cowturds came after him and there was nothing the oline could to stop them, Jones play well all things considered.
That is not saying much, of course, but he played a heck of a game...
I hate to bring up this excuse for the 4th year in a row but how the hell can you expect to evaluate a QB when the Oline has 4 turnstiles and the receivers cannot get a lick of separation.
Shepard looks to have a serious injury and he was the only guy in uniform tonight that resembles a starting NFL receiver (and even that is debatable). Something needs to be done because they cannot possibly expect to be competitive offensively with this current crew of receivers they are running out there.
I was really disappointed in the line tonight. That was a horrible showing. Dallas D is really really good but even with TE help the o-line was just getting completely lit up.
Hard to evaluate. He turned lemons into limes. Took what was there and surprised me with a few things.
We don't have the line to throw the ball effectively. And now without Shep, we don't have anything at WR. Might as well have Breida line up wide at this point. Neal is a liability at this point in pass protection. Golladay... Why even suit up?
mostly more of the same, could not do enough when it mattered most. No TDs, 5 ypa, couldn't get in the red zone let alone score points. They should have fed SB to try and establish some balance, but the OL and receivers had a rough night. Ugly. A performance that really highlights they need more talent including QB.
mostly more of the same, could not do enough when it mattered most. No TDs, 5 ypa, couldn't get in the red zone let alone score points. They should have fed SB to try and establish some balance, but the OL and receivers had a rough night. Ugly. A performance that really highlights they need more talent including QB.
is a huge stretch. For him he played a very good game.
He was fine. He had little to no help, but he still didn't play a "very good" game. Our standards for very good QB play are total shit around here after the last 5 years
He took too many sacks coming from his right side. He needs to either step into the pocket and make a throw to a receiver or out of bounds. I’ve been hoping Jones turned the corner, but he’s not a guy that you win with at this level consistently. Time to move on in the offseason.
He did not. This was his big chance. Way, way too small. Not good enough. Just a guy. What happens matters. If he could threaten the defense, Barkley would have lanes.
He was neutral. Several nice runs, a few nice passes.
This is the worst case scenario: the Giants still can’t get a read.
They absolutely can get a read. There's plenty enough evidence on Jones to realize he's not the guy. If this group of Daboll, Schoen and Kafka can't see it then they can take a fucking hike too. But I'm sure they can. Jones does not have it. Tonight was not his fault, but its abundantly clear he is not the answer at QB.
You're never going to score a lot of points with Jones as your QB. But given his limitations he did well. He even made a handful of off script plays and had a few non robotic moments. And no major mistakes even under a lot of pressure
He needs to run like he did tonight. That's when he's at his best.
To me, this was easily his best game of the year and one of his better games of his career.
He was neutral. Several nice runs, a few nice passes.
This is the worst case scenario: the Giants still can’t get a read.
It doesn’t matter at this point honestly, the read is immaterial. The situation is hourglass and time is coming up. The roster needs so much infusion still they’re going to punt forward with a new QB, cap reset in next couple years, and it might be best for all parties including Jones to get a refresh year elsewhere.
He played about as well as he could under the circumstances
I still don’t think he’s particularly good but everyone else on offense other than Barkley and maybe Thomas did absolutely nothing tonight. OL was a sieve. The TEs who were supposed to be giving the OTs help failed miserably. WRs don’t get open much and drop the ball when they do get open.
He was neutral. Several nice runs, a few nice passes.
This is the worst case scenario: the Giants still can’t get a read.
They absolutely can get a read. There's plenty enough evidence on Jones to realize he's not the guy. If this group of Daboll, Schoen and Kafka can't see it then they can take a fucking hike too. But I'm sure they can. Jones does not have it. Tonight was not his fault, but its abundantly clear he is not the answer at QB.
He did not. This was his big chance. Way, way too small. Not good enough. Just a guy. What happens matters. If he could threaten the defense, Barkley would have lanes.
How do you threaten the defense if you’re constantly pressured, your receivers can’t get open, and when you get the ball to them they drop it?
He was neutral. Several nice runs, a few nice passes.
This is the worst case scenario: the Giants still can’t get a read.
I don’t know why you’d say this. Jones played alright tonight. He got some bad luck with drops and he extended plays with his legs. But, Schoen/Daboll/Brown did not draft Jones. Even if he’s had shitty luck and poor circumstances, I don’t see Schoen caring about that. This regime will want their own QB I’d guess at a cheaper price.
I genuinely enjoy your posts for the most part. I think we have a similar view on Jones. But if you can’t give him credit for how he played given the circumstances I think you’ve jumped the shark to the opposite end of the spectrum of the pom pom posters
And concludes that Jones stunk tonight….they don’t know squat and can’t even show some respect for a guy who took an absolute beating out there doing all he could with not much help……
I’m not talking about whether Jones should still be on our team next year….that’s a different topic….I’m talking about just this game. Jones gave us a chance tonight….too bad on the last offensive play he has to throw to a guy named Sills who can’t even stay on his feet….sigh
What happened to the thread you deleted…catching too much shit?
Maybe. Maybe not. Maybe go F yourself.
Hahaha, your such a tool. Can’t wait for your thousand responses on each and every thread on how much you despise Jones. Have another drink and please make sure you tell us all about it.
I haven't seen anything that if I were Schoen or Daboll
labelled. But he was definitely heroic. If our so called fans who post here can’t recognize that than they should just go away. If he had one NFL quality receiver and used #26 more as a receiver it might have been better.
If every Giant played as heroically as DJ, we would be a much better football team.
Jones is one of those players that could do well elsewhere
pocket (if you could call it a pocket). He was on the run constantly and kept looking down the field, plus his running for key yards was important. He was really let down by the WR's and of course the OL. I can't remember a play where eh actually got to stand in the pocket. I also don't think he was holding it too long. He was creating time back there with his movement, and was waiting/hoping any WR would get open. A lot of QBs would have been sacked a lot more.
He took too many sacks coming from his right side. He needs to either step into the pocket and make a throw to a receiver or out of bounds. I’ve been hoping Jones turned the corner, but he’s not a guy that you win with at this level consistently. Time to move on in the offseason.
What pocket to step up in? There were not many opportunities.
RE: I think until they get the O-line stable & some true WR help
It is truly hard to write off Jones. QBs are hard to find in this league and Jones at times shows something.
They should have won the way he played. He made 2 bad throws all night and one was at the end and there was nothing there anyway, we were done, and not because of him. He got nothing from the team. Nothing.
This forum goes back & forth every week on him. He played well and they should still look to upgrade him. This offense has maybe 2 players right now (Saquon & Andrew Thomas) who are very solid NFL players and Saquon may not be here long term.
Not a shock statement with an offense this bad. 95-98% of it needs upgrading. Neal has time b/c of his draft slot, brutal game tonight hopefully he figures it out.
RE: I haven't seen anything that if I were Schoen or Daboll
that I would stake my career on. If I were John Mara, sure he looks great.
If they are looking to evaluate talent on this team, Jones showed up big time in the plus column tonight. Other than LT and RB every other position gets a huge F
Personally, I don’t think Jones is the answer. But I think the Giants bring him back.
I don’t have a crystal ball but why would schoen and daboll stake their careers on jones. I just don’t see it. They will want their guy.
Because Jones checks all the smart, tough, dependable boxes. And if you lay the blame on the line and WRs, they might squint and see untapped potential.
But he is absolutely not part of the solution. The question with Jones is how do you rank the urgency of replacing him when there are so many players who need to be replaced?
Jones is not the Giants biggest problem, just one of them.
This is, to me, is the most painfully accurate statement of what he is. He’s keeping the seat warm at this point and i’ll take him as a bridge.
Everything we saw, I thought was great given the circumstances.
I just didn’t see him shift protections or call a single audible. I’m not sure if the coaches allow him to, but I feel like that could have been the difference tonight.
Personally, I don’t think Jones is the answer. But I think the Giants bring him back.
Another thing. You don’t think Brandon Brown looks at the production increase from Wentz to Hurts? This vaunted Eagles OL is not as good as BBI makes it. Hurts was running for his life against Detroit and still produced. It’s about production.
Personally, I don’t think Jones is the answer. But I think the Giants bring him back.
Another thing. You don’t think Brandon Brown looks at the production increase from Wentz to Hurts? This vaunted Eagles OL is not as good as BBI makes it. Hurts was running for his life against Detroit and still produced. It’s about production.
Eagles have a top 5 Oline. Hurts can extend plays. Both are true.
I guess that’s why you deleted your thread, a grammar mistake? Maybe have the balls to keep it up there, but I guess your more worried about your BBI cred.
Personally, I don’t think Jones is the answer. But I think the Giants bring him back.
Another thing. You don’t think Brandon Brown looks at the production increase from Wentz to Hurts? This vaunted Eagles OL is not as good as BBI makes it. Hurts was running for his life against Detroit and still produced. It’s about production.
Look who Hurts is throwing too, they get open. Its not Sills/James/Golladay/Shep/etc
Personally, I don’t think Jones is the answer. But I think the Giants bring him back.
Another thing. You don’t think Brandon Brown looks at the production increase from Wentz to Hurts? This vaunted Eagles OL is not as good as BBI makes it. Hurts was running for his life against Detroit and still produced. It’s about production.
Eagles have a top 5 Oline. Hurts can extend plays. Both are true.
That’s true, but that same OL was bad with Wentz at QB.
Jones played well tonight given the pressure. Amazing how poor the WR’s have been after all the investments into that position.
but it seems like the same people demanding he be praised for team wins want to give him zero blame for the loss.
Not saying he is to blame for the loss just a comment on how aggressively anything remotely positive about him is pushed.
The thread title is a perfect example. You'd have to put up much better numbers than he had in a loss to have had a "very good game"
This is going the way I've been fearing it will. He plays well enough to stay but he just isn't the guy to elevate his team. All of this nonsense about people like Hurts having an OL and us not having an OL and blah blah. Some QBs elevate their teams, you can elevate from good to great, from bad to ok, etc.
As I'm sure I'll say many times this season I just hope we don't give him a long term deal. I think the more he games in which he doesn't shit the bed the higher and higher the chance that he's here at least on a short term deal.
The guys making the decision on Jones’ future here
Know a shit ton more than us about evaluating QBs and DJ in particular.
He showed a lot tonight. But I’m guessing he will have to show much more to earn a future here.
You're never going to score a lot of points with Jones as your QB. But given his limitations he did well. He even made a handful of off script plays and had a few non robotic moments. And no major mistakes even under a lot of pressure
He needs to run like he did tonight. That's when he's at his best.
To me, this was easily his best game of the year and one of his better games of his career.
Yes. That 4th quarter throw to James on the sideline I thought was his best throw of maybe the last two years. If he did that 3-4 times a game, we’d have something. But it’s not.
Glve him credit. He showed up. But it’s not enough.
but it seems like the same people demanding he be praised for team wins want to give him zero blame for the loss.
Not saying he is to blame for the loss just a comment on how aggressively anything remotely positive about him is pushed.
The thread title is a perfect example. You'd have to put up much better numbers than he had in a loss to have had a "very good game"
This is going the way I've been fearing it will. He plays well enough to stay but he just isn't the guy to elevate his team. All of this nonsense about people like Hurts having an OL and us not having an OL and blah blah. Some QBs elevate their teams, you can elevate from good to great, from bad to ok, etc.
As I'm sure I'll say many times this season I just hope we don't give him a long term deal. I think the more he games in which he doesn't shit the bed the higher and higher the chance that he's here at least on a short term deal.
This is what I fear. That John Mara evaluates Daniel Jones the same way that the Pollyannas do - “He is tough and has a bad team around him. If we get him players he will be fine.”
Few QBs could succeed here the last few years. Jones has played his heart out. He just isn’t anything more than a game manager and they can’t pay him for anything above that.
You want Jones back? Offer him $10M per year. If he wants more let someone else pay it. He needs to have a limited cap impact because of the talent you need to surround him with to compete.
This is what I fear. That John Mara evaluates Daniel Jones the same way that the Pollyannas do - “He is tough and has a bad team around him. If we get him players he will be fine.”
Unfortunately, or perhaps fortunately we know already that this is exactly how Mara thinks. And I tend to believe another thing that get mentioned often is how we are going to end up giving him a short term deal. Mara will ask who their ideas for better QBs are they won't really have an answer for that, they may say the draft and Mara will probably say ok, well draft your QB and they can compete with Jones. See now given how Jones has played especially tonight I don't really have a problem with just this part.
BUT
Draft rolls around and I can see the whole Mara clan pushing for other players and talking with another narrative we see here that is essentially we shouldn't reach for a QB when we have so many holes and QBs are a crapshoot. (meanwhile you are almost always needing to reach for a QB to get a good one) So we don't end up bringing in real competition for Jones. I think whatever we see from the Pollyannas around here Mara isn't too far from and yes unfortunately that isn't really conjecture
RE: The guys making the decision on Jones’ future here
Know a shit ton more than us about evaluating QBs and DJ in particular.
He showed a lot tonight. But I’m guessing he will have to show much more to earn a future here.
But how do you show “much more” with near zero pass protection and near zero WRs?
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Daniel was sacked 5 times and 12 QB hits. If it wasn't for his legs, it would have been 10 sacks and 30 hits.
I don’t know if he has a future as a winning QB or not. It’s impossible to tell with such bad play around him. Unfortunately they probably won’t really find out for sure this year. Which given the circumstances means they’ll move on.
RE: Jones played his ass off and showed a lot of courage
I don’t know if he has a future as a winning QB or not. It’s impossible to tell with such bad play around him. Unfortunately they probably won’t really find out for sure this year. Which given the circumstances means they’ll move on.
Move on to whom? What available QB next season would do better with what Jones had to work with tonight?
RE: RE: Jones played his ass off and showed a lot of courage
I don’t know if he has a future as a winning QB or not. It’s impossible to tell with such bad play around him. Unfortunately they probably won’t really find out for sure this year. Which given the circumstances means they’ll move on.
Move on to whom? What available QB next season would do better with what Jones had to work with tonight?
I don’t know, but these guys didn’t draft Jones. They declined his option when given the opportunity to exercise it. A lot of times things aren’t fair in the NFL. I think Schoen & Daboll will want to draft their own QB which will cost less and be a clean slate. That tends to happen when a new GM inherits a QB.
Daniel Jones was pressured on 24 dropbacks Monday night. Most in NFL this season, per
@ESPNStatsInfo
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Jones now pressured on 40.8% snaps this season, second only to Justin Fields.
and no he didn't have enough help out there last night, he still even got into the flow of the game in spots. But, the issues with processing what he sees and making the right decisions was still spotty. Game is often too fast for him, and jailbreak football won't help him either. Offense isn't scoring points save for SB, but he's playing behind the same offensive line and next to the same weapons.
This is what I fear. That John Mara evaluates Daniel Jones the same way that the Pollyannas do - “He is tough and has a bad team around him. If we get him players he will be fine.”
Unfortunately, or perhaps fortunately we know already that this is exactly how Mara thinks. And I tend to believe another thing that get mentioned often is how we are going to end up giving him a short term deal. Mara will ask who their ideas for better QBs are they won't really have an answer for that, they may say the draft and Mara will probably say ok, well draft your QB and they can compete with Jones. See now given how Jones has played especially tonight I don't really have a problem with just this part.
BUT
Draft rolls around and I can see the whole Mara clan pushing for other players and talking with another narrative we see here that is essentially we shouldn't reach for a QB when we have so many holes and QBs are a crapshoot. (meanwhile you are almost always needing to reach for a QB to get a good one) So we don't end up bringing in real competition for Jones. I think whatever we see from the Pollyannas around here Mara isn't too far from and yes unfortunately that isn't really conjecture
I’m just not buying this. In fact, this same situation happened in 2019 with Eli (a QB Mara likes more than Jones) and Mara did not get in the way of drafting a QB at 6.
For context, the 2018 Giants finished the season 4-4 with much better offensive performances down the stretch led by Eli. Mara could have pushed for a pick which helped Eli.
RE: I would say he played a heroic game. Not sure how good it could be
labelled. But he was definitely heroic. If our so called fans who post here can’t recognize that than they should just go away. If he had one NFL quality receiver and used #26 more as a receiver it might have been better.
If every Giant played as heroically as DJ, we would be a much better football team.
He absolutely played with grit and toughness, but playing football is never “heroic”. Come on, he competed in a game he gets paid millions for, so let’s cut the “heroic” talk.
I don't think he played 'very well'. He was solid & did what he could to give us a chance. And I was completely wrong in pissing on him after that INT that wasn't his fault with Sills falling down. Alcohol & anger @ losing Dallas...not a good combo for me.
I don't think he played 'very well'. He was solid & did what he could to give us a chance. And I was completely wrong in pissing on him after that INT that wasn't his fault with Sills falling down. Alcohol & anger @ losing Dallas...not a good combo for me.
I did the same, but honestly that’s okay. The game threads are like watching a game at the bar. Emotions are high. We’re all Giant fans and want to see the team win.
Fuck you jackass
He played well considering how many times he been hit and chased tonight.
You should go follow the Cowboys jackass
That is not saying much, of course, but he played a heck of a game...
I hate to bring up this excuse for the 4th year in a row but how the hell can you expect to evaluate a QB when the Oline has 4 turnstiles and the receivers cannot get a lick of separation.
Shepard looks to have a serious injury and he was the only guy in uniform tonight that resembles a starting NFL receiver (and even that is debatable). Something needs to be done because they cannot possibly expect to be competitive offensively with this current crew of receivers they are running out there.
We don't have the line to throw the ball effectively. And now without Shep, we don't have anything at
Pray tell, what did you see during the 25 pressures....most ever in his career...that you would have done better?
Jones is not the Giants biggest problem, just one of them.
The biggest question is whether spending four years under near constant pressure has mindfucked him past the point where he can be salvaged on another team next year.
That is not saying much, of course, but he played a heck of a game...
I hate to bring up this excuse for the 4th year in a row but how the hell can you expect to evaluate a QB when the Oline has 4 turnstiles and the receivers cannot get a lick of separation.
Shepard looks to have a serious injury and he was the only guy in uniform tonight that resembles a starting NFL receiver (and even that is debatable). Something needs to be done because they cannot possibly expect to be competitive offensively with this current crew of receivers they are running out there.
I was really disappointed in the line tonight. That was a horrible showing. Dallas D is really really good but even with TE help the o-line was just getting completely lit up.
We don't have the line to throw the ball effectively. And now without Shep, we don't have anything at WR. Might as well have Breida line up wide at this point. Neal is a liability at this point in pass protection. Golladay... Why even suit up?
Agreed
Almost NOBODY, all night, came back to help him, not even the HOT receivers. They just ran their routes, ineffectively.
Dallas is far more talented than the Giants.
He was fine. He had little to no help, but he still didn't play a "very good" game. Our standards for very good QB play are total shit around here after the last 5 years
I feel bad for him a bit because he’s a good kid who has never complained and is looking a bit like David Carr part Deux.
Unless he balls out rest of year, I just don’t see where he’s back here next year though.
He was neutral. Several nice runs, a few nice passes.
This is the worst case scenario: the Giants still can’t get a read.
He was neutral. Several nice runs, a few nice passes.
This is the worst case scenario: the Giants still can’t get a read.
They absolutely can get a read. There's plenty enough evidence on Jones to realize he's not the guy. If this group of Daboll, Schoen and Kafka can't see it then they can take a fucking hike too. But I'm sure they can. Jones does not have it. Tonight was not his fault, but its abundantly clear he is not the answer at QB.
What happened to the thread you deleted…catching too much shit?
Even though you missed the game, you can catch the highlights.
He needs to run like he did tonight. That's when he's at his best.
To me, this was easily his best game of the year and one of his better games of his career.
He was neutral. Several nice runs, a few nice passes.
This is the worst case scenario: the Giants still can’t get a read.
It doesn’t matter at this point honestly, the read is immaterial. The situation is hourglass and time is coming up. The roster needs so much infusion still they’re going to punt forward with a new QB, cap reset in next couple years, and it might be best for all parties including Jones to get a refresh year elsewhere.
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He was neutral. Several nice runs, a few nice passes.
This is the worst case scenario: the Giants still can’t get a read.
They absolutely can get a read. There's plenty enough evidence on Jones to realize he's not the guy. If this group of Daboll, Schoen and Kafka can't see it then they can take a fucking hike too. But I'm sure they can. Jones does not have it. Tonight was not his fault, but its abundantly clear he is not the answer at QB.
Yeah I think they will move on.
How do you threaten the defense if you’re constantly pressured, your receivers can’t get open, and when you get the ball to them they drop it?
Definitely a bright spot in an otherwise horrid game that exposed this team for its huge lack of talent
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What happened to the thread you deleted…catching too much shit?
Maybe. Maybe not. Maybe go F yourself.
He was neutral. Several nice runs, a few nice passes.
This is the worst case scenario: the Giants still can’t get a read.
I don’t know why you’d say this. Jones played alright tonight. He got some bad luck with drops and he extended plays with his legs. But, Schoen/Daboll/Brown did not draft Jones. Even if he’s had shitty luck and poor circumstances, I don’t see Schoen caring about that. This regime will want their own QB I’d guess at a cheaper price.
I genuinely enjoy your posts for the most part. I think we have a similar view on Jones. But if you can’t give him credit for how he played given the circumstances I think you’ve jumped the shark to the opposite end of the spectrum of the pom pom posters
The option was not exercised.
I’m not talking about whether Jones should still be on our team next year….that’s a different topic….I’m talking about just this game. Jones gave us a chance tonight….too bad on the last offensive play he has to throw to a guy named Sills who can’t even stay on his feet….sigh
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What happened to the thread you deleted…catching too much shit?
Maybe. Maybe not. Maybe go F yourself.
Hahaha, your such a tool. Can’t wait for your thousand responses on each and every thread on how much you despise Jones. Have another drink and please make sure you tell us all about it.
I don’t have a crystal ball but why would schoen and daboll stake their careers on jones. I just don’t see it. They will want their guy.
If every Giant played as heroically as DJ, we would be a much better football team.
What pocket to step up in? There were not many opportunities.
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Personally, I don’t think Jones is the answer. But I think the Giants bring him back.
Why cant he be their guy?
I don’t have a crystal ball but why would schoen and daboll stake their careers on jones. I just don’t see it. They will want their guy.
Not a shock statement with an offense this bad. 95-98% of it needs upgrading. Neal has time b/c of his draft slot, brutal game tonight hopefully he figures it out.
If they are looking to evaluate talent on this team, Jones showed up big time in the plus column tonight. Other than LT and RB every other position gets a huge F
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Personally, I don’t think Jones is the answer. But I think the Giants bring him back.
I don’t have a crystal ball but why would schoen and daboll stake their careers on jones. I just don’t see it. They will want their guy.
Because Jones checks all the smart, tough, dependable boxes. And if you lay the blame on the line and WRs, they might squint and see untapped potential.
Jones is not the Giants biggest problem, just one of them.
This is, to me, is the most painfully accurate statement of what he is. He’s keeping the seat warm at this point and i’ll take him as a bridge.
I just didn’t see him shift protections or call a single audible. I’m not sure if the coaches allow him to, but I feel like that could have been the difference tonight.
Another thing. You don’t think Brandon Brown looks at the production increase from Wentz to Hurts? This vaunted Eagles OL is not as good as BBI makes it. Hurts was running for his life against Detroit and still produced. It’s about production.
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Personally, I don’t think Jones is the answer. But I think the Giants bring him back.
Another thing. You don’t think Brandon Brown looks at the production increase from Wentz to Hurts? This vaunted Eagles OL is not as good as BBI makes it. Hurts was running for his life against Detroit and still produced. It’s about production.
Eagles have a top 5 Oline. Hurts can extend plays. Both are true.
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I guess that’s why you deleted your thread, a grammar mistake? Maybe have the balls to keep it up there, but I guess your more worried about your BBI cred.
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Personally, I don’t think Jones is the answer. But I think the Giants bring him back.
Another thing. You don’t think Brandon Brown looks at the production increase from Wentz to Hurts? This vaunted Eagles OL is not as good as BBI makes it. Hurts was running for his life against Detroit and still produced. It’s about production.
Look who Hurts is throwing too, they get open. Its not Sills/James/Golladay/Shep/etc
Missed the 2011 NFC title game, I see
Per ESPN: “ Daniel Jones has been pressured 23 times tonight so far, the most in a game by a Giants QB since ESPN began tracking pressures in 2009.
It's also the most times any QB has been pressured in a game this season.”
There is a ton cover for Jones.
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Personally, I don’t think Jones is the answer. But I think the Giants bring him back.
Another thing. You don’t think Brandon Brown looks at the production increase from Wentz to Hurts? This vaunted Eagles OL is not as good as BBI makes it. Hurts was running for his life against Detroit and still produced. It’s about production.
Eagles have a top 5 Oline. Hurts can extend plays. Both are true.
That’s true, but that same OL was bad with Wentz at QB.
Jones played well tonight given the pressure. Amazing how poor the WR’s have been after all the investments into that position.
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A QB pressured so much and got the dirt as much as Jones did today, he also banged his head numerous times.
Missed the 2011 NFC title game, I see
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Personally, I don’t think Jones is the answer. But I think the Giants bring him back.
Eagles have a top 5 Oline. Hurts can extend plays. Both are true.
That’s true, but that same OL was bad with Wentz at QB.
Jones played well tonight given the pressure. Amazing how poor the WR’s have been after all the investments into that position.
Pretty sure we have the highest WR payroll in the NFL. I'm 100% sure that we have the worst WR corps in the NFL.
There is a ton cover for Jones.
Toss in a new HC, new OC, new offense, injuries, etc, and, well, year five of the Jones Experiment here we come! ;)
Not saying he is to blame for the loss just a comment on how aggressively anything remotely positive about him is pushed.
The thread title is a perfect example. You'd have to put up much better numbers than he had in a loss to have had a "very good game"
This is going the way I've been fearing it will. He plays well enough to stay but he just isn't the guy to elevate his team. All of this nonsense about people like Hurts having an OL and us not having an OL and blah blah. Some QBs elevate their teams, you can elevate from good to great, from bad to ok, etc.
As I'm sure I'll say many times this season I just hope we don't give him a long term deal. I think the more he games in which he doesn't shit the bed the higher and higher the chance that he's here at least on a short term deal.
He showed a lot tonight. But I’m guessing he will have to show much more to earn a future here.
He needs to run like he did tonight. That's when he's at his best.
To me, this was easily his best game of the year and one of his better games of his career.
Yes. That 4th quarter throw to James on the sideline I thought was his best throw of maybe the last two years. If he did that 3-4 times a game, we’d have something. But it’s not.
Glve him credit. He showed up. But it’s not enough.
Just adding information, don't really have my own opinion on it other then it was pretty fucking accurate off his back foot.
Not saying he is to blame for the loss just a comment on how aggressively anything remotely positive about him is pushed.
The thread title is a perfect example. You'd have to put up much better numbers than he had in a loss to have had a "very good game"
This is going the way I've been fearing it will. He plays well enough to stay but he just isn't the guy to elevate his team. All of this nonsense about people like Hurts having an OL and us not having an OL and blah blah. Some QBs elevate their teams, you can elevate from good to great, from bad to ok, etc.
As I'm sure I'll say many times this season I just hope we don't give him a long term deal. I think the more he games in which he doesn't shit the bed the higher and higher the chance that he's here at least on a short term deal.
This is what I fear. That John Mara evaluates Daniel Jones the same way that the Pollyannas do - “He is tough and has a bad team around him. If we get him players he will be fine.”
Few QBs could succeed here the last few years. Jones has played his heart out. He just isn’t anything more than a game manager and they can’t pay him for anything above that.
You want Jones back? Offer him $10M per year. If he wants more let someone else pay it. He needs to have a limited cap impact because of the talent you need to surround him with to compete.
Unfortunately, or perhaps fortunately we know already that this is exactly how Mara thinks. And I tend to believe another thing that get mentioned often is how we are going to end up giving him a short term deal. Mara will ask who their ideas for better QBs are they won't really have an answer for that, they may say the draft and Mara will probably say ok, well draft your QB and they can compete with Jones. See now given how Jones has played especially tonight I don't really have a problem with just this part.
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Draft rolls around and I can see the whole Mara clan pushing for other players and talking with another narrative we see here that is essentially we shouldn't reach for a QB when we have so many holes and QBs are a crapshoot. (meanwhile you are almost always needing to reach for a QB to get a good one) So we don't end up bringing in real competition for Jones. I think whatever we see from the Pollyannas around here Mara isn't too far from and yes unfortunately that isn't really conjecture
He showed a lot tonight. But I’m guessing he will have to show much more to earn a future here.
But how do you show “much more” with near zero pass protection and near zero WRs?
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Jon Feliciano on Daniel Jones: "He went out there and played his balls off and I mean everything he did, I mean, we we gotta just have his back."
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Daniel was sacked 5 times and 12 QB hits. If it wasn't for his legs, it would have been 10 sacks and 30 hits.
Yes. He FUCKING did. This OL and WR group was fucking PUTRID tonite. Enough with the everything is on Jones. Fucking ENOUGH.
Move on to whom? What available QB next season would do better with what Jones had to work with tonight?
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I don’t know if he has a future as a winning QB or not. It’s impossible to tell with such bad play around him. Unfortunately they probably won’t really find out for sure this year. Which given the circumstances means they’ll move on.
Move on to whom? What available QB next season would do better with what Jones had to work with tonight?
I don’t know, but these guys didn’t draft Jones. They declined his option when given the opportunity to exercise it. A lot of times things aren’t fair in the NFL. I think Schoen & Daboll will want to draft their own QB which will cost less and be a clean slate. That tends to happen when a new GM inherits a QB.
Daniel Jones was pressured on 24 dropbacks Monday night. Most in NFL this season, per
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Jones now pressured on 40.8% snaps this season, second only to Justin Fields.
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This is what I fear. That John Mara evaluates Daniel Jones the same way that the Pollyannas do - “He is tough and has a bad team around him. If we get him players he will be fine.”
Unfortunately, or perhaps fortunately we know already that this is exactly how Mara thinks. And I tend to believe another thing that get mentioned often is how we are going to end up giving him a short term deal. Mara will ask who their ideas for better QBs are they won't really have an answer for that, they may say the draft and Mara will probably say ok, well draft your QB and they can compete with Jones. See now given how Jones has played especially tonight I don't really have a problem with just this part.
BUT
Draft rolls around and I can see the whole Mara clan pushing for other players and talking with another narrative we see here that is essentially we shouldn't reach for a QB when we have so many holes and QBs are a crapshoot. (meanwhile you are almost always needing to reach for a QB to get a good one) So we don't end up bringing in real competition for Jones. I think whatever we see from the Pollyannas around here Mara isn't too far from and yes unfortunately that isn't really conjecture
I’m just not buying this. In fact, this same situation happened in 2019 with Eli (a QB Mara likes more than Jones) and Mara did not get in the way of drafting a QB at 6.
For context, the 2018 Giants finished the season 4-4 with much better offensive performances down the stretch led by Eli. Mara could have pushed for a pick which helped Eli.
If every Giant played as heroically as DJ, we would be a much better football team.
He absolutely played with grit and toughness, but playing football is never “heroic”. Come on, he competed in a game he gets paid millions for, so let’s cut the “heroic” talk.
I did the same, but honestly that’s okay. The game threads are like watching a game at the bar. Emotions are high. We’re all Giant fans and want to see the team win.