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arcarsenal : 9/26/2022 11:45 pm
I've been a major Jones critic, I don't think he's our future and I've been super hard on him, but I thought he played a really solid game tonight all things considered.

The line simply didn't protect; he was under duress almost all night long. He has no quality pass catchers to throw the ball to... Golladay isn't even trying, Shep is hurt again, Toney can't get on the field... Richie James, David Sills, Daniel Bellinger.. I mean, who is succeeding with targets like this?

He made the correct decisions with the football pretty regularly. He was fortunate Diggs didn't pluck that pass to Shepard down the left sideline, but I felt like he knew when to hold it, when to take off running, and when to just give the play up. He's just hard to evaluate because I don't see how any non-elite QB is making plays in his situation. Who wins football games with skill players this bad?

It sucks, I'd like to move on and find a better option after this year but it's fair to point out that right now, he's in a position where it's going to be very hard to thrive.

The silver lining for me is that I think we finally have the right coaches and GM in place to make the tough decisions that'll need to be made. We are a much better-coached team now, we just need the horses to make the plays necessary to win more football games.
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If the higher ups dont feel he is?  
Carl in CT : 9/26/2022 11:59 pm : link
Well get ready for 5 years of shit do to the lack of roster talent and starting over at the qb position. Remember when he was hurt we couldn’t win a game. If this kid just had one wR who could do anything we would be all set.
RE: No  
arcarsenal : 9/27/2022 12:00 am : link
In comment 15833714 Thegratefulhead said:
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He did not play well. He was outplayed by Rush.


Rush wasn't sacked once. Jones was sacked 5 times and had Lawrence/Parsons on his back within 2 seconds on more than half of his drop backs.

Jones also didn't have Ceedee Lamb running routes.
RE: Reading over the game thread  
Sean : 9/27/2022 12:01 am : link
In comment 15833712 joeinpa said:
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And the criticism directed towards him, made me realize a lot about the prism in which his critics view him

In what universe did he not perform well tonight !

Jones did play well tonight. He kept his eyes down field, extended plays and got some bad luck with drops.

This issue remains the same. Points. If you want to blame lack of WR’s that is fair. Frustrating considering all the resources spent at that position.
DJ deserves better than the hand he’s been  
RELICDOA : 9/27/2022 12:01 am : link
Given. The kid is a gamer. I hope he has a solid year. Let the chips fall from there.
I’d seriously consider signing Beckham  
Sean : 9/27/2022 12:02 am : link
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RE: No  
Chris in Philly : 9/27/2022 12:02 am : link
In comment 15833714 Thegratefulhead said:
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He did not play well. He was outplayed by Rush.


Could you perhaps sense a slight difference in quality between Rush’s offensive line and receiving corp versus ours?
With Shep now done  
larryflower37 : 9/27/2022 12:04 am : link
And no cap room at all it will only get worse from here.
I thought the play call was really good for what they are working with.

Jones made a ton of plays and moved around the pocket and made good passes on the run.
RE: RE: He played well and used his legs well  
Returning Video Tapes : 9/27/2022 12:04 am : link
In comment 15833698 arcarsenal said:
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WR’s made some bad drops. However, as usual this offense doesn’t produce enough. There just is not enough points.

Brandon Brown saw first hand the difference from Wentz to Hurts. Hurts produces. Wentz was beat down by a bad Philly OL.



No doubt, and I think Wentz mostly sucks... but Jalen has AJ Brown now, and Devonta Smith. His top WR pair is *so* much better than what Jones has.


It’s not even the same planet. Dude has about as big a delta you can get for pass pro OL and his top 3 receiving threats are better than our best.
I agree with everything right down to being a Jones  
NoGainDayne : 9/27/2022 12:04 am : link
critic. These were pretty close to my exact thoughts after the game.
RE: I’d seriously consider signing Beckham  
Thunderstruck27 : 9/27/2022 12:04 am : link
In comment 15833740 Sean said:
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Would be great but knowing him, he wants to get paid and play for a good team. I don't think we could afford him
RE: I’d seriously consider signing Beckham  
arcarsenal : 9/27/2022 12:05 am : link
In comment 15833740 Sean said:
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So would I. 100%. I think he's a different guy now and this staff could handle him.

For all his warts, Beckham loves football and wants to win. I'd love to have him back.
RE: ...  
Red Right Hand : 9/27/2022 12:05 am : link
In comment 15833631 broadbandz said:
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he's going to have improve like that every game if he wants to stay a starter.

I still think Jones starts for Atlanta or Indy next year and takes them to the playoffs.
If I'm some coach with a decent O line or WR corps and no QB, I'm licking my chops thinking i can get this guy cheap next year and have him hold fort for a couple of years.

You look at games like this and think he could thrive behind a real OL with a real WR corps. If this was the first time I ever watched him I'd think this guy mad sound decisions and didn't really leave any yards on the field. He looked competent. He made a couple of nice confident throws into tight spots. He stay poised under incredible pressure. There were things to like.
He's got absolutely nothing to work with.  
mittenedman : 9/27/2022 12:06 am : link
These WRs are like throwing sheep into the wolf den. Somehow, again, the Giants have the worst WR group in the league.
Same.  
Andy in Halifax : 9/27/2022 12:06 am : link
I've always landed on "not great, not terrible. Good." Not part of our future most likely unless Dabol can ressurect him. I'm not holding my breath but he does have a few tools.

But tonight he had virtually impossible conditions and did the thing we've asked him to do. Not look at the pressure and keep his eyes down field. He played well tonight. Not expecting it to change anything but he played as well as you could tonight.
RE: DJ deserves better than the hand he’s been  
NoGainDayne : 9/27/2022 12:07 am : link
In comment 15833737 RELICDOA said:
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Given. The kid is a gamer. I hope he has a solid year. Let the chips fall from there.


This is the one thing I can't stand. You are a professional NFL QB, you get what you get. No one deserves a better team, he's not St. Daniel, he's not some all time great saddled with bad teams for an entire career. This is a sentiment I cannot understand
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BillT : 9/27/2022 12:08 am : link
In comment 15833713 christian said:
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Good, but was it really good?


That’s a disappointing comment from you. Given what he faced? Really?



Lol I'm just joking about the nearly identically titled thread on the board right now.

Didn’t think it sounded like you. My bad.
He held the ball too long consistently  
90.Cal : 9/27/2022 12:08 am : link
& was consistently late to throw it when he did find an open man.

He had no time. Outside of Andrew Thomas the entire OL is dog shit. When he did have time he didn't look comfortable and just took too long to pull the trigger.

Don't remember a single deep shot
RE: No  
BillT : 9/27/2022 12:09 am : link
In comment 15833714 Thegratefulhead said:
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He did not play well. He was outplayed by Rush.

Wow, just wow.
I would like to see game tape  
Amc825 : 9/27/2022 12:09 am : link
So I could see how much separation the WR’s where getting downfield. Jones might of missed open receivers, been late of timing passes etc. we don’t know from watching the game because of the TV broadcast shows QB and online play only.
Daboll is going to see a lot of positives.....  
MOOPS : 9/27/2022 12:10 am : link
in Jones' play tonight.
I will tell you though he was buying a lot of time back there  
PatersonPlank : 9/27/2022 12:11 am : link
moving around in the pocket to extend the plays. That is a very good thing. He had mobility, awareness, etc. I think we'll find the WRs just suck
He looked good.  
St. Jimmy : 9/27/2022 12:12 am : link
I wouldn't bet my career on him if I were Schoen or Daboll but that is just me.
RE: He held the ball too long consistently  
guitarguybs12 : 9/27/2022 12:12 am : link
In comment 15833782 90.Cal said:
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& was consistently late to throw it when he did find an open man.

He had no time. Outside of Andrew Thomas the entire OL is dog shit. When he did have time he didn't look comfortable and just took too long to pull the trigger.

Don't remember a single deep shot


pull the trigger to whom exactly? one of our bum WRs with no separation into a tight window that could turn into an INT so you could then say "why is he throwing the ball into such tight windows, just throw it away"?
RE: DJ deserves better than the hand he’s been  
Red Right Hand : 9/27/2022 12:12 am : link
In comment 15833737 RELICDOA said:
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Given. The kid is a gamer. I hope he has a solid year. Let the chips fall from there.
He keeps playing like this, somebody will pay him.
RE: RE: Reading over the game thread  
NoGainDayne : 9/27/2022 12:13 am : link
In comment 15833736 Sean said:
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In comment 15833712 joeinpa said:


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And the criticism directed towards him, made me realize a lot about the prism in which his critics view him

In what universe did he not perform well tonight !



Jones did play well tonight. He kept his eyes down field, extended plays and got some bad luck with drops.

This issue remains the same. Points. If you want to blame lack of WR’s that is fair. Frustrating considering all the resources spent at that position.


He was really great with this. It was his best pocket awareness game I've seen him play. (Maybe self preservation lol) But the flip side is our only time in the endzone was another amazing run by Barkley. He has to get us into the endzone, he has to make more big plays, even against a good defense.
Didn’t OBJ tear an ACL again in the Super Bowl?  
Simms11 : 9/27/2022 12:14 am : link
He’s all but finished and he’s probably not even physically able to get on the field yet anyway.
2 minutes left  
jmalls23 : 9/27/2022 12:35 am : link
DJ is your QB. Who thought we could tie it? please give me a break.
RE: RE: DJ deserves better than the hand he’s been  
Scuzzlebutt : 9/27/2022 1:21 am : link
In comment 15833777 NoGainDayne said:
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Given. The kid is a gamer. I hope he has a solid year. Let the chips fall from there.



This is the one thing I can't stand. You are a professional NFL QB, you get what you get. No one deserves a better team, he's not St. Daniel, he's not some all time great saddled with bad teams for an entire career. This is a sentiment I cannot understand


What can’t you understand? It’s not a matter of Jones deserving a better supporting cast, but football is a team sport. The players surrounding any QB have a profound influence of the QBs performance.

No one is saying Jones is great (or a saint). We are just pointing out that his supporting cast has been among the worst in the league his whole career. Is it ok to at least acknowledge that the lack of talent hasn’t helped his performance or development? It’s a fact.
None of that means he "deserves" a much better cast  
NoGainDayne : 9/27/2022 1:28 am : link
people living in profound poverty or worse deserve better more equal lives. My sister is a social worker and I heard a long story tonight about someone sold into sex trafficking when she was 2.

Daniel Jones is a millionaire in his early 20's playing a game for a living. I'm not exactly sure what makes you or anyone think he "deserves" better but I personally think that kind of language is reserved for people who have suffered more than bad surrounding talent on a football team. And yes, it is confusing, when you talk about the word deserve you'd think he had some achievements or divinely special things about him to have him be so deserving of these better conditions. I think it's pretty nutty the way some of you think about him
RE: None of that means he  
Snablats : 9/27/2022 1:41 am : link
In comment 15833974 NoGainDayne said:
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people living in profound poverty or worse deserve better more equal lives. My sister is a social worker and I heard a long story tonight about someone sold into sex trafficking when she was 2.

Daniel Jones is a millionaire in his early 20's playing a game for a living. I'm not exactly sure what makes you or anyone think he "deserves" better but I personally think that kind of language is reserved for people who have suffered more than bad surrounding talent on a football team. And yes, it is confusing, when you talk about the word deserve you'd think he had some achievements or divinely special things about him to have him be so deserving of these better conditions. I think it's pretty nutty the way some of you think about him

Are you really this dumb? We are talking about Jones deserving better football players around him because he has never had that. No one is comparing this to social work but you
By what measure?  
HomerJones45 : 9/27/2022 2:04 am : link
Around 200 yards passing and no td’s which is pretty much his usual game. (The pick wasnt his fault). He ran some, ok, I guess. He was sacked and pressured but unless someone here has looked at all 22 already, you don’t know whether guys were open and he didn’t see them or if he was slow delivering the ball or slow processing the defense on those plays or hesitated. Sure, he was pressured, but in the NFL, the qb is going to be pressured. Does anyone think he was a lot better than Cooper Rush, a UDFA backup?

It was the same Jones with some scrambling for yards: a lot of short passes, no movement inside the 30, the Td on a long Barkley run and lots of the typical rationalizations that have dogged Jones since he was a starter at Duke and his tenure here under 3 administrations - the receivers are no good, the o line doesn’t give him enough time, the game plan was bad. Well, he’s been the common element-not terrible, but nothing to write home about even when he supposedly played well.
RE: By what measure?  
giantstock : 9/27/2022 2:15 am : link
In comment 15833994 HomerJones45 said:
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Sure, he was pressured, but in the NFL, the qb is going to be pressured. Does anyone think he was a lot better than Cooper Rush, a UDFA backup?



Because you are too blind and stupid to see he was under a lot more pressure than Rush doesn't mean we have to be.
RE: 2 minutes left  
Thunderstruck27 : 9/27/2022 2:18 am : link
In comment 15833890 jmalls23 said:
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DJ is your QB. Who thought we could tie it? please give me a break.


Who thought we could tie it? Definitely not anybody on our Oline or WRs. But did you think the defense would give up back to back TD drives after we went ahead by a TD?
Long after Daniel has played his last game, what I'll remember is his  
Waldo Jeffers : 9/27/2022 5:58 am : link
heart. Daniel Jones is a mensch - he has won my respect as a man.
Jones  
stretch234 : 9/27/2022 6:29 am : link
Sills and James are starting WR for this team. These are guys who on any other team are seeing 5-6 snaps per game at best

They can’t separate. Dallas defense was not concerned at all about defending them because there is no threat

It is almost impossible to score points with these WR while also having no time to throw

Jones was moving and looking downfield constantly. No one gets open. As much as I don’t like Slayton he has speed that does scare defenses

He may not be the answer but he is not the problem. Right now they are Jones Barkley and Thomas

Look at the difference in time to throw for him vs Rush and then how open Dallas WR are vs Giants. There is no comparison
this is what we have become  
The Jake : 9/27/2022 7:05 am : link
our QB is so bad that fans have to find things to compliment him about just to prove they don’t hate him as a person. and this thread wouldn’t exist if Diggs took that pick to the house, which he does 9 times out of 10 on that play.

good qbs elevate the players around them.
RE: this is what we have become  
Producer : 9/27/2022 7:08 am : link
In comment 15834083 The Jake said:
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our QB is so bad that fans have to find things to compliment him about just to prove they don’t hate him as a person. and this thread wouldn’t exist if Diggs took that pick to the house, which he does 9 times out of 10 on that play.

good qbs elevate the players around them.


You are exactly right. If Diggs makes that play, we are having a completely different conversation.
RE: this is what we have become  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 9/27/2022 7:25 am : link
In comment 15834083 The Jake said:
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our QB is so bad that fans have to find things to compliment him about just to prove they don’t hate him as a person. and this thread wouldn’t exist if Diggs took that pick to the house, which he does 9 times out of 10 on that play.

good qbs elevate the players around them.


On both plays Diggs almost intercepted, the receivers (Golladay, then Shep) never came back to the ball. They just stood there and waited for the ball to get to them. That’s a large part of how a ball gets cut off by a defender.

Tom Brady couldn’t elevate anyone he played with Sunday night. Aaron Rodgers team is averaging less points than Daniel Jones, Davis Mills, and Justin Fields’ teams. I know this is BBI, but enough with that dumb “elevating” bullshit.
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Producer : 9/27/2022 7:29 am : link
In comment 15834100 shockeyisthebest8056 said:
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our QB is so bad that fans have to find things to compliment him about just to prove they don’t hate him as a person. and this thread wouldn’t exist if Diggs took that pick to the house, which he does 9 times out of 10 on that play.

good qbs elevate the players around them.



On both plays Diggs almost intercepted, the receivers (Golladay, then Shep) never came back to the ball. They just stood there and waited for the ball to get to them. That’s a large part of how a ball gets cut off by a defender.

Tom Brady couldn’t elevate anyone he played with Sunday night. Aaron Rodgers team is averaging less points than Daniel Jones, Davis Mills, and Justin Fields’ teams. I know this is BBI, but enough with that dumb “elevating” bullshit.


Yea you're right. Aaron Rodgers and Tom Brady never elevated anyone because a one or three game sample size told you so. QBs elevating players is a myth, and Daniel Jones is just as good as Rodgers and Brady. Got that right?
i’ve seen  
The Jake : 9/27/2022 7:38 am : link
a handful of posters make this same argument today:

Tom Brady and Aaron Rodgers’ teams are struggling to score points too! See, it isn’t just DJ who can’t overcome a bad roster.

counterpoint:

Deion Branch
the corpse of Troy Brown
David Patten (love him, but still)
Bethel Johnson
David Givens
JJ Stokes

your 2003 Super Bowl winning WR core.

for your own sake, keep the GOAT’s name out of your mouth when talking about Daniel fucking Jones.
RE: i’ve seen  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 9/27/2022 8:10 am : link
In comment 15834119 The Jake said:
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a handful of posters make this same argument today:

Tom Brady and Aaron Rodgers’ teams are struggling to score points too! See, it isn’t just DJ who can’t overcome a bad roster.

counterpoint:

Deion Branch
the corpse of Troy Brown
David Patten (love him, but still)
Bethel Johnson
David Givens
JJ Stokes

your 2003 Super Bowl winning WR core.

for your own sake, keep the GOAT’s name out of your mouth when talking about Daniel fucking Jones.


I’m not sure if you’re being intentionally obtuse or you’re just this stupid. No QB, not even Tom Brady, can elevate a complete dumpster fire of a situation. You’re naming WRs, but what about New England’s offensive line that season? Guys like Light, Woody, Andruzzi, and Koppen. What about the fact that the Pats had one of the best offensive line coaches ever in Dante Scarnecchia in 2003? And they still had Charlie Weis running the offense as well as the GoAT HC overseeing the entire operation. (BTW, the Pats allowed the fewest points in the sport that season.)

Eli Manning had a horrendous offensive line in 2011. He also had the best collection of WR talent in the franchise’s history along with a TE who played out of his mind for a season.

As we saw with Joe Burrow last season, guys can have success when one of the parts of the team is substandard or even bad. But no one has success when the receivers stink AND the offensive line is a mess. There’s no elevating a situation like that. Only on BBI do people believe that’s happening.
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NoGainDayne : 9/27/2022 8:37 am : link
In comment 15833984 Snablats said:
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people living in profound poverty or worse deserve better more equal lives. My sister is a social worker and I heard a long story tonight about someone sold into sex trafficking when she was 2.

Daniel Jones is a millionaire in his early 20's playing a game for a living. I'm not exactly sure what makes you or anyone think he "deserves" better but I personally think that kind of language is reserved for people who have suffered more than bad surrounding talent on a football team. And yes, it is confusing, when you talk about the word deserve you'd think he had some achievements or divinely special things about him to have him be so deserving of these better conditions. I think it's pretty nutty the way some of you think about him


Are you really this dumb? We are talking about Jones deserving better football players around him because he has never had that. No one is comparing this to social work but you


No I'm making a clear point about the word deserve. And you'd have to say what exactly makes Jones so deserving of better conditions? Being a swell guy and a hard worker isn't exactly that, it's not dumb. It's dumb to suggest someone with so much privilege "deserves" anything better than they have
Jones put it all out there last night. Clearly not a high ceiling  
chick310 : 9/27/2022 8:41 am : link
guy but he had a lot of heart trying to keep things going on those drives with so little help.

Not sure why no one can catch his passes on this team. Other than the obvious answer that they suck.

RE: I would like to see game tape  
Costy16 : 9/27/2022 8:42 am : link
In comment 15833787 Amc825 said:
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So I could see how much separation the WR’s where getting downfield. Jones might of missed open receivers, been late of timing passes etc. we don’t know from watching the game because of the TV broadcast shows QB and online play only.


I lost track of how many times Jones got out of the pocket and looked for someone to get open downfield and ended up keeping the ball.
Jones played a really good game last night  
Metnut : 9/27/2022 8:44 am : link
Despite being in a near impossible situation, the Giants regularly moved the ball and Jones found a way to make the offense work. A few penalties killed some big plays too.

IMO, just accept that Jones played a good game last night. You can admit that Jones played a good game without wanting to sign him to a long-term extension or franchise him. Every game doesn't have to be a referendum on his future with the Giants. There's still 14 games left. Plenty of snaps and data yet to come.
Wan’dale  
igotyourbackman : 9/27/2022 8:44 am : link
Let’s see what we can do when we get him and Toney actually on the field.
Jones played a good game  
JonC : 9/27/2022 8:47 am : link
not very good or better, but good all things considered. Showed a lot of heart and moxy and was clearly giving it his all, despite the poor play around him.

Giants youth showed up last night, they got handled and schooled often by a faster, more seasoned team that clearly had more juice.
RE: Wan’dale  
5BowlsSoon : 9/27/2022 8:56 am : link
In comment 15834247 igotyourbackman said:
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Let’s see what we can do when we get him and Toney actually on the field.


Why do I have my doubts we will ever see both WanDale and Toney on the field together at the same time….ever!
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BrettNYG10 : 9/27/2022 9:14 am : link
Jones played well and his teammates cost him: there were two penalties (one bullshit) each costing us big yardage, a bunch of drops, and the line was terrible. And then we had a guy fall on the INT.

I still see the warts but thought he was well. He is certainly capable of playing good games.

I'd add, people blame Jones' supporting cast for his inability to produce. But it is almost never this bad. I'm happy to use it as an excuse last night but think using it every week is bullshit.
RE: RE: Wan’dale  
jeff57 : 9/27/2022 11:26 am : link
In comment 15834273 5BowlsSoon said:
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Let’s see what we can do when we get him and Toney actually on the field.



Why do I have my doubts we will ever see both WanDale and Toney on the field together at the same time….ever!


Have they ever been seen together? Maybe they’re the same person
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