I've been a major Jones critic, I don't think he's our future and I've been super hard on him, but I thought he played a really solid game tonight all things considered.
The line simply didn't protect; he was under duress almost all night long. He has no quality pass catchers to throw the ball to... Golladay isn't even trying, Shep is hurt again, Toney can't get on the field... Richie James, David Sills, Daniel Bellinger.. I mean, who is succeeding with targets like this?
He made the correct decisions with the football pretty regularly. He was fortunate Diggs didn't pluck that pass to Shepard down the left sideline, but I felt like he knew when to hold it, when to take off running, and when to just give the play up. He's just hard to evaluate because I don't see how any non-elite QB is making plays in his situation. Who wins football games with skill players this bad?
It sucks, I'd like to move on and find a better option after this year but it's fair to point out that right now, he's in a position where it's going to be very hard to thrive.
The silver lining for me is that I think we finally have the right coaches and GM in place to make the tough decisions that'll need to be made. We are a much better-coached team now, we just need the horses to make the plays necessary to win more football games.
Rush wasn't sacked once. Jones was sacked 5 times and had Lawrence/Parsons on his back within 2 seconds on more than half of his drop backs.
Jones also didn't have Ceedee Lamb running routes.
In what universe did he not perform well tonight !
Jones did play well tonight. He kept his eyes down field, extended plays and got some bad luck with drops.
This issue remains the same. Points. If you want to blame lack of WR’s that is fair. Frustrating considering all the resources spent at that position.
Could you perhaps sense a slight difference in quality between Rush’s offensive line and receiving corp versus ours?
I thought the play call was really good for what they are working with.
Jones made a ton of plays and moved around the pocket and made good passes on the run.
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WR’s made some bad drops. However, as usual this offense doesn’t produce enough. There just is not enough points.
Brandon Brown saw first hand the difference from Wentz to Hurts. Hurts produces. Wentz was beat down by a bad Philly OL.
No doubt, and I think Wentz mostly sucks... but Jalen has AJ Brown now, and Devonta Smith. His top WR pair is *so* much better than what Jones has.
It’s not even the same planet. Dude has about as big a delta you can get for pass pro OL and his top 3 receiving threats are better than our best.
Would be great but knowing him, he wants to get paid and play for a good team. I don't think we could afford him
So would I. 100%. I think he's a different guy now and this staff could handle him.
For all his warts, Beckham loves football and wants to win. I'd love to have him back.
I still think Jones starts for Atlanta or Indy next year and takes them to the playoffs.
You look at games like this and think he could thrive behind a real OL with a real WR corps. If this was the first time I ever watched him I'd think this guy mad sound decisions and didn't really leave any yards on the field. He looked competent. He made a couple of nice confident throws into tight spots. He stay poised under incredible pressure. There were things to like.
But tonight he had virtually impossible conditions and did the thing we've asked him to do. Not look at the pressure and keep his eyes down field. He played well tonight. Not expecting it to change anything but he played as well as you could tonight.
This is the one thing I can't stand. You are a professional NFL QB, you get what you get. No one deserves a better team, he's not St. Daniel, he's not some all time great saddled with bad teams for an entire career. This is a sentiment I cannot understand
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Good, but was it really good?
That’s a disappointing comment from you. Given what he faced? Really?
Lol I'm just joking about the nearly identically titled thread on the board right now.
Didn’t think it sounded like you. My bad.
He had no time. Outside of Andrew Thomas the entire OL is dog shit. When he did have time he didn't look comfortable and just took too long to pull the trigger.
Don't remember a single deep shot
Wow, just wow.
He had no time. Outside of Andrew Thomas the entire OL is dog shit. When he did have time he didn't look comfortable and just took too long to pull the trigger.
Don't remember a single deep shot
pull the trigger to whom exactly? one of our bum WRs with no separation into a tight window that could turn into an INT so you could then say "why is he throwing the ball into such tight windows, just throw it away"?
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And the criticism directed towards him, made me realize a lot about the prism in which his critics view him
In what universe did he not perform well tonight !
Jones did play well tonight. He kept his eyes down field, extended plays and got some bad luck with drops.
This issue remains the same. Points. If you want to blame lack of WR’s that is fair. Frustrating considering all the resources spent at that position.
He was really great with this. It was his best pocket awareness game I've seen him play. (Maybe self preservation lol) But the flip side is our only time in the endzone was another amazing run by Barkley. He has to get us into the endzone, he has to make more big plays, even against a good defense.
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Given. The kid is a gamer. I hope he has a solid year. Let the chips fall from there.
This is the one thing I can't stand. You are a professional NFL QB, you get what you get. No one deserves a better team, he's not St. Daniel, he's not some all time great saddled with bad teams for an entire career. This is a sentiment I cannot understand
What can’t you understand? It’s not a matter of Jones deserving a better supporting cast, but football is a team sport. The players surrounding any QB have a profound influence of the QBs performance.
No one is saying Jones is great (or a saint). We are just pointing out that his supporting cast has been among the worst in the league his whole career. Is it ok to at least acknowledge that the lack of talent hasn’t helped his performance or development? It’s a fact.
Daniel Jones is a millionaire in his early 20's playing a game for a living. I'm not exactly sure what makes you or anyone think he "deserves" better but I personally think that kind of language is reserved for people who have suffered more than bad surrounding talent on a football team. And yes, it is confusing, when you talk about the word deserve you'd think he had some achievements or divinely special things about him to have him be so deserving of these better conditions. I think it's pretty nutty the way some of you think about him
Daniel Jones is a millionaire in his early 20's playing a game for a living. I'm not exactly sure what makes you or anyone think he "deserves" better but I personally think that kind of language is reserved for people who have suffered more than bad surrounding talent on a football team. And yes, it is confusing, when you talk about the word deserve you'd think he had some achievements or divinely special things about him to have him be so deserving of these better conditions. I think it's pretty nutty the way some of you think about him
Are you really this dumb? We are talking about Jones deserving better football players around him because he has never had that. No one is comparing this to social work but you
It was the same Jones with some scrambling for yards: a lot of short passes, no movement inside the 30, the Td on a long Barkley run and lots of the typical rationalizations that have dogged Jones since he was a starter at Duke and his tenure here under 3 administrations - the receivers are no good, the o line doesn’t give him enough time, the game plan was bad. Well, he’s been the common element-not terrible, but nothing to write home about even when he supposedly played well.
Because you are too blind and stupid to see he was under a lot more pressure than Rush doesn't mean we have to be.
Who thought we could tie it? Definitely not anybody on our Oline or WRs. But did you think the defense would give up back to back TD drives after we went ahead by a TD?
They can’t separate. Dallas defense was not concerned at all about defending them because there is no threat
It is almost impossible to score points with these WR while also having no time to throw
Jones was moving and looking downfield constantly. No one gets open. As much as I don’t like Slayton he has speed that does scare defenses
He may not be the answer but he is not the problem. Right now they are Jones Barkley and Thomas
Look at the difference in time to throw for him vs Rush and then how open Dallas WR are vs Giants. There is no comparison
good qbs elevate the players around them.
good qbs elevate the players around them.
You are exactly right. If Diggs makes that play, we are having a completely different conversation.
good qbs elevate the players around them.
On both plays Diggs almost intercepted, the receivers (Golladay, then Shep) never came back to the ball. They just stood there and waited for the ball to get to them. That’s a large part of how a ball gets cut off by a defender.
Tom Brady couldn’t elevate anyone he played with Sunday night. Aaron Rodgers team is averaging less points than Daniel Jones, Davis Mills, and Justin Fields’ teams. I know this is BBI, but enough with that dumb “elevating” bullshit.
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our QB is so bad that fans have to find things to compliment him about just to prove they don’t hate him as a person. and this thread wouldn’t exist if Diggs took that pick to the house, which he does 9 times out of 10 on that play.
good qbs elevate the players around them.
On both plays Diggs almost intercepted, the receivers (Golladay, then Shep) never came back to the ball. They just stood there and waited for the ball to get to them. That’s a large part of how a ball gets cut off by a defender.
Tom Brady couldn’t elevate anyone he played with Sunday night. Aaron Rodgers team is averaging less points than Daniel Jones, Davis Mills, and Justin Fields’ teams. I know this is BBI, but enough with that dumb “elevating” bullshit.
Yea you're right. Aaron Rodgers and Tom Brady never elevated anyone because a one or three game sample size told you so. QBs elevating players is a myth, and Daniel Jones is just as good as Rodgers and Brady. Got that right?
Tom Brady and Aaron Rodgers’ teams are struggling to score points too! See, it isn’t just DJ who can’t overcome a bad roster.
counterpoint:
Deion Branch
the corpse of Troy Brown
David Patten (love him, but still)
Bethel Johnson
David Givens
JJ Stokes
your 2003 Super Bowl winning WR core.
for your own sake, keep the GOAT’s name out of your mouth when talking about Daniel fucking Jones.
Tom Brady and Aaron Rodgers’ teams are struggling to score points too! See, it isn’t just DJ who can’t overcome a bad roster.
counterpoint:
Deion Branch
the corpse of Troy Brown
David Patten (love him, but still)
Bethel Johnson
David Givens
JJ Stokes
your 2003 Super Bowl winning WR core.
for your own sake, keep the GOAT’s name out of your mouth when talking about Daniel fucking Jones.
I’m not sure if you’re being intentionally obtuse or you’re just this stupid. No QB, not even Tom Brady, can elevate a complete dumpster fire of a situation. You’re naming WRs, but what about New England’s offensive line that season? Guys like Light, Woody, Andruzzi, and Koppen. What about the fact that the Pats had one of the best offensive line coaches ever in Dante Scarnecchia in 2003? And they still had Charlie Weis running the offense as well as the GoAT HC overseeing the entire operation. (BTW, the Pats allowed the fewest points in the sport that season.)
Eli Manning had a horrendous offensive line in 2011. He also had the best collection of WR talent in the franchise’s history along with a TE who played out of his mind for a season.
As we saw with Joe Burrow last season, guys can have success when one of the parts of the team is substandard or even bad. But no one has success when the receivers stink AND the offensive line is a mess. There’s no elevating a situation like that. Only on BBI do people believe that’s happening.
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people living in profound poverty or worse deserve better more equal lives. My sister is a social worker and I heard a long story tonight about someone sold into sex trafficking when she was 2.
Daniel Jones is a millionaire in his early 20's playing a game for a living. I'm not exactly sure what makes you or anyone think he "deserves" better but I personally think that kind of language is reserved for people who have suffered more than bad surrounding talent on a football team. And yes, it is confusing, when you talk about the word deserve you'd think he had some achievements or divinely special things about him to have him be so deserving of these better conditions. I think it's pretty nutty the way some of you think about him
Are you really this dumb? We are talking about Jones deserving better football players around him because he has never had that. No one is comparing this to social work but you
No I'm making a clear point about the word deserve. And you'd have to say what exactly makes Jones so deserving of better conditions? Being a swell guy and a hard worker isn't exactly that, it's not dumb. It's dumb to suggest someone with so much privilege "deserves" anything better than they have
Not sure why no one can catch his passes on this team. Other than the obvious answer that they suck.
I lost track of how many times Jones got out of the pocket and looked for someone to get open downfield and ended up keeping the ball.
IMO, just accept that Jones played a good game last night. You can admit that Jones played a good game without wanting to sign him to a long-term extension or franchise him. Every game doesn't have to be a referendum on his future with the Giants. There's still 14 games left. Plenty of snaps and data yet to come.
Giants youth showed up last night, they got handled and schooled often by a faster, more seasoned team that clearly had more juice.
Why do I have my doubts we will ever see both WanDale and Toney on the field together at the same time….ever!
I still see the warts but thought he was well. He is certainly capable of playing good games.
I'd add, people blame Jones' supporting cast for his inability to produce. But it is almost never this bad. I'm happy to use it as an excuse last night but think using it every week is bullshit.
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Let’s see what we can do when we get him and Toney actually on the field.
Why do I have my doubts we will ever see both WanDale and Toney on the field together at the same time….ever!
Have they ever been seen together? Maybe they’re the same person