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I Thought Daniel Jones Played a Good Game...

arcarsenal : 9/26/2022 11:45 pm
I've been a major Jones critic, I don't think he's our future and I've been super hard on him, but I thought he played a really solid game tonight all things considered.

The line simply didn't protect; he was under duress almost all night long. He has no quality pass catchers to throw the ball to... Golladay isn't even trying, Shep is hurt again, Toney can't get on the field... Richie James, David Sills, Daniel Bellinger.. I mean, who is succeeding with targets like this?

He made the correct decisions with the football pretty regularly. He was fortunate Diggs didn't pluck that pass to Shepard down the left sideline, but I felt like he knew when to hold it, when to take off running, and when to just give the play up. He's just hard to evaluate because I don't see how any non-elite QB is making plays in his situation. Who wins football games with skill players this bad?

It sucks, I'd like to move on and find a better option after this year but it's fair to point out that right now, he's in a position where it's going to be very hard to thrive.

The silver lining for me is that I think we finally have the right coaches and GM in place to make the tough decisions that'll need to be made. We are a much better-coached team now, we just need the horses to make the plays necessary to win more football games.
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He did  
BillT : 9/26/2022 11:46 pm : link
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He played well…  
Chris in Philly : 9/26/2022 11:47 pm : link
and asked to sense pressure much better than in the past. Nobody can succeed when playing with that pass “blocking” and those receivers.
good take.  
guitarguybs12 : 9/26/2022 11:47 pm : link
happy to post here before the shitstorm starts.
Great post arc  
eric2425ny : 9/26/2022 11:47 pm : link
Totally agree. I mean it’s like the JV team out there at WR right now.
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broadbandz : 9/26/2022 11:48 pm : link
he's going to have improve like that every game if he wants to stay a starter.

I still think Jones starts for Atlanta or Indy next year and takes them to the playoffs.
I agree  
terptacular : 9/26/2022 11:48 pm : link
Its tough to evaluate the kid on games like this. Its hard to say he's the answer, but I also can't really say you couldn't win with a solid team around him.
Agree  
ZoneXDOA : 9/26/2022 11:48 pm : link
I 00%
agreed , arc  
islander1 : 9/26/2022 11:48 pm : link
there wasn't much more Rodgers could do with the steaming pile of shit he would've had surrounding him.
 
christian : 9/26/2022 11:49 pm : link
Good, but was it really good?
The reasonable take  
SimpleMan : 9/26/2022 11:50 pm : link
It doesnt have to be one extreme or the other. My only gripe was that he never seems to sense the rush closing in when he is in the pocket.
I agree  
M.S. : 9/26/2022 11:50 pm : link

And the Giants look like a 5-win team. Maybe.
Agree, but more concerned with what we didn’t see  
V.I.G. : 9/26/2022 11:50 pm : link
Everything we saw, I thought was great given the circumstances.

I just didn’t see him shift protections or call a single audible. I’m not sure if the coaches allow him to, but I feel like that could have been the difference tonight.
What was he sacked?  
David B. : 9/26/2022 11:51 pm : link
7 times? Awful protection. Running for his life on every drop back. Awful receiver play.

Hard to be good under those conditions.

He was smart and didn't make the big mistake, and it still doesn't matter. Only plays he can make seem to be with his legs.
RE: The reasonable take  
PatersonPlank : 9/26/2022 11:51 pm : link
In comment 15833652 SimpleMan said:
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It doesnt have to be one extreme or the other. My only gripe was that he never seems to sense the rush closing in when he is in the pocket.


I thought he was sensing it well, and was doing a really good job moving around and buying time. A lot of QBs would have taken a lot more sacks under that pressure
RE: …  
BillT : 9/26/2022 11:52 pm : link
In comment 15833648 christian said:
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Good, but was it really good?

That’s a disappointing comment from you. Given what he faced? Really?
He played well and used his legs well  
Sean : 9/26/2022 11:53 pm : link
WR’s made some bad drops. However, as usual this offense doesn’t produce enough. There just is not enough points.

Brandon Brown saw first hand the difference from Wentz to Hurts. Hurts produces. Wentz was beat down by a bad Philly OL.
RE: …  
arcarsenal : 9/26/2022 11:53 pm : link
In comment 15833648 christian said:
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Good, but was it really good?


Really good? Probably wouldn't go that far. I think it's just that I can't think of many QB's who have worse casts right now. He's in a really rough spot.

Russell Wilson and the Bronco offense have been horrible so far and he's throwing to Courtland Sutton, Jerry Jeudy, and he's got a pair of good RB's.

At this point, I'm just looking at Jones from play to play and trying to decipher if he's making the right decisions, maturing, learning, etc... and I do actually see some of that from him. I still think we ultimately need to do better @ QB but I'm starting to feel like Daboll & Kafka might be able to get a little more out of Daniel.

Tonight wasn't his fault.
I agree. He played well under the bad circumstances.  
Mike from Ohio : 9/26/2022 11:53 pm : link
I give him a ton of props for toughness and effort. I hope he succeeds somewhere.

Having said that, I don’t want to see him under center for the Giants after this season. He is not part of the turnaround that has started.
RE: I agree  
BillT : 9/26/2022 11:53 pm : link
In comment 15833653 M.S. said:
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And the Giants look like a 5-win team. Maybe.

We have a decent chance to be 3-1 after next week and you see 5 wins against schedule. Pretty hot take.
Agreed.  
AcidTest : 9/26/2022 11:53 pm : link
I thought he was excellent. His toughness has never been a question, but tonight, despite relentless pressure, he made good decisions with the ball.
I agree  
Coopcomic : 9/26/2022 11:54 pm : link
I'd like to see a ball with some air under it to see a receiver battle for the ball. Don't know if we even have that. Without Jones running there's no shot in this game. He's tough. He has heart and he made that incredible throw. The BBI world is so ready to toss him and it's just assumed we're going to get a top 5 QB, no problem. I still want to see a competent offensive line and skill players besides Saquon (Bellinger might develop, I hope).
RE: He played well and used his legs well  
arcarsenal : 9/26/2022 11:55 pm : link
In comment 15833678 Sean said:
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WR’s made some bad drops. However, as usual this offense doesn’t produce enough. There just is not enough points.

Brandon Brown saw first hand the difference from Wentz to Hurts. Hurts produces. Wentz was beat down by a bad Philly OL.


No doubt, and I think Wentz mostly sucks... but Jalen has AJ Brown now, and Devonta Smith. His top WR pair is *so* much better than what Jones has.
RE: I agree. He played well under the bad circumstances.  
Thunderstruck27 : 9/26/2022 11:55 pm : link
In comment 15833683 Mike from Ohio said:
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I give him a ton of props for toughness and effort. I hope he succeeds somewhere.

Having said that, I don’t want to see him under center for the Giants after this season. He is not part of the turnaround that has started.


Only 15 more weeks and I don't have to read that you don't want him next season. I think it's clear.
RE: He played well…  
nochance : 9/26/2022 11:57 pm : link
In comment 15833622 Chris in Philly said:
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and asked to sense pressure much better than in the past. Nobody can succeed when playing with that pass “blocking” and those receivers.



The receivers out there tonight are practice squad caliber. Bellinger I think could be a good TE but the wideouts get no separation
Reading over the game thread  
joeinpa : 9/26/2022 11:57 pm : link
And the criticism directed towards him, made me realize a lot about the prism in which his critics view him

In what universe did he not perform well tonight !

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christian : 9/26/2022 11:57 pm : link
In comment 15833667 BillT said:
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In comment 15833648 christian said:


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Good, but was it really good?


That’s a disappointing comment from you. Given what he faced? Really?


Lol I'm just joking about the nearly identically titled thread on the board right now.
No  
Thegratefulhead : 9/26/2022 11:57 pm : link
He did not play well. He was outplayed by Rush.
RE: RE: I agree. He played well under the bad circumstances.  
Mike from Ohio : 9/26/2022 11:58 pm : link
In comment 15833701 Thunderstruck27 said:
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In comment 15833683 Mike from Ohio said:


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I give him a ton of props for toughness and effort. I hope he succeeds somewhere.

Having said that, I don’t want to see him under center for the Giants after this season. He is not part of the turnaround that has started.



Only 15 more weeks and I don't have to read that you don't want him next season. I think it's clear.


Sorry, didn’t know only some people got to post opinions here.

Please share your unique and insightful perspective…
If the higher ups dont feel he is?  
Carl in CT : 9/26/2022 11:59 pm : link
Well get ready for 5 years of shit do to the lack of roster talent and starting over at the qb position. Remember when he was hurt we couldn’t win a game. If this kid just had one wR who could do anything we would be all set.
RE: No  
arcarsenal : 9/27/2022 12:00 am : link
In comment 15833714 Thegratefulhead said:
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He did not play well. He was outplayed by Rush.


Rush wasn't sacked once. Jones was sacked 5 times and had Lawrence/Parsons on his back within 2 seconds on more than half of his drop backs.

Jones also didn't have Ceedee Lamb running routes.
RE: Reading over the game thread  
Sean : 9/27/2022 12:01 am : link
In comment 15833712 joeinpa said:
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And the criticism directed towards him, made me realize a lot about the prism in which his critics view him

In what universe did he not perform well tonight !

Jones did play well tonight. He kept his eyes down field, extended plays and got some bad luck with drops.

This issue remains the same. Points. If you want to blame lack of WR’s that is fair. Frustrating considering all the resources spent at that position.
DJ deserves better than the hand he’s been  
RELICDOA : 9/27/2022 12:01 am : link
Given. The kid is a gamer. I hope he has a solid year. Let the chips fall from there.
I’d seriously consider signing Beckham  
Sean : 9/27/2022 12:02 am : link
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RE: No  
Chris in Philly : 9/27/2022 12:02 am : link
In comment 15833714 Thegratefulhead said:
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He did not play well. He was outplayed by Rush.


Could you perhaps sense a slight difference in quality between Rush’s offensive line and receiving corp versus ours?
With Shep now done  
larryflower37 : 9/27/2022 12:04 am : link
And no cap room at all it will only get worse from here.
I thought the play call was really good for what they are working with.

Jones made a ton of plays and moved around the pocket and made good passes on the run.
RE: RE: He played well and used his legs well  
Returning Video Tapes : 9/27/2022 12:04 am : link
In comment 15833698 arcarsenal said:
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In comment 15833678 Sean said:


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WR’s made some bad drops. However, as usual this offense doesn’t produce enough. There just is not enough points.

Brandon Brown saw first hand the difference from Wentz to Hurts. Hurts produces. Wentz was beat down by a bad Philly OL.



No doubt, and I think Wentz mostly sucks... but Jalen has AJ Brown now, and Devonta Smith. His top WR pair is *so* much better than what Jones has.


It’s not even the same planet. Dude has about as big a delta you can get for pass pro OL and his top 3 receiving threats are better than our best.
I agree with everything right down to being a Jones  
NoGainDayne : 9/27/2022 12:04 am : link
critic. These were pretty close to my exact thoughts after the game.
RE: I’d seriously consider signing Beckham  
Thunderstruck27 : 9/27/2022 12:04 am : link
In comment 15833740 Sean said:
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Would be great but knowing him, he wants to get paid and play for a good team. I don't think we could afford him
RE: I’d seriously consider signing Beckham  
arcarsenal : 9/27/2022 12:05 am : link
In comment 15833740 Sean said:
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So would I. 100%. I think he's a different guy now and this staff could handle him.

For all his warts, Beckham loves football and wants to win. I'd love to have him back.
RE: ...  
Red Right Hand : 9/27/2022 12:05 am : link
In comment 15833631 broadbandz said:
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he's going to have improve like that every game if he wants to stay a starter.

I still think Jones starts for Atlanta or Indy next year and takes them to the playoffs.
If I'm some coach with a decent O line or WR corps and no QB, I'm licking my chops thinking i can get this guy cheap next year and have him hold fort for a couple of years.

You look at games like this and think he could thrive behind a real OL with a real WR corps. If this was the first time I ever watched him I'd think this guy mad sound decisions and didn't really leave any yards on the field. He looked competent. He made a couple of nice confident throws into tight spots. He stay poised under incredible pressure. There were things to like.
He's got absolutely nothing to work with.  
mittenedman : 9/27/2022 12:06 am : link
These WRs are like throwing sheep into the wolf den. Somehow, again, the Giants have the worst WR group in the league.
Same.  
Andy in Halifax : 9/27/2022 12:06 am : link
I've always landed on "not great, not terrible. Good." Not part of our future most likely unless Dabol can ressurect him. I'm not holding my breath but he does have a few tools.

But tonight he had virtually impossible conditions and did the thing we've asked him to do. Not look at the pressure and keep his eyes down field. He played well tonight. Not expecting it to change anything but he played as well as you could tonight.
RE: DJ deserves better than the hand he’s been  
NoGainDayne : 9/27/2022 12:07 am : link
In comment 15833737 RELICDOA said:
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Given. The kid is a gamer. I hope he has a solid year. Let the chips fall from there.


This is the one thing I can't stand. You are a professional NFL QB, you get what you get. No one deserves a better team, he's not St. Daniel, he's not some all time great saddled with bad teams for an entire career. This is a sentiment I cannot understand
RE: RE: RE: …  
BillT : 9/27/2022 12:08 am : link
In comment 15833713 christian said:
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In comment 15833667 BillT said:


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In comment 15833648 christian said:


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Good, but was it really good?


That’s a disappointing comment from you. Given what he faced? Really?



Lol I'm just joking about the nearly identically titled thread on the board right now.

Didn’t think it sounded like you. My bad.
He held the ball too long consistently  
90.Cal : 9/27/2022 12:08 am : link
& was consistently late to throw it when he did find an open man.

He had no time. Outside of Andrew Thomas the entire OL is dog shit. When he did have time he didn't look comfortable and just took too long to pull the trigger.

Don't remember a single deep shot
RE: No  
BillT : 9/27/2022 12:09 am : link
In comment 15833714 Thegratefulhead said:
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He did not play well. He was outplayed by Rush.

Wow, just wow.
I would like to see game tape  
Amc825 : 9/27/2022 12:09 am : link
So I could see how much separation the WR’s where getting downfield. Jones might of missed open receivers, been late of timing passes etc. we don’t know from watching the game because of the TV broadcast shows QB and online play only.
Daboll is going to see a lot of positives.....  
MOOPS : 9/27/2022 12:10 am : link
in Jones' play tonight.
I will tell you though he was buying a lot of time back there  
PatersonPlank : 9/27/2022 12:11 am : link
moving around in the pocket to extend the plays. That is a very good thing. He had mobility, awareness, etc. I think we'll find the WRs just suck
He looked good.  
St. Jimmy : 9/27/2022 12:12 am : link
I wouldn't bet my career on him if I were Schoen or Daboll but that is just me.
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