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OL coach Bobby Johnson- was the coronation

Bill in UT : 9/27/2022 12:33 am
too soon? Tons of praised heeped on him this past preseason, but this OL still sucks. Is it just the chicken salad/chicken shit deal regardless of who the coach is? I didn't expect these guys to be great, but I did expect adequate. We have quite a ways to go to reach that, it seems. Neal is just awful against speed rushers, and for a group said to be better as run blockers, there are hardly any holes since week 1. Did we end up with about 18 pressures on Jones tonight?
Good  
BigBlueinDE : 9/27/2022 12:34 am : link
grief!
his lines have been average at best his whole career  
guitarguybs12 : 9/27/2022 12:36 am : link
so I had no faith he'd be able to work magic with this line.
Again  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 9/27/2022 12:38 am : link
we started over from scratch.
Interior line  
Mdgiantsfan : 9/27/2022 12:48 am : link
it’s o t just Neal but the Guardsand Center leave a lot to be desired.
Crazy Post by the OP  
giantstock : 9/27/2022 12:55 am : link
SO because he had lunatic expectations it means then they all suck? How about the OP just was a complete nut with his early season expectations?

I guess he didn't read any of Sy's analysis.
RE: Again  
M.S. : 9/27/2022 12:56 am : link
In comment 15833899 Eric from BBI said:
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we started over from scratch.

Looks like we need another start over.
RE: RE: Again  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 9/27/2022 12:58 am : link
In comment 15833934 M.S. said:
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In comment 15833899 Eric from BBI said:


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we started over from scratch.


Looks like we need another start over.


MS... you've never understood the process. If you listened to guys like Sy and me, we told you it would be a learning year for Neal. Losing Lemieux also set the lien back.

It's not what the line looks like now, but what it looks like in December.
It is Neal's 3rd professional game  
moespree : 9/27/2022 1:01 am : link
And he went against a top tier line. Maybe the best he'll face all season.

I don't know what the your expectation was for the rest of the line, but it couldn't have been high. Thomas though was good again as usual. He's definitely the best pick Gettleman made.
RE: RE: RE: Again  
M.S. : 9/27/2022 1:02 am : link
In comment 15833940 Eric from BBI said:
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In comment 15833899 Eric from BBI said:


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we started over from scratch.


Looks like we need another start over.



MS... you've never understood the process. If you listened to guys like Sy and me, we told you it would be a learning year for Neal. Losing Lemieux also set the lien back.

It's not what the line looks like now, but what it looks like in December.

It’s not just Evan Neal, who was horrific this evening. The middle of our line was pierced often. Not good.
RE: Crazy Post by the OP  
Bill in UT : 9/27/2022 1:04 am : link
In comment 15833932 giantstock said:
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SO because he had lunatic expectations it means then they all suck? How about the OP just was a complete nut with his early season expectations?

I guess he didn't read any of Sy's analysis.


Thomas came back with a healthy ankle, and we upgraded center, RG and RT, supposedly. So my expectation of adequate was lunacy/nuts? Lordy. I'm such a pie in the sky guy
RE: RE: Crazy Post by the OP  
M.S. : 9/27/2022 1:06 am : link
In comment 15833949 Bill in UT said:
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In comment 15833932 giantstock said:


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SO because he had lunatic expectations it means then they all suck? How about the OP just was a complete nut with his early season expectations?

I guess he didn't read any of Sy's analysis.



Thomas came back with a healthy ankle, and we upgraded center, RG and RT, supposedly. So my expectation of adequate was lunacy/nuts? Lordy. I'm such a pie in the sky guy

Increasingly, our Center and Right Guard don’t look like much of an upgrade.
RE: RE: RE: Again  
giantstock : 9/27/2022 1:21 am : link
In comment 15833940 Eric from BBI said:
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In comment 15833899 Eric from BBI said:


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we started over from scratch.


Looks like we need another start over.



MS... you've never understood the process. If you listened to guys like Sy and me, we told you it would be a learning year for Neal. Losing Lemieux also set the lien back.

It's not what the line looks like now, but what it looks like in December.


Wow-- how many dumb posts are we going to have to read from the nutjobs tonight??

Wow.
RE: It is Neal's 3rd professional game  
allstarjim : 9/27/2022 1:21 am : link
In comment 15833946 moespree said:
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And he went against a top tier line. Maybe the best he'll face all season.

I don't know what the your expectation was for the rest of the line, but it couldn't have been high. Thomas though was good again as usual. He's definitely the best pick Gettleman made.


This. I maintain Neal is going to be a very good player for the Giants for a long time.
RE: It is Neal's 3rd professional game  
Mdgiantsfan : 9/27/2022 1:24 am : link
In comment 15833946 moespree said:
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And he went against a top tier line. Maybe the best he'll face all season.

I don't know what the your expectation was for the rest of the line, but it couldn't have been high. Thomas though was good again as usual. He's definitely the best pick Gettleman made.


I get that he’s a rookie but dang it looked like Lawrence wasn’t doing much in his rushes. Swipe the hands and beat him easily around the edge. That’s very alarming.
RE: RE: Crazy Post by the OP  
giantstock : 9/27/2022 1:26 am : link
In comment 15833949 Bill in UT said:
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In comment 15833932 giantstock said:


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SO because he had lunatic expectations it means then they all suck? How about the OP just was a complete nut with his early season expectations?

I guess he didn't read any of Sy's analysis.



Thomas came back with a healthy ankle, and we upgraded center, RG and RT, supposedly. So my expectation of adequate was lunacy/nuts? Lordy. I'm such a pie in the sky guy


What did you think the center and two guards were going to be?????

Did you watch any football last year???? They had according to PFF the3oth ranked OL. SO what this OL was thought ti be better. NONE of the interior OL is thought ot be much at all.

Just because they are better than 30th doesn't t mean they are decent.

And how many times has SY mentioned that Neal was going to struggle a of of this year?

Did you even read a thing he said??????????????
Neal was lunging way too much....needs to improve balance  
George from PA : 9/27/2022 4:58 am : link
By no means do we give up on him.....but no doubt he had a rough night

Compound that with zero pressure from our guys.....painful night.
I'm not ready to give up on Neal and won't be for a while, but I'm not  
Ira : 9/27/2022 5:51 am : link
so sure he's going to be the long run answer either. IMO, the jury is still out on Neal.
You guys do this to yourselvs  
Ten Ton Hammer : 9/27/2022 6:00 am : link
Get all hyped up that a rookie pick is gonna fix it, or this coach had a great quote and he's gonna fix it, and when it's not a smooth ride, you wonder if the praise was 'too soon'.

It was never going to be instant gratification.
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SFGFNCGiantsFan : 9/27/2022 6:06 am : link
In fairness to Neal, Parsons is UFB.
Not only are we “starting over from scratch” as Eric said  
BillT : 9/27/2022 6:53 am : link
But we’re also missing two starters.
Nobody is giving up on Neal.  
Giant John : 9/27/2022 7:34 am : link
It takes time but people do want to see some progress. He has played against 3 tough lines. That’s what happens in the NFL.
Maybe it was too early to bring back our two young edge guys? I would think with the famous first step he would get by some people some of the time?
Like I said takes time. In the meantime Joe try to find a receiver that can play and wants to play football?
I honestly didn’t think the issue was coaching as much  
mfsd : 9/27/2022 7:37 am : link
For the most part guys seemed to be in the right place and knew who to block. We just got our asses kicked physically up front. OL, TE and RBs

Neal had a brutal intro to prime time. It took Thomas half a season for the light to go on, hopefully Neal starts improving with experience too
Would Neal be better at left guard?  
kelly : 9/27/2022 7:49 am : link
Could he be our version of Larry Allen?

Patience  
Giantimistic : 9/27/2022 8:07 am : link
We have talent on the oline. This isn't the same as before where we had very little talent and poor performance. There was no where to go up. It was what it was.

We actually have talent that needs NFL game experience.

Even once the talent is there, olines take time to gel with each other plus this is a new coaching staff with a new scheme.

Lets talk in week 6 and see how things are.



I mentioned last night  
Lines of Scrimmage : 9/27/2022 8:39 am : link
some were getting over excited from one preseason game about him and our OL.

I was not a big fan of the BD/JS hire and bringing in the Buffalo perimeter offense which really is mostly about Allen and Diggs. In the NFCE you better bring physicality on offense. All the franchises in the East invest significantly in their fronts.

BD/JS need to adjust and recognize this. This doesn't mean Johnson can't be a part of the future but as a group they need to address the OL if they want to see real results.
RE: I mentioned last night  
Giantimistic : 9/27/2022 8:44 am : link
In comment 15834233 Lines of Scrimmage said:
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some were getting over excited from one preseason game about him and our OL.

I was not a big fan of the BD/JS hire and bringing in the Buffalo perimeter offense which really is mostly about Allen and Diggs. In the NFCE you better bring physicality on offense. All the franchises in the East invest significantly in their fronts.

BD/JS need to adjust and recognize this. This doesn't mean Johnson can't be a part of the future but as a group they need to address the OL if they want to see real results.


To this point, I actually think we should bring in Ezudu at guard, move Brendenson to center, and run some more power football.
RE: Not only are we “starting over from scratch” as Eric said  
eli4life : 9/27/2022 8:52 am : link
In comment 15834072 BillT said:
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But we’re also missing two starters.


And two starters that are more of a stop gap than answers. Neal will be fine he’s definitely getting some lessons oof. Those giving up on him already obviously don’t remember Thomas’s first few games
RE: RE: I mentioned last night  
Lines of Scrimmage : 9/27/2022 9:25 am : link
In comment 15834246 Giantimistic said:
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In comment 15834233 Lines of Scrimmage said:


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some were getting over excited from one preseason game about him and our OL.

I was not a big fan of the BD/JS hire and bringing in the Buffalo perimeter offense which really is mostly about Allen and Diggs. In the NFCE you better bring physicality on offense. All the franchises in the East invest significantly in their fronts.

BD/JS need to adjust and recognize this. This doesn't mean Johnson can't be a part of the future but as a group they need to address the OL if they want to see real results.



To this point, I actually think we should bring in Ezudu at guard, move Brendenson to center, and run some more power football.


Mack Brown thought he would be a great center. He said they thought of putting in at that spot and what held it up was his language issue that has been resolved. Something to consider going into next year. They still need to add more OL next draft and every year.

I agree they need to have a power element to the offense. BD needs to adjust his scheme in the NFCE. Buffalo had a big problem that still exists today. They couldn't and can't run between the tackles. He needs to be able to here.
for those of you wanting Neal at guard  
gidiefor : Mod : 9/27/2022 9:41 am : link
yeesh!

The guy is a rookie Tackle - playing next to a so-so guard. There are going to be lots of growing pains all season with him. He will improve - but he also belongs at Tackle. There is also no other player on the team that would be a better solution at Right Tackle right now.
and also Bredeson at center would be worse than Feliciano  
gidiefor : Mod : 9/27/2022 9:43 am : link
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This line, amazingly so, is actually marginally better  
Simms11 : 9/27/2022 11:12 am : link
then last years, which included Solder at RT, Price at Center and Hernandez at RG. Not going to get much offense out of a below average Oline and WR corps. Our offense right now is Barkley and Jones running the ball. I’d also add that the TEs were really not much help last night either. We haven’t had a good blocking TE since the Black Unicorn. Anyway, it’s going to be a work in progress and hopefully Neal improves throughout the year. He seems to stop moving his feet in Pass Pro and loses his technique. He still looks like he’s thinking too much. We remember that Thomas looked the same as a rookie and has become one of the top 5 Tackles in the league! Neal appears to have the desire and he will get better. My concern is at the interior Oline positions. Maybe Lemieux can help, but he too was poor in Pass Pro IIRC. He’s definitely got moxy though and that will help in the running game.
Bredeson and Feliciano are not good.  
Ten Ton Hammer : 9/27/2022 11:18 am : link
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I always expected Neal to struggle just like Thomas did  
widmerseyebrow : 9/27/2022 11:20 am : link
his rookie year. Just get used to it with him, and no, I don't think his backup is better.
RE: Nobody is giving up on Neal.  
giantstock : 9/27/2022 12:04 pm : link
In comment 15834112 Giant John said:
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It takes time but people do want to see some progress. He has played against 3 tough lines. That’s what happens in the NFL.
Maybe it was too early to bring back our two young edge guys? I would think with the famous first step he would get by some people some of the time?
Like I said takes time. In the meantime Joe try to find a receiver that can play and wants to play football?


Progress? So when SY says he is going to struggle this year you assume players improve in a straight line week to week?

And yes there are posters that are referring to him as a bust.
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