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A few observations from the game.

robbieballs2003 : 9/27/2022 12:42 am
1. I thought Jones played very well. There were a couple of throws you'd like to be better but the way he was moving, finding seams, and delivering the ball was one of his better games.

2. The defense the first half was getting abused in the edges. Dallas kept hitting Thibs and Ojulari with WRs and/or TEs and easily getting the edge on us leading to all the big runs.

3. Ojulari completely blew his assignment after the Barkley TD and, to me, that was the turning point of the game. That gave Dallas life. Ward came in immediately after that.

4. Speaking of Ward ... what a great job he did on the edge from what I saw. You can tell he is a vet and Thibs and Ojulari are still wet behind the ears.

5. Our specials still suck, like really bad. Nobody understands leverage and staying in their lanes. It's embarrassing.
Why is Thomas McGaughey still here?  
nym172 : 9/27/2022 12:44 am : link
Embarssing.
How did our WR do  
gfinop : 9/27/2022 12:46 am : link
sticking with Dallas backfield?

It seemed only time they could get open was throwing illegal screens.
Earlier in the game Jones would roll out after getting pressured  
robbieballs2003 : 9/27/2022 12:49 am : link
and there was nobody to throw too. People may look at some of the throws he made and say it could have been a pick six but those were some badass throws. Overall, it is clear to see we need more from the position. The drops were really bad.
he played very well for him  
Mook80 : 9/27/2022 1:05 am : link
but very well for him still isn't anywhere near good enough.

He did the best he could tonight given the cirumstances, but the best he could do simply is not good enough.
RE: he played very well for him  
Nomad Crow on the Madison : 9/27/2022 5:23 am : link
In comment 15833951 Mook80 said:
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but very well for him still isn't anywhere near good enough.

He did the best he could tonight given the cirumstances, but the best he could do simply is not good enough.


Is there any water in that glass?
RE: he played very well for him  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 9/27/2022 6:42 am : link
In comment 15833951 Mook80 said:
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but very well for him still isn't anywhere near good enough.

He did the best he could tonight given the cirumstances, but the best he could do simply is not good enough.


Weird. You say “given the circumstances”, then refuse to acknowledge just how severe they are and how that affects a QB’s play.

As I’ve said a billion times on BBI, who’re the QB’s that would succeed in a situation like last night’s? Tom Brady is missing the left side of his offensive line, plus his receivers are hurt and the Bucs have yet to score 20 points if you remove a pick 6 by their defense against the Saints. Aaron Rodgers is breaking in new receivers and was missing his starting offensive tackles for a few weeks and the Packers are averaging less PPG than the Giants and Bucs. Even the greatest QBs of all time who’re still playing exceptionally well can’t overcome bad o-line AND shitty receivers. It’s simply not possible and to expect otherwise is just foolish.
Justin Ellis was useless last  
section125 : 9/27/2022 6:57 am : link
night. They went right at him for big gains. Was constantly blown off his spot.

KT5 may as well be KT89. I have not seen him make a play in preseason or last night. Was he ever close to a sack? Even if out of shape, he should have got close a few times.

WTF defense di Wink play on the 4th and 4 with the DBs 10 yards off the ball. He handed them the 1st down

The interior of the line may be worse than last year and that is not an exaggeration.

They looked disorganized both coaches and players.

On the PI they called on Shepard, why wasn't illegal contact called on Shep's DB. He was shoving and grabbing as Shep made his cut inside? League said it was upping calls on illegal contact.
RE: RE: he played very well for him  
The Jake : 9/27/2022 7:20 am : link
In comment 15834058 shockeyisthebest8056 said:
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As I’ve said a billion times on BBI, who’re the QB’s that would succeed in a situation like last night’s? Tom Brady is missing the left side of his offensive line, plus his receivers are hurt and the Bucs have yet to score 20 points if you remove a pick 6 by their defense against the Saints. Aaron Rodgers is breaking in new receivers and was missing his starting offensive tackles for a few weeks and the Packers are averaging less PPG than the Giants and Bucs. Even the greatest QBs of all time who’re still playing exceptionally well can’t overcome bad o-line AND shitty receivers. It’s simply not possible and to expect otherwise is just foolish.


Tom Brady and Aaron Rodgers are two of the greatest QBs of all time. they have earned the benefit of the doubt. the fact that you mention their names in the same sentence as DJ is laughable.
Before the season  
Gman11 : 9/27/2022 7:29 am : link
the talk was that the offensive line and the pass rush would be better than last year.

Nope.

The offensive line has been terrible through three games now. Jones rarely has a pocket to throw from unlike the opposing QBs.

Defensively, all we heard about in the off season was about Wink's "exotic blitzes." The scheme was more important than the players. It's not getting to the QB.

Throw in injuries and retched play (looking at you, Golladay) and those first two games look more like they dodged a bullet than outplayed the opposition.
RE: RE: RE: he played very well for him  
section125 : 9/27/2022 7:31 am : link
In comment 15834097 The Jake said:
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As I’ve said a billion times on BBI, who’re the QB’s that would succeed in a situation like last night’s? Tom Brady is missing the left side of his offensive line, plus his receivers are hurt and the Bucs have yet to score 20 points if you remove a pick 6 by their defense against the Saints. Aaron Rodgers is breaking in new receivers and was missing his starting offensive tackles for a few weeks and the Packers are averaging less PPG than the Giants and Bucs. Even the greatest QBs of all time who’re still playing exceptionally well can’t overcome bad o-line AND shitty receivers. It’s simply not possible and to expect otherwise is just foolish.



Tom Brady and Aaron Rodgers are two of the greatest QBs of all time. they have earned the benefit of the doubt. the fact that you mention their names in the same sentence as DJ is laughable.


You truly are too thick to understand the point. Nobody said Jones was Brady or Rodgers. He said that as HoFers, Brady and Rodgers could not overcome what Jones had last night - no protection and WRs dropping balls - this was the big one, WRs dropping passes.

Translation (read three or four times before answering) - if Rodgers and Brady would not be able to do anything with that line and those WRs, how can a QB like Jones do anything???...
RE: RE: RE: he played very well for him  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 9/27/2022 7:33 am : link
In comment 15834097 The Jake said:
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In comment 15834058 shockeyisthebest8056 said:


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As I’ve said a billion times on BBI, who’re the QB’s that would succeed in a situation like last night’s? Tom Brady is missing the left side of his offensive line, plus his receivers are hurt and the Bucs have yet to score 20 points if you remove a pick 6 by their defense against the Saints. Aaron Rodgers is breaking in new receivers and was missing his starting offensive tackles for a few weeks and the Packers are averaging less PPG than the Giants and Bucs. Even the greatest QBs of all time who’re still playing exceptionally well can’t overcome bad o-line AND shitty receivers. It’s simply not possible and to expect otherwise is just foolish.



Tom Brady and Aaron Rodgers are two of the greatest QBs of all time. they have earned the benefit of the doubt. the fact that you mention their names in the same sentence as DJ is laughable.


Reading comprehension isn’t your friend. I’m not comparing Daniel Jones to Tom Brady and Aaron Rodgers. I’m comparing “the circumstances” that all three QBs have found themselves in at times so far this season. If two of the greatest QBs of all time have struggled given the circumstances around them, why would anyone aside from BBI idiots expect differently from Daniel Jones?
RE: Why is Thomas McGaughey still here?  
5BowlsSoon : 9/27/2022 7:44 am : link
In comment 15833913 nym172 said:
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Embarssing.


Why do I hear high praise next to his name? Have we ever blocked a punt or FG in his time here?
Yesterday was eye opening to me  
aGiantGuy : 9/27/2022 8:46 am : link
Never seen Jones perform like that under pressure since his college days. Turning point for me if he can keep that level of play.
Ojulari  
OlyWABigBlue : 9/27/2022 8:50 am : link
had a tough game, he was doing his rookie thing of crashing down and not setting the edge. He was also lost on pass recognition. Nowhere to go but up. I was surprised to Thibodeaux in coverage as much as he was.
Run defense was terrible  
JonC : 9/27/2022 8:53 am : link
as was their assignment discipline, eg getting sealed off inside too easily and not staying outside to set the edge and force the action. Ward makes it look easy, it's why he's on this team. Thibs and Ojulari stunk, both looked rusty and lost in a tornado. Leo was missed, the DL flat out stunk and it makes the job that much harder for the backend to do their jobs well.
RE: Run defense was terrible  
section125 : 9/27/2022 8:58 am : link
In comment 15834265 JonC said:
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as was their assignment discipline, eg getting sealed off inside too easily and not staying outside to set the edge and force the action. Ward makes it look easy, it's why he's on this team. Thibs and Ojulari stunk, both looked rusty and lost in a tornado. Leo was missed, the DL flat out stunk and it makes the job that much harder for the backend to do their jobs well.


I agree. Justin Ellis was dreadful. They lost contain a lot. Nobody got near Rush.
Thibs does not look at all good.
D blew the game.. OL helped Dallas more thean the Giants  
TheBlueprintNC : 9/27/2022 9:00 am : link
fact is we had the lead momentum and D couldnt get off the field with 2 of their best pass rushers on the field. End of story.
Outside of Dexter Lawrence  
OlyWABigBlue : 9/27/2022 9:03 am : link
it was a pretty poor game from the IDL. Another area where we are brutally thin at. I expect we see a lot of PS turnover in the next few weeks.
Tae Crowder was another big factor in the run defense struggles  
Greg from LI : 9/27/2022 9:11 am : link
He is such an awful tackler. At least 4 or 5 times, he met a Dallas RB close to the LOS who then easily ran through Crowder's weak attempt at tackling.
RE: Tae Crowder was another big factor in the run defense struggles  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 9/27/2022 9:14 am : link
In comment 15834299 Greg from LI said:
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He is such an awful tackler. At least 4 or 5 times, he met a Dallas RB close to the LOS who then easily ran through Crowder's weak attempt at tackling.


So you’re not a fan of him throwing a shoulder into Zeke at the goal line as opposed to trying to wrap him up? He’s a terrible player that any team with a halfway decent roster would’ve rid themselves of long ago.
RE: Tae Crowder was another big factor in the run defense struggles  
section125 : 9/27/2022 9:14 am : link
In comment 15834299 Greg from LI said:
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He is such an awful tackler. At least 4 or 5 times, he met a Dallas RB close to the LOS who then easily ran through Crowder's weak attempt at tackling.


Crowder and McFadden should have stopped Zeke's TD. McFadden slowed Zeke and Crowder tried to shoulder him down instead of wrapping up. He is not a good MLB.
RE: RE: RE: he played very well for him  
joeinpa : 9/27/2022 10:33 am : link
In comment 15834097 The Jake said:
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As I’ve said a billion times on BBI, who’re the QB’s that would succeed in a situation like last night’s? Tom Brady is missing the left side of his offensive line, plus his receivers are hurt and the Bucs have yet to score 20 points if you remove a pick 6 by their defense against the Saints. Aaron Rodgers is breaking in new receivers and was missing his starting offensive tackles for a few weeks and the Packers are averaging less PPG than the Giants and Bucs. Even the greatest QBs of all time who’re still playing exceptionally well can’t overcome bad o-line AND shitty receivers. It’s simply not possible and to expect otherwise is just foolish.



Tom Brady and Aaron Rodgers are two of the greatest QBs of all time. they have earned the benefit of the doubt. the fact that you mention their names in the same sentence as DJ is laughable.


Stating that those two guys would have struggled tonight playing with this Giants offense, which is probably true, is not equivalent to comparing Jones to either of them.

But ignoring the intended meaning of a comment and spinning it into a narrative that is easy to debunk, is not really a good way to make a point for those paying attention
The ILB play was abysmal last night  
Simms11 : 9/27/2022 11:30 am : link
as well as those trying to set the Edge, in which there was nobody, except Ward. I did see Thibs getting pressure on a few occasions and he also tipped a ball at the LoS forcing and incompletion. To say he did nothing is an exaggeration. It was his first NFL game and he too will take time to develop at this level. Can we all stop indicating that the rookies needed to be better? They’re rookies and it’s very rare for a rookie to come into the NFL, at any position, and be a Star right away. Let’s give it some time Sheesh!
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