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Joe Schoen- Tonight you scored an "F"

YANKEE28 : 9/27/2022 1:16 am
1.KAYVON THIBODEAUX- Based on tonight, I guess his 1st NFL game will be against the Bears. He was a complete non factor and looked lost and even worse-invisible.

2. EVAN NEAL- WOW. 3 sacks given up to Lawrence, 1 sack given up to Wilson, and jumping offsides. Can't sugarcoat it. He was horrible.

3. WAN'DALE ROBINSON- "draft experts" claimed he was taken way too high with the 43rd overall pick. So far, he can't get on the field to answer that claim

4. JOSHUA EZEUDU- his overall performance in game one has gotten him a seat on the bench- despite the glaring interior weaknesses on the Giants O Line, he gets no snaps.

5. CORDALE FLOTT- he has been impressive with his tackling skills and his overall play has been worthy of a solid 3rd round pick

6. DANIEL BELLINGER- he has worked hard to earn the starters role and has improved each week. A great value in the 4th round

7. DANE BELTON- after playing a great deal against the Panthers, he was primarily a special teams player tonight. Was it Winks defensive game plan against the Cowboys, or was it more than that?

8. MICAH MCFADDEN- probably saw his most defensive snaps tonight, but the Cowboys simply had too much success on running plays, especially on meaningful downs.

9. D.J. DAVIDSON- he has made contributions on running plays when the interior starters have been subbed out. Can't complain about his production vs where he was drafted.

10. MARCUS MCKETHAN- incomplete. Out for the year.

11. DARRIAN BEAVERS- incomplete. Out for the year.

Tonight is only one game, but in the NFL, successful drafts are critical to improve a team and build a foundation. Rookies need to add team value quickly.

The poor play or lack of play by this years draft picks created a mountain that simply couldn't be climbed

Sorry Joe- but tonight your draft picks overall performance earned you an "F"
Dumb thread  
giantstock : 9/27/2022 1:18 am : link
Even dumber OP.
umm  
Dhoe20 : 9/27/2022 1:19 am : link
ok
Well...  
moespree : 9/27/2022 1:21 am : link
It hasn't been all that good so far for the draft class. That is true. But it's only 3 games.

Thibs is coming off an injury. Neal played against an all-pro d-line. Probably the best he'll play all season.

It is what it is. They have plenty of time to improve.
Bro, delete this ridiculously absurd take  
montanagiant : 9/27/2022 1:25 am : link
It's nonsensical
They should hire you for First Take  
adamg : 9/27/2022 1:38 am : link
You can take the Mad Dog's spot... quality stuff brother.
This is a dumb thread  
Breeze_94 : 9/27/2022 1:43 am : link
But I will say I am concerned over Evan Neal. Not necessarily because he has struggled, but its the way he's struggled.

Some of his issues could be physical limitations - his feet have looked slow and balance issues have carried over from college. It doesn't appear that he has natural knee bend and his feet are a bit heavy.

I want to think that some of it can be attributed to adjusting to the speed of the game and playing slow because he is not confident in his technique. Look how fast AT's feet and how smooth his pass sets look in year 3 compared to his rookie year.
Impressed with Flotts tackling??  
Woodstock : 9/27/2022 1:43 am : link
Seriously?
Well we shall see..  
prdave73 : 9/27/2022 1:45 am : link
But it doesn’t look good. If true, man this will put the Giants back several years back..
Before you write off Neal  
Blue Dream : 9/27/2022 1:55 am : link
Remember how bad Andrew Thomas sucked in 2020
You know who scores an F..  
Sean : 9/27/2022 2:06 am : link
The previous regime which passed on Micah Parsons and let him go to a division rival.
RE: You know who scores an F..  
prdave73 : 9/27/2022 2:35 am : link
In comment 15833995 Sean said:
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The previous regime which passed on Micah Parsons and let him go to a division rival.


Agree 1000%

There is no one to blame but the owners and past GM (DG) for this mess..
Neal allowed 1 pressure week 1  
allstarjim : 9/27/2022 3:29 am : link
And had a solid grade week 2, that led all rookie linemen, per PFF, if you put any stock in that.

Neal is going to be better than fine. He had a bad game but it's going to get a lot better with him. Dude is still going to be a stud and he absolutely has good knee bend, agility, all the tools needed to be a quality NFL tackle.

He got schooled by superior DL competition last night. Part of the learning curve.
RE: Neal allowed 1 pressure week 1  
Ira : 9/27/2022 4:15 am : link
In comment 15834014 allstarjim said:
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And had a solid grade week 2, that led all rookie linemen, per PFF, if you put any stock in that.

Neal is going to be better than fine. He had a bad game but it's going to get a lot better with him. Dude is still going to be a stud and he absolutely has good knee bend, agility, all the tools needed to be a quality NFL tackle.

He got schooled by superior DL competition last night. Part of the learning curve.


I hope you're right. I still think you are, but after last night, my confidence in him has slipped a level or two.
Wow, just wow  
Jonesin 4 A Ship : 9/27/2022 4:17 am : link
Some of the knee jerk reactions here can be pretty bad but this is downright ridiculous
I expect shitty threads after a loss  
BigBlue7 : 9/27/2022 6:07 am : link
But surprised who this one was started by
Yankee28.  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 9/27/2022 6:10 am : link
You're a good poster & are better than this. We're all hot after a loss, but come on dude. Even I had the good sense to delete my Jones thread, Haha.
Yawn.  
jvm52106 : 9/27/2022 6:15 am : link
Give me a fucking break.

Neal played through his struggle and was big in a few run plays and still held his own outside.

I swear some you guys act so funny when you chastise folks during the week - bad roster, rebuild, not about this year- then game day go ape shit when the Giants to win or dominate.

You do know it is a team game right? How easy is it to tee off on the QB and Online when you do not fear the WR's, the TE's etc. ?

Neal has to get better but that happens by playing.
RE: Neal allowed 1 pressure week 1  
Sec 103 : 9/27/2022 7:05 am : link
In comment 15834014 allstarjim said:
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And had a solid grade week 2, that led all rookie linemen, per PFF, if you put any stock in that.

Neal is going to be better than fine. He had a bad game but it's going to get a lot better with him. Dude is still going to be a stud and he absolutely has good knee bend, agility, all the tools needed to be a quality NFL tackle.

He got schooled by superior DL competition last night. Part of the learning curve.


Agree, but I did see some slow feets....
Yankee28  
Rjanyg : 9/27/2022 7:05 am : link
This is a good draft class. Injuries happen. They will improve.

The worst part of tonight was:

Giving up 6 sacks while getting none.
Shepard injury.
Losing to the the hated Cowboys.

We are onto Chicago
The "F" goes to the coaching staff.  
section125 : 9/27/2022 7:25 am : link
They called a terrible game, both OC and DC...in game management was Judgian in quality.

Any one who thought this was a playoff team, deserves a "C".

You have to play the rookies so they gain experience. Neal was bad. The Vets inside were dreadful.
I figured there would be a lot of  
JCin332 : 9/27/2022 7:26 am : link
dumbass threads today...
RE: Wow, just wow  
joeinpa : 9/27/2022 7:40 am : link
In comment 15834019 Jonesin 4 A Ship said:
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Some of the knee jerk reactions here can be pretty bad but this is downright ridiculous


Lol,……You think!
Someone was drinking hard last night  
RobCrossRiver56 : 9/27/2022 7:44 am : link
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He said “tonight” they got an F  
5BowlsSoon : 9/27/2022 7:53 am : link
Can’t argue with that….last night, our prize rookies didn’t deliver. But I’m especially not upset about Thibs, Flott, Belton, Robinson…they should grow their mistakes and that was Thibs first game.

Neal was the biggest disappointment - hopefully he improves and corrects his errors.
I grade this thread an "F"  
islander1 : 9/27/2022 7:58 am : link
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Schoen  
giantBCP : 9/27/2022 8:04 am : link
seems immune to criticism here.
RE: He said “tonight” they got an F  
section125 : 9/27/2022 8:08 am : link
In comment 15834146 5BowlsSoon said:
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Can’t argue with that….last night, our prize rookies didn’t deliver. But I’m especially not upset about Thibs, Flott, Belton, Robinson…they should grow their mistakes and that was Thibs first game.

Neal was the biggest disappointment - hopefully he improves and corrects his errors.


You DO NOT rate a draft on one game...
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I am Ninja : 9/27/2022 8:13 am : link
Oh fuck off.
Stupid thread  
eli4life : 9/27/2022 8:16 am : link
And stupid take
RE: Schoen  
BigBlueShock : 9/27/2022 8:18 am : link
In comment 15834157 giantBCP said:
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seems immune to criticism here.

Criticize him for what, exactly? Because he hasn’t won a Super Bowl yet? After 3 games and taking over the worst roster in the sport? The fucking guy just got here you nitwit.
RE: Neal allowed 1 pressure week 1  
cosmicj : 9/27/2022 8:19 am : link
In comment 15834014 allstarjim said:
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And had a solid grade week 2, that led all rookie linemen, per PFF, if you put any stock in that.

Neal is going to be better than fine. He had a bad game but it's going to get a lot better with him. Dude is still going to be a stud and he absolutely has good knee bend, agility, all the tools needed to be a quality NFL tackle.

He got schooled by superior DL competition last night. Part of the learning curve.


+1. This may have been Neal’s worst single outing since he started playing football. He went up against some very talented NFL pass rushers and got schooled. Time to put the big boy pants and get back to work.
Nothing wrong with the thread  
Lines of Scrimmage : 9/27/2022 8:34 am : link
It was a early season game and our two very high draft picks hurt the team tonight. Doesn't mean they won't get better but to help turn things around we need them to play to their draft pick. We got killed on the LOS....again. Until this changes we are not modernizing our way out of anything imv.

What were we saying about Parsons at this point last year? Impact.

We need that from our top two guys as the season plays out. I think the rest of the picks have been okay. Ezueda will get some experience, make progress and hopefully be ready in 2023.
RE: You know who scores an F..  
richinpa : 9/27/2022 8:38 am : link
In comment 15833995 Sean said:
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The previous regime which passed on Micah Parsons and let him go to a division rival.



This!!! What did we get in return? Toney and Ojalari and ? I would give 2-3 players for Parsons. If you watched PSU you knew he would be good but not this good! What a crime. DG - you killed our franchise for years
another gem of a thread  
UConn4523 : 9/27/2022 8:53 am : link
how many will there be today?
This year is the start of a process  
GiantsRage2007 : 9/27/2022 9:01 am : link
To clear $$ and start to get talent on the team

We’re supposed to suck

We’ll probably be average to bad next year too

It’ll take 2 or 3 drafts & FA to get out of the mess of Gettleman
RE: Schoen  
Ten Ton Hammer : 9/27/2022 9:03 am : link
In comment 15834157 giantBCP said:
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seems immune to criticism here.


It's funny that you say that while the GM himself has been trying to tone down expectations and communicate that this is a mess that needs undoing before fixing.

Fans haven't got that message, and it's clear.
RE: Schoen  
UConn4523 : 9/27/2022 9:06 am : link
In comment 15834157 giantBCP said:
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seems immune to criticism here.


There wasn't any critical thought in the OP, just emotional vomit. But I'm definitely not "grading" Schoen's 2022 draft after 1 bad game especially when his top pick was having a good preseason until getting rolled up and spraining his ankle.

Neal had a bad game, that's Shoens fault?

We lack talent and cap space and he couldn't fix everything in 1 offseason, lol. Yes, criticize him for that.
I credit him for improving the coaching staff  
giantBCP : 9/27/2022 9:48 am : link
but from a player personnel perspective, did he improve the team? I know it’s not early, but I haven’t been impressed.
RE: I credit him for improving the coaching staff  
UConn4523 : 9/27/2022 9:50 am : link
In comment 15834428 giantBCP said:
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but from a player personnel perspective, did he improve the team? I know it’s not early, but I haven’t been impressed.


Really? After all the injuries we were 2-0 heading into last nights game, which ended up being very winnable. A bunch of our new guys have been injured, nothing Schoen can do about that.

It’s quite possible that we will play Chicago without our top 4 WRs from the start of the season. What else can you do?
Exactly  
giantBCP : 9/27/2022 10:08 am : link
We were 2-0 due to improvements in coaching. We were competitive last night due to coaching; It certainly wasn’t due to the OL that Schoen “rebuilt on a shoe string budget”.
Rookies struggling at times in their first 3 games in the NFL  
ShockNRoll : 9/27/2022 10:21 am : link
I can't imagine! This must only be a Giants problem!
RE: Yankee28.  
LTIsTheGreatest : 9/27/2022 10:23 am : link
In comment 15834039 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:
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You're a good poster & are better than this. We're all hot after a loss, but come on dude. Even I had the good sense to delete my Jones thread, Haha.


7 years of college down the drain!
Schoen has his work cut out for him.  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 9/27/2022 10:23 am : link
The roster is just so devoid of talent...it is somewhat UFB.
LTIsTheGreatest.  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 9/27/2022 10:24 am : link
Too late for me to join the Peace Corps? :-)
thibs and azeez  
djm : 9/27/2022 10:24 am : link
were never going to dominate last night when they haven't gotten any burn for over a month. Live bodies maybe, but not NFL ready.

Wasn't our night. We didn't have the numbers going in and it showed. Move on to the Bears. We're 2-1. This loss shouldn't define the first half of the year. We lost to a team that had better players. Shit happens.
RE: Exactly  
BigBlueShock : 9/27/2022 10:26 am : link
In comment 15834496 giantBCP said:
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We were 2-0 due to improvements in coaching. We were competitive last night due to coaching; It certainly wasn’t due to the OL that Schoen “rebuilt on a shoe string budget”.

What the hell was he supposed to do about player personnel this off season? Some of you continue to have your head buried completely in the sand when it comes to understanding how dire this situation was/is. The are in cap hell. You can ignore it all you want, but it’s not making you look very bright
YANKEE28  
RetroJint : 9/27/2022 10:59 am : link
Like reading this guy’s post . Obviously a case where he’s pissed off about yet another loss to Dallas . He will come around . No Fs for anyone , except possibly for signing Glowinski to the one decent contract that Schoen could do.

#5 was gimpy . That was obvious . He probably shouldn’t have been out there . Leo was sorely missed . Neal had a rough one . Carolina & Dallas’s fronts are much better than Clemson . He will get used to it .

What’s killing this first year is the crap that Gettleman left behind , primarily Gollady. What an utter disgrace of a football player . Guy playing obviously not to get hurt instead of sticking his nose in there to help the ballclub.

Had the ball with 1.25 remaining -7 , then Sills wiped out . Carpet misery ? What about the Cowboys then? Yeah Dak didn’t play but it doesn’t look like Rush is much worse . They are in good hands with that guy .

No Fs , Yankee . Recoup & restore . Stay with it .
This could be a thread 2 years ahead of it's time  
ghost718 : 9/27/2022 11:05 am : link
With the Giants,I wouldn't bet against it
RE: RE: Neal allowed 1 pressure week 1  
giantstock : 9/27/2022 12:25 pm : link
In comment 15834018 Ira said:
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In comment 15834014 allstarjim said:


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And had a solid grade week 2, that led all rookie linemen, per PFF, if you put any stock in that.

Neal is going to be better than fine. He had a bad game but it's going to get a lot better with him. Dude is still going to be a stud and he absolutely has good knee bend, agility, all the tools needed to be a quality NFL tackle.

He got schooled by superior DL competition last night. Part of the learning curve.



I hope you're right. I still think you are, but after last night, my confidence in him has slipped a level or two.

What is it with you lunatics? One freaking game - 3rd game of the season and you are making such a huge deal out of it?

Didn’t Thomas  
ajr2456 : 9/27/2022 12:27 pm : link
Give up 4 or 5 sacks vs the Cardinals his rookie year?
You're better than this  
Kevin_in_Pgh : 9/27/2022 1:56 pm : link
chill out
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No1MDGiantsFan : 9/27/2022 2:03 pm : link
What you’ve just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.
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