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Giants Sacks For & Against Through Game 3

M.S. : 9/27/2022 10:54 am

Not the be-all-to-end-all stat, but usually indicative of how well a team is protecting its QB and how much pressure a team is getting on the opposing QB.

Giants are 3rd in the league for most sacks allowed (13). Washington & Cincy both have allowed 15. On average, the Giants are the 2nd worst NFL team based on the number of sacks allowed per pass attempted, allowing a sack for every 7.1 passes. Only da Bears are worse (a sack every 4.5 passes.)

Giants are 3rd from last (30th) in sacking the opposing QB (3). Las Vegas and Arizona are tied for the fewest sacks at 2. The Giants are averaging 1 sack for every 31 times the opposing offense throws the ball. That's good for the 30th rank as well.
Through 3 games last season (2021)  
M.S. : 9/27/2022 10:57 am : link

against Denver, Washington and Atlanta, the Giants generated 6 sacks, while allowing 8 sacks.
What's your point?  
gidiefor : Mod : 9/27/2022 10:58 am : link
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RE: What's your point?  
Jack Stroud : 9/27/2022 11:05 am : link
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Maybe the point is their Giants can't protect their qb and are unable to generate a sufficient enough pass rush to get the the opponents qb. These stats will lead to more loses than wins?
RE: What's your point?  
M.S. : 9/27/2022 11:06 am : link
In comment 15834647 gidiefor said:
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Welp, we are losing the LOS on passing plays. Often. And if this trend continues, we will be drafting in the Top 10 easily, with a very fine chance of a Top 5 pick.
RE: RE: What's your point?  
M.S. : 9/27/2022 11:07 am : link
In comment 15834672 Jack Stroud said:
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Maybe the point is their Giants can't protect their qb and are unable to generate a sufficient enough pass rush to get the the opponents qb. These stats will lead to more loses than wins?

You took the words right out of my mouth!
What don't you guys get about  
gidiefor : Mod : 9/27/2022 11:08 am : link
this team is rebuilding -- this was never going to be a winning season.

At 2-1 we are in bonus territory
RE: What don't you guys get about  
M.S. : 9/27/2022 11:18 am : link
In comment 15834688 gidiefor said:
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this team is rebuilding -- this was never going to be a winning season.

At 2-1 we are in bonus territory

So, Eric has called this a "meaningless" year and you are calling it a "rebuilding" year. Well, then... maybe the two victories are not really a "bonus" after all since they will only push the Giants further down the Draft Board when they are desperate for front line talent, including a brand new QB!
MS  
gidiefor : Mod : 9/27/2022 11:20 am : link
you really should take a time out -- if you are just going to flail around with the same bull over and over again it's just tiresome
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Eric from BBI : Admin : 9/27/2022 11:26 am : link
In comment 15834719 M.S. said:
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this team is rebuilding -- this was never going to be a winning season.

At 2-1 we are in bonus territory


So, Eric has called this a "meaningless" year and you are calling it a "rebuilding" year. Well, then... maybe the two victories are not really a "bonus" after all since they will only push the Giants further down the Draft Board when they are desperate for front line talent, including a brand new QB!


You don't understand the process at all. You're totally a knee-jerk poster. It's annoying.
Apologies if I've come across as annoying  
M.S. : 9/27/2022 11:30 am : link

that is not my intent.

RE: Apologies if I've come across as annoying  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 9/27/2022 11:32 am : link
In comment 15834756 M.S. said:
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that is not my intent.


We're all frustrated.

But this is a rebuilding year.

I said weeks ago and keep saying it, most of the offense is going to be swapped next year. This is going to take a few years. We started over again. What happened from 2012-2021 doesn't count. We get no credit from it.

We starting at the bottom again.
The "Process"  
HewlettGiant : 9/27/2022 11:38 am : link
another honeymoon because it is Schoen instead of DG.

To those who have bought in to the "process" please understand that the frustration expressed on multiple threads comes from people who are here, rooting and still following the team.

Ownership has made so many wrong decisions the "Here we go again" mentality is natural but instead of throwing the towel in as fans we care and find it hard to understand that other teams draft players that come in and impact the game, and we seem to swing and miss all too often.

Stretch your perspective in terms of time and results  
JonC : 9/27/2022 11:41 am : link
Eric touched on this, but I'll repeat it because I've been saying it ... current personnel is not good enough to take the Giants to a championship. It's a rebuilding work in progress, and the performance quality and results will vary week to week. The 2-0 start was fun, but keep it in perspective. This roster is closer to top 10 draft picks than it is to winning 10 games and being competitive in the playoffs.

A rebuilding team means turnover year to year will happen, and definitely for the 2022 Giants, personnel will be a revolving door at some positions moving into 2023. Among the highest changes on this roster will be both lines.
Bad, Boring, and Dumb  
Jerry in_DC : 9/27/2022 11:45 am : link
Has described the Giants for many years. Now we are only Bad and Boring. No longer Dumb.

Next we will stop being boring. Then we will stop being bad.

When a team was as Dumb as we were under Gettleman, it takes some time.
RE: RE: Apologies if I've come across as annoying  
ShockNRoll : 9/27/2022 12:48 pm : link
In comment 15834760 Eric from BBI said:
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that is not my intent.




We're all frustrated.

But this is a rebuilding year.

I said weeks ago and keep saying it, most of the offense is going to be swapped next year. This is going to take a few years. We started over again. What happened from 2012-2021 doesn't count. We get no credit from it.

We starting at the bottom again.


I was just saying to a friend that it's possible Wan'dale Robinson is the only Giants WR that will definitely be on the roster next season. It seems like it'll be difficult to move guys like Golladay and Toney, but they certainly don't seem to be in the team's long-term plans, and Shepard has played his last game as a Giant. Sills or Collin Johnson could be back, but I wouldn't say they're guaranteed.
I agree with M.S.  
Angel Eyes : 9/27/2022 3:38 pm : link
It's been a concern of mine that Wink's defenses don't generate a lot of sacks and there is a definite correlation between getting 40+ sacks and the Giants doing well. Since 1981 the Giants have made the playoffs 16 times. Of those, they've had at least 40 sacks (an average of 2-3 sacks a game) all but five times (1989, 1990, 2002, 2006, 2016) and of those five times there's only one time where the Giants advanced past their first round of the playoffs: 1990.

1981: 44 sacks. Giants beat Eagles in Wild-Card round, lost to 49ers in Divisional Round. Top sacker: George Martin, 11 sacks.

1984: 48 sacks. Giants beat Rams in Wild-Card round, lost to 49ers in Divisional Round: Top sacker: Lawrence Taylor, 11.5 sacks.

1985: 68 sacks. Giants beat 49ers in Wild-Card round, lost to Bears in Divisional Round. Top sacker: Leonard Marshall, 15.5 sacks.

1986: 59 sacks. Giants beat 49ers in Divisional Round, beat Washington in NFC Championship, beat Broncos in Super Bowl XXI. Top sacker: Lawrence Taylor, 20.5 sacks.

1989: 39 sacks. Giants lose to Rams in Divisional Round. Top sacker: Lawrence Taylor, 15 sacks.

1990: 30 sacks (outlier). Giants beat Bears in Divisional Round, beat 49ers in NFC Championship, beat Bills in Super Bowl XXV. Top sacker: Lawrence Taylor, 10.5 sacks.

1993: 41 sacks. Giants beat Vikings in Wild-Card round, lose to 49ers in Divisional Round. Top sacker: Keith Hamilton, 11.5 sacks.

1997: 54 sacks. Giants lose to Vikings in Wild-Card round. Top sacker: Michael Strahan, 14 sacks.

2000: 43 sacks. Giants beat Eagles in Divisional Round, beat Vikings in NFC Championship, lose to Ravens in Super Bowl XXXV. Top sacker: Keith Hamilton, 10 sacks.

2002: 37 sacks. Giants lose to 49ers in Wild-Card round. Top sacker: Michael Strahan, 11 sacks.

2005: 41 sacks. Giants lose to Panthers in Wild-Card round. Top sacker: Osi Umenyiora, 14.5 sacks.

2006: 32 sacks. Giants lose to Eagles in Wild-Card round.
Top sacker: Osi Umenyiora, 6 sacks.

2007: 53 sacks. Giants beat Bucs in Wild-Card round, Cowboys in Divisional Round, Packers in NFC Championship, Patriots in Super Bowl XLII. Top sacker: Osi Umenyiora, 13 sacks.

2008: 42 sacks. Giants lose to Eagles in Divisional Round. Top sacker: Justin Tuck, 12 sacks.

2011: 48 sacks. Giants beat Falcons in Wild-Card round, Packers in Divisional Round, 49ers in NFC Championship, Patriots in Super Bowl XLVI. Top sacker: Jason Pierre-Paul, 16.5 sacks.

2016: 35 sacks. Giants lose to Packers in Wild-Card round. Top sacker: Olivier Vernon, 8 sacks.
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