I know it’s early but I’m very concerned about our 1st 3 draft picks. I also believe there were better values later in the draft as well. I hope I’m wrong but if gettleman drafted this class we would all be all over him.
Everyone on this site was thrilled with the Giants draft a few months ago. Even the national media was giving the Giants A+s for their first two picks.
A number of the later round picks have been pushing for starting and/or top reserve time, including two on IR right now.
No one expected Neal to come in and not struggle. Thibodeaux missed almost of camp and the preseason.
Everyone on this site was thrilled with the Giants draft a few months ago. Even the national media was giving the Giants A+s for their first two picks.
A number of the later round picks have been pushing for starting and/or top reserve time, including two on IR right now.
No one expected Neal to come in and not struggle. Thibodeaux missed almost of camp and the preseason.
When did Giants fans get so dumb?
Nowadays people want everything to happen at Internet speed.
Wandale seems to have been a reach where he was taken. Jury is out of Thibs but I had my concerns. If Thibs ends up being Mathias Kiwanuka I'd consider that a miss for where he was drafted.
Outside of Love, McKinney, Jackson, Thomas and Saquon there is not too much talent on this roster.
Love how they manage thier timeouts the most especially the second half it's why they have been getting shots to win/tie up these games in the end. The beat example the coaching staff not challenging that late close catch on 4th down he didn't want you lose a TO on a gamble.
Personally, I feel like any GM would've made the Thibodeaux and Neal picks. In KT's defense, it was his first game and he's coming off an injury. Neal will take longer to develop... we'll know next year.
I'm very critical of the Robinson pick though. I think there was clearly better talent available and more importantly he wasn't providing depth where we needed it in 2022. Instead of drafting another slot receiver, they should've been looking to replace the roles Golladay/Slayton play.
Everyone on this site was thrilled with the Giants draft a few months ago. Even the national media was giving the Giants A+s for their first two picks.
A number of the later round picks have been pushing for starting and/or top reserve time, including two on IR right now.
No one expected Neal to come in and not struggle. Thibodeaux missed almost of camp and the preseason.
When did Giants fans get so dumb?
They have always been dumb - or at least as dumb as any other fan base. They are just more vocal about it now.
Everyone on this site was thrilled with the Giants draft a few months ago. Even the national media was giving the Giants A+s for their first two picks.
A number of the later round picks have been pushing for starting and/or top reserve time, including two on IR right now.
No one expected Neal to come in and not struggle. Thibodeaux missed almost of camp and the preseason.
When did Giants fans get so dumb?
It is pretty annoying the way some people act here. First off during the week all you hear is wins aren't the point it is a rebuild, this roster sucks etc. Then the game happens and they are bashing this play, that call, Jones sucks, we should be playing Taylor, get OBJ in here etc, because we aren't handily (games 1 & 2) and lost last night..
Last night a few huge things worked against Neal and our Oline as a whole.
1) Any semblance of quick strike, down field attack was eliminated before the game ever started with Robinson and Toney both not playing. We had no zip, no quick strike capability at WR position.
2) Dallas's defense is pretty damn good. How good? The Cowboys have scored 46 points in 3 games and 23 of those came against us. yet, they are 2-1. They haven't allowed more than 19 points in a single game and their opponents were the Bucs, Bengals and Us. Of that group, we were the worst offensive team and skill group they faced.
3) Micah Parsons is so good the Gmen did all they could to eliminate that threat but in doing so exposed Neal to Lawrence who is a heck of a pass rusher. Again, Dallas's defense is pretty good and when you a super talent on the field, teams have to over play him and it allows others to shine.
4) It is a team game and our offense is a buffet filled with one option, mashed potatoes. You can dress them up some, add some butter, salt pepper, maybe a cheese topping or whatever but ultimately it is what it is. Because Dallas didn't have to fear being attacked deep or quickly down the field they could pin their ears back and come after Jones. Two opposite things can be true without taking each other way- Jones played and amazing game -for him, but his lack of true passing talent and throwing guys open along with guys who need picture perfect passes to catch them makes the defense not worry of the few "highlight" plays Jones may make. Truly he is a guy who could thrive with a really good team and great all around talent- like a Jimmy G or Alex Smith (maybe Tannehill) but he isn't winning games on his own. That means the Oline is at risk even further.
4) Our WR's are the worst group in the NFL -again and it is not close. Sils shouldn't be starting and really should be WR 4, WR 5 on most teams.
Anyone who thinks the Oline was putrid has zero idea on what all plays into that. Dallas, with Cooper Rush, beat us offensively because we couldn't get to the QB because to do so means we have to blitz and disguise blitzes which leaves guys like Brown (a good player by the way), Lamb, Pollard, Ferguson (their TE's beat us no matter who it is) in very favorable matchups. Once they got their running game going we were now vulnerable to the play action pass. Our offense presented none of that to the Dallas defense. They had ZERO worries about our group.
I was hoping this new coaching staff would do better with using
the TE in the offense and how to better defense the TE, it appears nothing has changed when it comes to the TE's! The Giants had the cowturds TE's looking like the second coming of Jason Witten!
I literally said this friend last night leaving the game, this team has a ton of holes, right now its house mpney, yeah it was fun to have an excited building again for a game but this season is about evaluation and thats it, if they win grest, if they lose ok cool..
If this team had SB aspirations then last night would of been a terrible loss..
You have to evaluate a team on where they at in a rebuild, not after a couple of wins and then you change everything. The team is still in a complete rebuild, hasnt even really started
my issues with this past draft had more to do with
From a pathetic point of view. JFC, dos we lose 40-0? They weee LEADING with 20 min to go in the game. Dallas raised their intensity level and sense of urgency and the Giants didn’t. It ended up a one score loss.
Most of us wanted competitive football this year. Well, that’s 3 competitive games and they managed to win 2.
There’s a shot ton more that has to be done with this roster. The people in the building know this. We should too (although based on what I’m reading this morning, I guess not.
I am not the least bit worried about Neal or Thibs
Neal is going to be a force by the end of the season. Look who he has played against so far, what a trial by fire. Thibs will figure it out. 21 yr old guys need a little time.
Everyone on this site was thrilled with the Giants draft a few months ago. Even the national media was giving the Giants A+s for their first two picks.
A number of the later round picks have been pushing for starting and/or top reserve time, including two on IR right now.
No one expected Neal to come in and not struggle. Thibodeaux missed almost of camp and the preseason.
When did Giants fans get so dumb?
They have always been dumb - or at least as dumb as any other fan base. They are just more vocal about it now.
Thank you, internet!
Remember that old fable about Giant fans being very knowledgeable, well that group either died off or it was just something us NYers like to tell ourselves about how smart we are.
Everyone on this site was thrilled with the Giants draft a few months ago. Even the national media was giving the Giants A+s for their first two picks.
A number of the later round picks have been pushing for starting and/or top reserve time, including two on IR right now.
No one expected Neal to come in and not struggle. Thibodeaux missed almost of camp and the preseason.
When did Giants fans get so dumb?
They have always been dumb - or at least as dumb as any other fan base. They are just more vocal about it now.
Thank you, internet!
Remember that old fable about Giant fans being very knowledgeable, well that group either died off or it was just something us NYers like to tell ourselves about how smart we are.
Everyone on this site was thrilled with the Giants draft a few months ago. Even the national media was giving the Giants A+s for their first two picks.
A number of the later round picks have been pushing for starting and/or top reserve time, including two on IR right now.
No one expected Neal to come in and not struggle. Thibodeaux missed almost of camp and the preseason.
When did Giants fans get so dumb?
I don't get people complaining right now. Who the hell thought this team was going to compete this year? The coaching staff should be commended for making this awful roster competitive.
There are at least 8 starters right now that will most likely be different next season. The Giants are still working through the garbage that DG left them with.
Everyone on this site was thrilled with the Giants draft a few months ago. Even the national media was giving the Giants A+s for their first two picks.
A number of the later round picks have been pushing for starting and/or top reserve time, including two on IR right now.
No one expected Neal to come in and not struggle. Thibodeaux missed almost of camp and the preseason.
When did Giants fans get so dumb?
They have always been dumb - or at least as dumb as any other fan base. They are just more vocal about it now.
Thank you, internet!
Remember that old fable about Giant fans being very knowledgeable, well that group either died off or it was just something us NYers like to tell ourselves about how smart we are.
Have they always been so sensitive they can’t deal with fans having differing opinions?
Personally, I feel like any GM would've made the Thibodeaux and Neal picks. In KT's defense, it was his first game and he's coming off an injury. Neal will take longer to develop... we'll know next year.
I'm very critical of the Robinson pick though. I think there was clearly better talent available and more importantly he wasn't providing depth where we needed it in 2022. Instead of drafting another slot receiver, they should've been looking to replace the roles Golladay/Slayton play.
Agreed about the Robinson point. Also, concerned about Flott for the long term but time will tell
I was hoping he’s look a little better by now but he’s going up against some great players. Doesn’t mean I’m concerned about him, he needs a year of playing time, an offseason to get stronger and to work on technique.
I still expect him to be a top 5 RT when it’s all said and done.
We’re 3 games into 1 class. Gotta wait a little no?
Find some patience or you're going to be constantly miserable while development takes place.
A number of the later round picks have been pushing for starting and/or top reserve time, including two on IR right now.
No one expected Neal to come in and not struggle. Thibodeaux missed almost of camp and the preseason.
When did Giants fans get so dumb?
From a fan perspective, the worst thing for the team was to win its first two games. It knocked all sense of reason out of half the fan base.
I have a high degree of confidence that Neal, at minimum, has a high floor as an NFL tackle
Thibs is more ceiling but still, this was his first friggin' game.
A number of the later round picks have been pushing for starting and/or top reserve time, including two on IR right now.
No one expected Neal to come in and not struggle. Thibodeaux missed almost of camp and the preseason.
When did Giants fans get so dumb?
Outside of Love, McKinney, Jackson, Thomas and Saquon there is not too much talent on this roster.
I have a high degree of confidence that Neal, at minimum, has a high floor as an NFL tackle
Thibs is more ceiling but still, this was his first friggin' game.
Yep.
Eric's right, the 2-0 start went to many heads.
You've watched football before, why are you acting like you havent.
Give it some time. Repost next year if the results aren't showing where you can make a better position on this.
I'm very critical of the Robinson pick though. I think there was clearly better talent available and more importantly he wasn't providing depth where we needed it in 2022. Instead of drafting another slot receiver, they should've been looking to replace the roles Golladay/Slayton play.
Grrrrrr.
You've watched football before, why are you acting like you havent.
This.
Um, and Neal. The Giants did not trade a 1st rounder straight up for a 1st rounder 9 picks later, for fuck's sake
A number of the later round picks have been pushing for starting and/or top reserve time, including two on IR right now.
No one expected Neal to come in and not struggle. Thibodeaux missed almost of camp and the preseason.
When did Giants fans get so dumb?
They have always been dumb - or at least as dumb as any other fan base. They are just more vocal about it now.
Thank you, internet!
A number of the later round picks have been pushing for starting and/or top reserve time, including two on IR right now.
No one expected Neal to come in and not struggle. Thibodeaux missed almost of camp and the preseason.
When did Giants fans get so dumb?
It is pretty annoying the way some people act here. First off during the week all you hear is wins aren't the point it is a rebuild, this roster sucks etc. Then the game happens and they are bashing this play, that call, Jones sucks, we should be playing Taylor, get OBJ in here etc, because we aren't handily (games 1 & 2) and lost last night..
Last night a few huge things worked against Neal and our Oline as a whole.
1) Any semblance of quick strike, down field attack was eliminated before the game ever started with Robinson and Toney both not playing. We had no zip, no quick strike capability at WR position.
2) Dallas's defense is pretty damn good. How good? The Cowboys have scored 46 points in 3 games and 23 of those came against us. yet, they are 2-1. They haven't allowed more than 19 points in a single game and their opponents were the Bucs, Bengals and Us. Of that group, we were the worst offensive team and skill group they faced.
3) Micah Parsons is so good the Gmen did all they could to eliminate that threat but in doing so exposed Neal to Lawrence who is a heck of a pass rusher. Again, Dallas's defense is pretty good and when you a super talent on the field, teams have to over play him and it allows others to shine.
4) It is a team game and our offense is a buffet filled with one option, mashed potatoes. You can dress them up some, add some butter, salt pepper, maybe a cheese topping or whatever but ultimately it is what it is. Because Dallas didn't have to fear being attacked deep or quickly down the field they could pin their ears back and come after Jones. Two opposite things can be true without taking each other way- Jones played and amazing game -for him, but his lack of true passing talent and throwing guys open along with guys who need picture perfect passes to catch them makes the defense not worry of the few "highlight" plays Jones may make. Truly he is a guy who could thrive with a really good team and great all around talent- like a Jimmy G or Alex Smith (maybe Tannehill) but he isn't winning games on his own. That means the Oline is at risk even further.
4) Our WR's are the worst group in the NFL -again and it is not close. Sils shouldn't be starting and really should be WR 4, WR 5 on most teams.
Anyone who thinks the Oline was putrid has zero idea on what all plays into that. Dallas, with Cooper Rush, beat us offensively because we couldn't get to the QB because to do so means we have to blitz and disguise blitzes which leaves guys like Brown (a good player by the way), Lamb, Pollard, Ferguson (their TE's beat us no matter who it is) in very favorable matchups. Once they got their running game going we were now vulnerable to the play action pass. Our offense presented none of that to the Dallas defense. They had ZERO worries about our group.
If this team had SB aspirations then last night would of been a terrible loss..
You have to evaluate a team on where they at in a rebuild, not after a couple of wins and then you change everything. The team is still in a complete rebuild, hasnt even really started
but lets give it all a chance to play out
Most of us wanted competitive football this year. Well, that’s 3 competitive games and they managed to win 2.
There’s a shot ton more that has to be done with this roster. The people in the building know this. We should too (although based on what I’m reading this morning, I guess not.
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From a fan perspective, the worst thing for the team was to win its first two games. It knocked all sense of reason out of half the fan base.
Offseason we need 2 WR, OC, OG. Those are paramount. However they come we need them.
Just be happy we aren't already out of contention in week 3. Or like last year Thursday of week freakin 2!!!
I'm willing to write it off as rust coming off the injury, but he looked like an UDFA the way he was moving. No giddy up.
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Everyone on this site was thrilled with the Giants draft a few months ago. Even the national media was giving the Giants A+s for their first two picks.
A number of the later round picks have been pushing for starting and/or top reserve time, including two on IR right now.
No one expected Neal to come in and not struggle. Thibodeaux missed almost of camp and the preseason.
When did Giants fans get so dumb?
They have always been dumb - or at least as dumb as any other fan base. They are just more vocal about it now.
Thank you, internet!
Remember that old fable about Giant fans being very knowledgeable, well that group either died off or it was just something us NYers like to tell ourselves about how smart we are.
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In comment 15834824 Eric from BBI said:
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Everyone on this site was thrilled with the Giants draft a few months ago. Even the national media was giving the Giants A+s for their first two picks.
A number of the later round picks have been pushing for starting and/or top reserve time, including two on IR right now.
No one expected Neal to come in and not struggle. Thibodeaux missed almost of camp and the preseason.
When did Giants fans get so dumb?
They have always been dumb - or at least as dumb as any other fan base. They are just more vocal about it now.
Thank you, internet!
Remember that old fable about Giant fans being very knowledgeable, well that group either died off or it was just something us NYers like to tell ourselves about how smart we are.
it was never the same after the 03/05ers
A number of the later round picks have been pushing for starting and/or top reserve time, including two on IR right now.
No one expected Neal to come in and not struggle. Thibodeaux missed almost of camp and the preseason.
When did Giants fans get so dumb?
I don't get people complaining right now. Who the hell thought this team was going to compete this year? The coaching staff should be commended for making this awful roster competitive.
There are at least 8 starters right now that will most likely be different next season. The Giants are still working through the garbage that DG left them with.
There were good outside WRs available, and corners, at 36
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In comment 15834824 Eric from BBI said:
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Everyone on this site was thrilled with the Giants draft a few months ago. Even the national media was giving the Giants A+s for their first two picks.
A number of the later round picks have been pushing for starting and/or top reserve time, including two on IR right now.
No one expected Neal to come in and not struggle. Thibodeaux missed almost of camp and the preseason.
When did Giants fans get so dumb?
They have always been dumb - or at least as dumb as any other fan base. They are just more vocal about it now.
Thank you, internet!
Remember that old fable about Giant fans being very knowledgeable, well that group either died off or it was just something us NYers like to tell ourselves about how smart we are.
Have they always been so sensitive they can’t deal with fans having differing opinions?
I'm very critical of the Robinson pick though. I think there was clearly better talent available and more importantly he wasn't providing depth where we needed it in 2022. Instead of drafting another slot receiver, they should've been looking to replace the roles Golladay/Slayton play.
Agreed about the Robinson point. Also, concerned about Flott for the long term but time will tell
I still expect him to be a top 5 RT when it’s all said and done.
Can’t grade Thibs at all coming off an injury.