A lot of teams complain about MetLife's turf. I noticed Saquon and Shep were wearing some pretty deep grass cleats for fake turf. On rotation, the cleats grab and since the fake blades of grass do NOT shred (and I bet the cleats get stuck in substrate) guess what blows. The part of the body above the tibia. Shep was decelerating watching the INT and when his foot landed it stuck in the turf. He was doing nothing and his knee torqued out! Odell had a similar issue twice in different stadiums and he wasn't really in contact.
https://twitter.com/BobbySkinner_/status/1574601354504544264?s=20&t=dc0vyXJdjGqEq5G8GuIU-g
This also may be a training issue. Times have moved on and PTs have looked way past absolute strength into elasticity and getting the "Knees Over Toes" to train VMO.
If anyone here has knee issues this guy has the ticket. It worked for me!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1a6nfG69c9g
Real grass is a PITA and expensive but in the end you are paying millions to players who are benched for knee and ankle issues
Also, see Daboll's comments in thread above.
And I believe it was already said that they just replaced that turf in the offseason.
Also, see Daboll's comments in thread above.
The last step he takes, the knee seems to buckle slightly. To me there is no other explanation. That turf is terrible, I don't care if its new, it's still the same artificial garbage.
There's really no excuse, the Eagles play in the same climate and share the stadium with Temple and their grass field is in overall good condition throughout the season. The Linc also hosts concerts and other events. Grass needs to be something heavily considered. The expense of it is a drop in the bucket for BOTH owners.
Why are so many fans talking in absolutes today?
Yes, there is another explanation. He actually partially tore the ACL earlier in the game or practice. He's too ripped for his frame and it just popped (something we are seeing around the NFL now).
Why are so many fans talking in absolutes today?
Yes, there is another explanation. He actually partially tore the ACL earlier in the game or practice. He's too ripped for his frame and it just popped (something we are seeing around the NFL now).
The absolutes are fucking mind numbing. As if there are only a small handful of completely isolated issues holding this team back
Happens all the time, even to regular people who suffer an injury. You compensate.
Also, these guys are too ripped with muscle and the tendons can't support the stress.
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when a player is recovering from another injury, they can adjust by putting stress on another part of their body, leading to another injury. (this may have happened with Ojulari too).
Happens all the time, even to regular people who suffer an injury. You compensate.
Also, these guys are too ripped with muscle and the tendons can't support the stress.
Yup, I told the story on BBI after it happened back in 2002, after the 49er meltdown in the playoffs, I was working the clock at my sister-in-law's basketball game & I was sitting with former Giants S&C coach "Mother" Dunn, who was charting fouls (his daughter was playing). We were chatting throughout about the Giants and the topic of Tim Carter came up. Carter was constantly hurt for the Giants and he said to me, "he's too ripped, his body is too tight and he gets hurt as a result". He then knocked the table we were sitting at and basically said "that's Carter, he's so muscular that he's too stiff and the muscle tears, tendon issues, etc constantly are happening."
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In comment 15835119 Eric from BBI said:
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when a player is recovering from another injury, they can adjust by putting stress on another part of their body, leading to another injury. (this may have happened with Ojulari too).
Happens all the time, even to regular people who suffer an injury. You compensate.
Also, these guys are too ripped with muscle and the tendons can't support the stress.
Yup, I told the story on BBI after it happened back in 2002, after the 49er meltdown in the playoffs, I was working the clock at my sister-in-law's basketball game & I was sitting with former Giants S&C coach "Mother" Dunn, who was charting fouls (his daughter was playing). We were chatting throughout about the Giants and the topic of Tim Carter came up. Carter was constantly hurt for the Giants and he said to me, "he's too ripped, his body is too tight and he gets hurt as a result". He then knocked the table we were sitting at and basically said "that's Carter, he's so muscular that he's too stiff and the muscle tears, tendon issues, etc constantly are happening."
I don't disagree about guys being too big. Brady for years now has trained on being more mobile, flexible and not so much about muscle mass. I know Jonathan Taylor on the Colts does hot yoga as part of his training regimen.
However, studies have been done and concluded that artificial turf produces more lower extremity injuries.
NFLPA conducted studies for six years and found that non-contact injuries are 28% higher on field turf. 32% higher for non-contact knee and 69% higher for non-contact foot/ankle.
Of the 32 teams, NFL has 16 that play on grass and 16 that play on artificial turf. Of the 16 teams that play on artificial turf, 13 of them were ranked in the NFL's top 16 for being most frequently injured during 2021.
NFLPA Field Turf - ( New Window )
Boomer on WFAN said MetLife turf is bad, everyone hates it and grass is probably the future
Combine that with the cleat design(Saquon seemed to have linear cleats?) and thats a big problem. Brady works on elasticity only BUT again, he's a QB.
Boomer seemed frustrated that "they're not getting Golladay the ball" and blamed Jones. The SOB can't catch when he does get an opportunity, lopes out of his breaks, doesn't comeback strong to the ball and is not interested in burning a lot of energy out there.
In comment 15835463 MeanBunny said:
Boomer on WFAN said MetLife turf is bad, everyone hates it and grass is probably the future
Why are so many fans talking in absolutes today?
Yes, there is another explanation. He actually partially tore the ACL earlier in the game or practice. He's too ripped for his frame and it just popped (something we are seeing around the NFL now).
This is a great point. We always hear the phrase "non-contact knee injury" associated with ACL tears, and it's often true that the failure appears to be precipitated by something rather innocuous (e.g., jogging, misstep, torquing). However, what we don't often see is an other earlier event that contributed to the trauma, such that the ligament is already in a weakened state and will fail when under a lesser strain.
I'm not saying that's what happened to Shep, but Barkley's ACL injury against Chicago in 2019 is a great example. A play or two earlier, he quite clearly does "something" to his knee, but is able to finish the play with what appears to be no major deficit. Shortly thereafter, the right knee completely caves on a run to the outside, where he plants it (on grass) while trying to break a tackle.
That's not to say this is necessarily what happened to Shep, but it would be somewhat ignorant to look at the injury in a a vacuum at that moment.
Odell made the biggest splash. The Players union is actively discussing the issue.
Its a perfect storm of
-Grass cleats designed for max grab
-Turf that has a deep substrate and doesn't give after a certain point on twist events
-Overpowered athletes that generate force and the joint cannot take force. Probably 400lbs of force just on a hard slowing down jog and if Shep was twisting upper body to look and leg lands pigeon toed it's donzo
ACL Recovery Club - ( New Window )
Enough is enough already. I don't understand why the Giants/Jets are so stubborn and cheap about this. Clearly visiting teams think it's an issue, and the injuries the Giants have had over the years are way above league norm. Even if the injuries occur in practice, or on the road, the wear and tear of playing on such an awful surface is likely to be an aggravating factor.
Bring in some (non-biased) experts and some NFLPA reps, and spend some money and give us a best in class surface (or just use grass). Enough already.