Is this a baseline at least the majority of us can agree on?
1) He plays hard and tough and is giving everything he has to this team.
2) He can make plays with his legs and is good when he tucks it and runs.
3) When he has time and is in rhythm he can make some very nice throws downfield.
4) When his first read is not open, Jones struggles to make second and third reads.
5) He holds the ball too long and often does not feel the pressure around him in the pocket.
6) He will likely not get a second contract with the Giants.
7) He will likely sign somewhere else as a bridge/competition guy or high end backup.
I am accused of being a Jones basher, but I think this is a pretty middle-of-the road take on the guy.
I would say that he has shown some improvement in pocket presence, but still needs a lot of work.
The OL continues to struggle. That said, he definitely holds the ball too long. His biggest fault IMO.
He has good arm talent. (Example: He made one incredible off platform throw last night.)
His receivers repeatedly let him down at the worst times possible. Its almost comical (to quote Tiki)
He may be here next year, but not on a mega-contract.
Cowherd - ( New Window )
Camp A argues that because of the talent around him, you can't prove he sucks.
Camp B argues that because he hasn't played well, you can't prove he is good.
In the 4th year, it no longer matters if you can't prove he sucks. He needs to be demonstrably, consistently good
Yep. Time's up, basically. This is not the 80s, or even the early 00s. Cap rules + rookie contracts mean that the Giants can't wait for the roster to get better around Jones. Either Jones gets better this year, now, or the Giants move on. There's no viable middle ground.
He had a decent game last night under adversity. If that were year 2 I would have been all in. It's year 4; you need more than that.
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but more likely 25th best QB in the league.
And why is nobody talking about the pick to end the game with over a minute left to play?
Because anyone with football knowledge knows it was a pick because Sills fell and Diggs ran his route for him
You must enjoy losing.
I enjoy watching football. You should try it.
I've watched way more football than you.
Would having those things matter?
Who will be better than Jones while having a bad OL and no WRs?
If they can find a better QB, do it. But there is no one out there except Stroud and Young where you can say yes, he will be better - and many here dont want Young
I see why people dont think Jones should stay, and dont disagree IF you can find someone better - and that will be the problem
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but more likely 25th best QB in the league.
And why is nobody talking about the pick to end the game with over a minute left to play?
Because anyone with football knowledge knows it was a pick because Sills fell and Diggs ran his route for him
You must enjoy losing.
I enjoy watching football. You should try it.
I've watched way more football than you.
Says the guy still adamantly blaming Jones for an INT where Sills fell down in his break as Jones was releasing the ball
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but more likely 25th best QB in the league.
Making some nice plays or have a couple of good games is meaningless if it's mixed in with subpar play, lack of production, and mistakes. A lot of bad QBs flash some decent play. We can't keep pretending Jones is better than he has shown and keep squandering years.
And why is nobody talking about the pick to end the game with over a minute left to play?
Because anyone with football knowledge knows it was a pick because Sills fell and Diggs ran his route for him
You must enjoy losing.
No your problem is your think you are right all the time and your not
Jones has crap around him and the line was a sieve last night and no got open except Sheppard who is out for the year and more than likely his career is over
He was JAG, again.
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If there's no better option in 2023, there probably won't be a better season from the QB position. Based on three seasons plus three games, I remain in the column of wanting to hit eject.
If Jomes had been the reason we won last night, THAT would have moved the needle.
He was JAG, again.
Agreed. If the Giants had somehow gone the length of the field and won the game in the final seconds last night, I might have a different perspective this morning. And the end of the drive was not his fault.
But fair's got nothing to do with it, as they say.
OP nailed it and I agree on all accounts. I don’t understand the nitpicking of every mistake or those holding out hope that he’ll be more than he is. We know what Jones is at this point.
it seems to me some here are arguing against ghosts.
he is 99% gone after this season. that is almost irrefutable, and I support it.
but for anyone who can't even acknowledge he has been put in a less than ideal situation or want to blame him for everything (like end of game INT's despite visual evidence to the contrary) aren't worth the time to have a discussion with.
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May be looking forward to a new start with a different organization that has their shit together. Not defending him but the amount of change and lack of support via quality players around him, would make it difficult for anyone to succeed
Nonsense. Great players persevere over adversity.
First,Jones did persevere. He and Barkley kept the Giants in the game. Second, give me the name of the QB that would have won the game last night with the same O line, the same amount of pressure, and same caliber WRs/TEs.
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But I also trust the current regime knows what they're doing. I thought it was right not to extend the contract, but I see him improving under constant fire. Fumbling seems to have disappeared. The decisions were good (generally), and he's as competitive as you can want. This is not Dave Brown. The guy has talent. But before chucking a guy - I need to know the alternative. Because BBI seems to think that it's Mahomes, Brady, Rodgers or bust. Would you want Russell Wilson now?
There’s a better chance Wilson returns to his old form at some point this season than Jones performing like prime Wilson, though
Ok, fair point...but Jones is improving, Wilson may be permanently declining. The issue is whether Jones has reached his ceiling, and I still think we don't know - but he's improved IMO. And the other issue is what you're giving up to find out. Signing Jones to one more year vs. trading the farm.
If the Giants are going to give Jones a new contract, he needs to be looked at against guys like Josh Allen and Lamar Jackson. Allen has overcome a bad OL and no running game. Jackson has overcome losing his best WR and LT. Burrow overcame an awful OL last year.
Jones doesn’t produce enough and there will be cheaper options next year with no drop off in production.
How about Brady & Rodgers Sunday ? Did they do much better than Jones ?
Well, let's see - for starters, those two have a bit more of a track record than Jones. For another thing, Tom Brady is 45 years old and Aaron Rodgers is 38 years old.
But his best just doesn't do it for me.
Time to move towards a different path at QB this next offseason...
But talent around him is so sub par makes it hard to know what really goes on
and no qb with this shitty protection last night would have success, doesnt really mater who u put in behind center
BUMP. Best thing I've heard.
But we all need to understand something. This guys 2 best receivers at getting separation are not on the field in Toney and Robinson. Shepard was our best WR and now he is done. We have a rookie RT who is still learning the footwork for the position and a rebuilt OL.
He has 3 turnovers in 3 games and 2 of them aren't his fault. He is improving but right now he cannot make up for the weaknesses on this team and carry them on his back, although he tried real hard last night.
Jones is here for this year. We really need to let this play out and see how it ends. He may surprise you, especially if we can get some production out of the WR's siting on the sideline.
5) He holds the ball too long and often does not feel the pressure around him in the pocket.
If he's holding the ball too long what do you think he's doing back there, ordering Chinese take-out?
Show us a post of you saying at anytime before this year...
We don't care if it's a different handle and it will prove you were right all along...
Did you catch that? There's a Twitter. That's gotta be a hell of a ride.
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If there's no better option in 2023, there probably won't be a better season from the QB position. Based on three seasons plus three games, I remain in the column of wanting to hit eject.
If Jomes had been the reason we won last night, THAT would have moved the needle.
He was JAG, again.
Agreed. If the Giants had somehow gone the length of the field and won the game in the final seconds last night, I might have a different perspective this morning. And the end of the drive was not his fault.
But fair's got nothing to do with it, as they say.
Not what ifs.
Boomer - ( New Window )
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you know you can find a post or two from the last few years.
Did you catch that? There's a Twitter. That's gotta be a hell of a ride.
St Albans used to post on here like it was Twitter...
@ColinCowherd
NYG fans pointing fingers at the problems. Your QB isn’t talented enough to ever be the SOLUTION. Salary caps create imperfections. Elite QB’s overcome those. Why Mcvay moved off Goff. Wanted SOLUTIONS in critical situations when shit hit the fan — like 4Q vs Tampa. DJ isn’t it.
St Albans used to post on here like it was Twitter...
I've tried to place the handle or at least the ridiculousness of the posts, and I just don't remember someone like it!
He sounds senile...DeMarcus Ware??
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you know you can find a post or two from the last few years.
Did you catch that? There's a Twitter. That's gotta be a hell of a ride.
St Albans used to post on here like it was Twitter...
Poor little dupe dumbass. Tell us LEH15, what did you do to get yourself suspended so you had to sneak back in here under your jimmy dumbass handle?
So go ahead and identify me, because I'm not a dupe. This has been my only handle here
And you never answer me LEH15, why did you get suspended so you had to sneak in under this new name?
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chucklehead to the end...
So go ahead and identify me, because I'm not a dupe. This has been my only handle here
And you never answer me LEH15, why did you get suspended so you had to sneak in under this new name?
I certainly did answer you.
And you are St. Albans or Daehelkcuhc spelled backwards...either works.
You have never even ADMITTED it!
You have never even ADMITTED it!
It’s right above chuckles. I said I can’t help you there. It’s not my handle...
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on why you were suspended from this site when you were posting as LEH15 and had to sneak back in under your current handle
You have never even ADMITTED it!
It’s right above chuckles. I said I can’t help you there. It’s not my handle...
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on why you were suspended from this site when you were posting as LEH15 and had to sneak back in under your current handle
You have never even ADMITTED it!
It’s right above chuckles. I said I can’t help you there. It’s not my handle...
Liar