Is this a baseline at least the majority of us can agree on?
1) He plays hard and tough and is giving everything he has to this team.
2) He can make plays with his legs and is good when he tucks it and runs.
3) When he has time and is in rhythm he can make some very nice throws downfield.
4) When his first read is not open, Jones struggles to make second and third reads.
5) He holds the ball too long and often does not feel the pressure around him in the pocket.
6) He will likely not get a second contract with the Giants.
7) He will likely sign somewhere else as a bridge/competition guy or high end backup.
I am accused of being a Jones basher, but I think this is a pretty middle-of-the road take on the guy.
You are a liar and a dupe
Is his 2nd read open?
Was he flushed to the opposite side of the field from his #2?
Too many variables.
What I see is a player that is still trying not to lose.
I realize that when he was forced to step up that he likely saw that he could get a 1st down and didn't look to fit a ball downfield into a window. Jones needs to make a big play, he needs to take opportunities, ignore the peanut gallery and put the ball in the endzone.
With this team, he's going to be limited...but he has to take shots. He's got to be the reason the Giants win. Not Barkley, not the defense.
Plus it was drilled into his head for the last 2 years to not take any chances, or shots down the field
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The 2 camps are more divided on how Jones should be evaluated than the evaluation itself at this point.
Camp A argues that because of the talent around him, you can't prove he sucks.
Camp B argues that because he hasn't played well, you can't prove he is good.
In the 4th year, it no longer matters if you can't prove he sucks. He needs to be demonstrably, consistently good
Yep. Time's up, basically. This is not the 80s, or even the early 00s. Cap rules + rookie contracts mean that the Giants can't wait for the roster to get better around Jones. Either Jones gets better this year, now, or the Giants move on. There's no viable middle ground.
He had a decent game last night under adversity. If that were year 2 I would have been all in. It's year 4; you need more than that.
If after watching Monday night and seeing what he had to do to make any plays you still think this kid sucks your all blind. some of the analysis on the sight is just God awful. When he is able to step up in the pocket and make a real throw let me know. Last ime that occurred was when Gates was the C. Hopefully he will be back after game 6 will not hold my breath though. DJ like any QB needs time. Take a look at Brady's stats this year. I believe he has no TD's in the 1st half, does he all of a sudden suck, is he not seeing his 2nd read? He is not mobile, his OL is playing like dog crap due to injuries along their OL.
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The 2 camps are more divided on how Jones should be evaluated than the evaluation itself at this point.
Camp A argues that because of the talent around him, you can't prove he sucks.
Camp B argues that because he hasn't played well, you can't prove he is good.
In the 4th year, it no longer matters if you can't prove he sucks. He needs to be demonstrably, consistently good
Yep. Time's up, basically. This is not the 80s, or even the early 00s. Cap rules + rookie contracts mean that the Giants can't wait for the roster to get better around Jones. Either Jones gets better this year, now, or the Giants move on. There's no viable middle ground.
He had a decent game last night under adversity. If that were year 2 I would have been all in. It's year 4; you need more than that.
If after watching Monday night and seeing what he had to do to make any plays you still think this kid sucks your all blind. some of the analysis on the sight is just God awful. When he is able to step up in the pocket and make a real throw let me know. Last ime that occurred was when Gates was the C. Hopefully he will be back after game 6 will not hold my breath though. DJ like any QB needs time. Take a look at Brady's stats this year. I believe he has no TD's in the 1st half, does he all of a sudden suck, is he not seeing his 2nd read? He is not mobile, his OL is playing like dog crap due to injuries along their OL.
Jones had a good game, I agree.
However at this point in his career it's the equivalent of having an empty gas tank and putting in $2 worth of gas. Didn't move the needle much
Because finding common ground in a discussion is what humans try to do. Setting a baseline that everyone can agree to allows the conversation to become more nuanced and go beyond "he sucks" "oh yeah, you suck."
This board will always have the "I have an opinion and fuck you if you disagree with me" posters. This thread wasn't intended for them/you.
Yeah, I'm not sure why ever since the Giants didn't pick up the 5th year option, the narrative has been that they'd be left with only these three choices at the end of the year:
A) sign him to a big contract
B) use the franchise tag on him
C) let him go
Everyone seems to agree he's not worth a big contract right now, so who else would be offering him this big contract that would necessitate A or B if the Giants decide they'd like to keep him around? I wouldn't at all be surprised if it ended up as
D) let him shop himself around as a starter and then sign him to a reasonable contract when he finds nobody considers him worth a big contract.
that and the asshole jones-hater fans. if you grew up in the area, you understand that critical over-the-top hyperbolic mentality, but if not, wtf would you want to put up with that sh*t?
after all, we won with hostetler who wasn't an all-pro or considered a top-10 QB. Jones certainly could develop into a top 10-15 QB.
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May be looking forward to a new start with a different organization that has their shit together. Not defending him but the amount of change and lack of support via quality players around him, would make it difficult for anyone to succeed
that and the asshole jones-hater fans. if you grew up in the area, you understand that critical over-the-top hyperbolic mentality, but if not, wtf would you want to put up with that sh*t?