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Michael Lombardi - “Daboll doesn’t trust Jones”

JoeyBigBlue : 9/27/2022 1:20 pm
In the latest GM Shuffle, Lombardi claims that it’s obvious that Daboll doesn’t fully trust Jones. He specifically references the end of the the 2nd quarter. Giants get the ball from the Cowboys with 2:30 seconds left until halftime, with all 3 timeouts. Instead of running a two minute drill to get some points, Daboll is perfectly fine with sitting on the ball and going into half time. Hard to argue against this. It probably is a reflection on Daboll’s outlook on Jones.
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Maybe Lombardi Was Watching a Different Game  
clatterbuck : 9/27/2022 2:10 pm : link
in his head --one in which Giants WRs were open at all levels and the O-line gave Jones a perfect pocket from which to operate. What a dipshit take on what might have been the best game of Jones's career. Personally, given the horrendous protection and the terrible WR play, I was screaming for the Giants to "run the damn ball" more. Look. Jones might not be "the guy" but he played his heart out last night, kept his eyes downfield under tremendous pressure, ran for 80 yds, and made some really good throws. He was fearless. Lombardi once again proves he's very bad at his job.
So some of you believe Lombardi?  
section125 : 9/27/2022 2:11 pm : link
The reported hated by BBIers the most...
ALmost all teams are very careful about starting a 2 minute drill at half. The usually try to get to midfield before using timeouts so that there is no chance that the opponent can get the ball back with 1:30 left.

The ignorance here is appalling.
RE: Nobody with a straight face can argue that Daboll  
81_Great_Dane : 9/27/2022 2:12 pm : link
In comment 15835317 robbieballs2003 said:
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doesn't trust Jones when they went for it on 4th and 2 with the risk of not converting that could have lead to 3 points the other way.
The whole sequence was weird and the logic behind it is unclear. They had time and all three timeouts. It was a perfect spot for a 2-minute drill.

But they made no effort to run that kind of offense, or to preserve clock, or to seem to really go for a score. Prior to the fourth down play, the thinking seemed to be: "Let's not give Dallas the ball back, or if we do, let's not leave them time to work. If we can get into field goal range, great. If not, we get the ball to start the second half."

And then they get to the fourth down play, and that thinking seems to change. They took a big risk on that play, because Dallas could have (and did) completed one pass and gotten into field goal range.

My conclusion: Daboll doesn't trust the Giants' O to run a 2-minute drill. It's not clear whether it's Jones he doesn't trust, or the line, or the receivers, or someone else. Maybe he hasn't liked what he's seen of the 2-minute O in practice. But that was a very cautious, even timid, way to handle the end of the half — until it wasn't.
IMO Daboll doesn't trust the passing game  
UConn4523 : 9/27/2022 2:12 pm : link
that I buy. The combination of Jones, the OL and WR's doesn't inspire confidence and the OL was the big culprit lastnight followed by the WR's.
RE: RE: Nobody with a straight face can argue that Daboll  
robbieballs2003 : 9/27/2022 2:17 pm : link
In comment 15835400 81_Great_Dane said:
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In comment 15835317 robbieballs2003 said:


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doesn't trust Jones when they went for it on 4th and 2 with the risk of not converting that could have lead to 3 points the other way.

The whole sequence was weird and the logic behind it is unclear. They had time and all three timeouts. It was a perfect spot for a 2-minute drill.

But they made no effort to run that kind of offense, or to preserve clock, or to seem to really go for a score. Prior to the fourth down play, the thinking seemed to be: "Let's not give Dallas the ball back, or if we do, let's not leave them time to work. If we can get into field goal range, great. If not, we get the ball to start the second half."

And then they get to the fourth down play, and that thinking seems to change. They took a big risk on that play, because Dallas could have (and did) completed one pass and gotten into field goal range.

My conclusion: Daboll doesn't trust the Giants' O to run a 2-minute drill. It's not clear whether it's Jones he doesn't trust, or the line, or the receivers, or someone else. Maybe he hasn't liked what he's seen of the 2-minute O in practice. But that was a very cautious, even timid, way to handle the end of the half — until it wasn't.


Listen, I agree with the timeouts. I was yelling to call them. With that said. The ball was close to the players so they just got lined up and called the play at the line of scrimmage. They weren't letting the clock run down to 1 before snapping the ball. Tom Brady has mentioned this before that they purposely would let the clock dwindle and their mentality was FG or clock run out. The other team would never get the ball back. There is a difference between not trusting your QB and having a certain philosophy. This did not scream that Daboll doesn’t trust Jones at all.
Jones played a good game last night  
j_rud : 9/27/2022 2:20 pm : link
I thought he read the field well especially considering the pressure. There were several comments by the broadcast team re: Jones continuing to look downfield as he extended plays and scrambled. He's also making better decisions as a runner.

Strange morning-after to have a bone to pick with Jones. He, Thomas, and Barkley are the only ones who showed up on that side of the ball.
I can't read through this whole thread,  
Mike in Long Beach : 9/27/2022 2:25 pm : link
so I don't know if it's been said... but the lack of a two-minute drill at the end of the half was not an indictment of Jones. It was an indictment of the whole offense, and rightfully so. In fact, if he didn't milk down the clock as much as he did, Dallas would've likely been in a position to kick a much easier field goal as opposed to the 57 yarder (which he missed).

It was perfectly played by Daboll. If you happen to make a play or two and get within striking distance, start burning your timeouts and go for it. If you don't? Play it safe and don't give Dallas a chance to tack on points.
save Pat Leonard, Lombardi is the biggest asshole  
Victor in CT : 9/27/2022 2:32 pm : link
around.
Daboll  
RetroJint : 9/27/2022 2:35 pm : link
doesn’t trust his Oline & receivers . Jones might be a bit slow in his progressions . But over the first 3 games he’s getting the crap kicked out of him. All 11 defenders are featured prominently in your TV screen . And nobody can get behind a DB . It’s a claustrophobic environment .
Man  
OlyWABigBlue : 9/27/2022 2:36 pm : link
Lombardi is just stirring the shit and oddly, some are tasting the recipe.
RE: IMO Daboll doesn't trust the passing game  
JB_in_DC : 9/27/2022 2:40 pm : link
In comment 15835401 UConn4523 said:
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that I buy. The combination of Jones, the OL and WR's doesn't inspire confidence and the OL was the big culprit lastnight followed by the WR's.


Yeah. If Jones has time in the pocket and good targets, I think Daboll’s approach would be a lot more indicative of Jones-specific distrust.

This passing offense is bottom 5 in the league, Daboll is coaching to win, but when you’re EPA (or insert metric) is what our passing game’s is, you can’t call games like the Bills do.
Interesting Take from Dan Schneier -Offense Made Progress  
clatterbuck : 9/27/2022 2:48 pm : link
"Excluding the last gasp drive, the #Giants went 3-and-out just 2-of-9 series, scored or got to 50 on every other, and totaled nearly 350 in a game they allowed the most pressures of ANY team this year.
DJ and Kafka created yards from nothing.
The offense made progress in Week 3."
Lombardi  
Cheech d : 9/27/2022 2:53 pm : link
Lombardi is a jerk off and a click baiter.
Daboll is evaluating everything and his might eyes tell him he shouldn’t trust the offensive line, the receivers or the quarterback in certain situations.
My eyes tell me that Jones is low on the list of players he doesn’t trust right now.
He kept them in the game last night with his arm, his legs and his toughness.
Lombardi should pick another game for killing Jones.
Can’t stand him!!
It's..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 9/27/2022 2:54 pm : link
not even 3PM on Tuesday and ajr has already posted a couple hundred times about Jones today.

If someone triggers a guy that much to waste days typing about him - it might be time to seek help or take a pause.

People who came away from that game with the impression that Jones is terrible or that he can't be trusted are just blinded by hatred.

I bet Vegas took a bath last week on the over/under 100 Jones post quota. They have to up their game as ajr continues to flounder in his.
Could be Jones..,  
2ndroundKO : 9/27/2022 2:57 pm : link
could be the rest of the offense. Who knows?
RE: Jones just doesn't have IT  
VinegarPeppers : 9/27/2022 2:57 pm : link
So he made the Neal look bad huh? Geez! He holds the ball because nobody's open. We have the worst OL and worst WR ROOM in the NFL and it's the worst room we've had in what, 30 years?

In comment 15835315 GiantBlue said:
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He holds the ball too long and makes poor decisions.

He will be a fine back-up to some team.
RE: IMO Daboll doesn't trust the passing game  
SirLoinOfBeef : 9/27/2022 2:58 pm : link
In comment 15835401 UConn4523 said:
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that I buy. The combination of Jones, the OL and WR's doesn't inspire confidence and the OL was the big culprit lastnight followed by the WR's.


That sounds more like it.
He's Earning Trust  
blright : 9/27/2022 3:08 pm : link
I don't care what Lombardi says. Maybe Daboll didn't trust the offensive line because Jones was running for his life the entire game.

I feel like this is really Jones' second year in the NFL, and he's progressing now that he has a legit coaching staff. He just looks better. Is he a franchise QB? Jury is out, but at least you can now see a trajectory.
In the end, you're not likely to lose money  
BlackLight : 9/27/2022 3:14 pm : link
betting on the Giants and Daboll moving on from Daniel Jones after this season is over. Even before you consider the quality of Jones's play, there are good reasons to make that bet.

But just relying on those assumptions to make the prediction doesn't help a football pundit who needs people to pay attention to him to maintain a career as a football pundit. So you have start getting out over your skis and making statements like "Daboll doesn't trust Daniel Jones" - the evidence for which is tenuous.
There are other reason why he ran out the clock then  
BillT : 9/27/2022 3:14 pm : link
Having the Cowboys teeing off on our OL and Jones by running a typical 2 minute drill was a recipe for disaster. He approached it carefully and killed the clock and almost got into FG range anyway. Getting off the field 6-3 was a win for the Giants.
End of the first half was odd all-around. I am not sure Daboll  
Jimmy Googs : 9/27/2022 3:20 pm : link
knew what he was doing, or what he wanted to accomplish quite frankly.

Some day this team will score touchdowns again.

Some day...

Lombardi's full of shit  
WillieYoung : 9/27/2022 3:23 pm : link
We passed on first down (turned into a scramble because surprise the line didn't hold up. Ran a draw on second and passed several times after that. problem is once we are not in a running situation the line can't hold up.
If it was apparent Daboll didn’t trust someone  
mfsd : 9/27/2022 3:28 pm : link
it was his OL, not Jones

But by all means lap up whatever new fake controversy this clown shovels in your dish if it makes you happy
I don't buy it...Daboll would have clearly had Jones take a knee  
KingBlue : 9/27/2022 3:31 pm : link
If Dabs didn't trust Jones, he would have clearly had Jones take a knee on 2nd and 3rd down.

Lombardi is talking out of his ass... Did Jones take a knee?

Yeah, I didn't think so.
Lombardi is BENEATH CONTEMPT.  
Red Dog : 9/27/2022 3:35 pm : link
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I've been critical of Jones in the past  
OBJ_AllDay : 9/27/2022 4:07 pm : link
But there aren't too many qbs in the league who would have fared much better in yesterdays game under those circumstances. He played very well considering.
I don't buy this at all  
gmen4ever : 9/27/2022 4:10 pm : link
Makes no sense
RE: It's..  
ajr2456 : 9/27/2022 4:18 pm : link
In comment 15835475 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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not even 3PM on Tuesday and ajr has already posted a couple hundred times about Jones today.

If someone triggers a guy that much to waste days typing about him - it might be time to seek help or take a pause.

People who came away from that game with the impression that Jones is terrible or that he can't be trusted are just blinded by hatred.

I bet Vegas took a bath last week on the over/under 100 Jones post quota. They have to up their game as ajr continues to flounder in his.


It’s weird that you follow me around and post almost exclusively about me. I’m sure the hookers are cheap enough in Charlotte you can get your fix there.

And 100 is quit the exaggeration. I’ve also said in multiple posts Jones wasn’t at fault for last night and played ok. I’ve posted about saqoun and how we should resign him and how his blocking as improved. And how the time to throw stat lacks the context that people are making assumptions on Jones for. But sure keep up your narratives.

Your obsession with me is weird
Misplaced hate  
Thegratefulhead : 9/27/2022 4:18 pm : link
No one hates Jones, they think he sucks, you insufferable twats.

They hate you!

Really, it is your ridiculous arguments and subjective reasoning that people hate.

Jones?

He just isn't good enough.

You are a bunch of babies that get your panties in a big bunched up wad when people criticize Ya Boi. I am sure that is very, very uncomfortable for you. That is no reason to turn into a toddler.

Buy some nice boxers, not from Walmart.

It's better.
RE: This is pretty damn apparent  
Hammer : 9/27/2022 4:23 pm : link
In comment 15835258 BigBlue7 said:
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And it's not that he doesn't trust Jones to make the right throw - he doesn't trust Jones to get the ball out to the right read on time.

Most of the frustration I have seen from Daboll on the sidelines is when Jones comes of his first read and then throws the ball away.

So it's not a frustration with Jones being wreckless, but more of a frustration for Jones not seeing the whole field and pulling the trigger.

Would love if there was an All 22 breakdown of every pass play to show what was supposed to happen vs what actually happened.


How do you know this?
RE: Misplaced hate  
Thunderstruck27 : 9/27/2022 4:24 pm : link
In comment 15835644 Thegratefulhead said:
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No one hates Jones, they think he sucks, you insufferable twats.

They hate you!

Really, it is your ridiculous arguments and subjective reasoning that people hate.

Jones?

He just isn't good enough.

You are a bunch of babies that get your panties in a big bunched up wad when people criticize Ya Boi. I am sure that is very, very uncomfortable for you. That is no reason to turn into a toddler.

Buy some nice boxers, not from Walmart.

It's better.


You sound like a lunatic. Take a break...we get it, Jones sucks.
During the first two games and parts of last night  
JonC : 9/27/2022 4:32 pm : link
yes I'd agree, they're being very specific with what's called for Jones and they're trying to guide him through the action while everyone comes up to speed on the new system. This also applies to the OL and the skill players. Collectively and also each man has to demonstrate a grasp of assignments.

Also, last night it sure seemed like they loosened the handcuffs on Jones and gave him some options, they moved protection, ran more vertical route combos to try and get the ball downfield and open up some space.
Never big in moments that matter  
Thegratefulhead : 9/27/2022 4:39 pm : link
For everyone's talk about the OL and skill players, that was a very, very competitive game until late in the 4th quarter. If Jones could have thrown a perfect, indefensible pass or 2 in key moments, we win that game.

We have lost a lot of close games during his career.

I hold him accountable for his play.
RE: He doesn't trust him but  
djm : 9/27/2022 4:40 pm : link
In comment 15835250 Giantimistic said:
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goes for it on 4th and 2 on the 50 and throws a pass.

Not sure I buy this.

Maybe he doesn't trust his oline yet.


Thank you.

I smell bullshit. He doesn't trust him but yet.... does trust him.

RE: During the first two games and parts of last night  
section125 : 9/27/2022 4:41 pm : link
In comment 15835669 JonC said:
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yes I'd agree, they're being very specific with what's called for Jones and they're trying to guide him through the action while everyone comes up to speed on the new system. This also applies to the OL and the skill players. Collectively and also each man has to demonstrate a grasp of assignments.

Also, last night it sure seemed like they loosened the handcuffs on Jones and gave him some options, they moved protection, ran more vertical route combos to try and get the ball downfield and open up some space.


Thank you JonC. It seemed like a different offense and a different Jones last night. Still tries to make plays holding the ball too long, but it sure looked like a loosening of the reins. I liked it. Too many dropped balls and that bogus PI called on Shep killed them - well, as did Feliciano 8 yards down field on the screen...
RE: During the first two games and parts of last night  
ColHowPepper : 9/27/2022 4:50 pm : link
In comment 15835669 JonC said:
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yes I'd agree, they're being very specific with what's called for Jones and they're trying to guide him through the action while everyone comes up to speed on the new system. This also applies to the OL and the skill players. Collectively and also each man has to demonstrate a grasp of assignments.

Also, last night it sure seemed like they loosened the handcuffs on Jones and gave him some options, they moved protection, ran more vertical route combos to try and get the ball downfield and open up some space.

Agree here too. One of the best plays last night imo was one I've not seen mentioned, midway or so through first quarter: Jones takes the snap (don't recall if under C) wheels clockwise and toward the far sideline as if he's on a designed run or roll-out, the S releases on Bellinger closes on Jones, who gets it to Bellinger on time and accurately toward the far sideline, ~ 9 yards gain. It was a play I've seen run by NFL offenses! Imagine that.
I thought Bellinger had a decent night in the passing game, one of the very few 'reliable' targets.
Looked To Me  
Bernie : 9/27/2022 4:55 pm : link
That they were trying to push the ball deep but DJ didn’t like what he saw so he held it and that’s when the pressure came. In the 4th qtr, I was yelling at the TV for him to just let it rip. This offense needs to develop confidence.
Maybe he doesn't trust the o line and receivers  
kelly : 9/27/2022 5:34 pm : link
That's where the problem was
Lombardi is a moron  
Jerry in_DC : 9/27/2022 6:08 pm : link
But it couldn't be more obvious that they don't trust Jones. Just watch the games. It looks like they're calling plays for a 3rd round rookie.
RE: Looked To Me  
speedywheels : 9/27/2022 6:19 pm : link
In comment 15835693 Bernie said:
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That they were trying to push the ball deep but DJ didn’t like what he saw so he held it and that’s when the pressure came. In the 4th qtr, I was yelling at the TV for him to just let it rip. This offense needs to develop confidence.


So he's supposed to throw it to a receiver is completely covered ( or into double/triple) coverage, just so he can "let it rip"?

He holds on to the ball because the shit we have for WR can't get any separation at all
RE: Lombardi is a moron  
speedywheels : 9/27/2022 6:20 pm : link
In comment 15835763 Jerry in_DC said:
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But it couldn't be more obvious that they don't trust Jones. Just watch the games. It looks like they're calling plays for a 3rd round rookie.


You may watch the games, but with that comment, it's pretty clear you don't know what you're watching...
A couple things  
BSIMatt : 9/27/2022 6:46 pm : link
This guy is a complete imbecile.

You can easily argue against it, starting and ending with…take a look at that pass pro and the dudes running routes Lombardi. It’s quite literally that fucking cut and dry.
RE: RE: Because you can’t just not pass the ball and run  
santacruzom : 9/27/2022 8:03 pm : link
In comment 15835366 robbieballs2003 said:
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It every time. Look at the ways the plays have been called. They don’t trust him to let it rip and attack. Some of it’s not Jones’ fault, but some of it is.



Lmfao. So where is the evidence he doesn't trust Jones. Still waiting.


If the evidence consists of a game in which Jones never throws a pass, I don't think you'll ever see it.
...  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 9/27/2022 8:06 pm : link
We have way too many Michael Lombardi threads on BBI.
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arcarsenal : 9/27/2022 8:08 pm : link
It's not that Daboll doesn't trust Jones. He lacks confidence in the entire operation.. meaning, the pass blocking, which was virtually non-existent, and the pass-catching group which has to be the worst in the NFL at this point.

Jones is only one piece, and last night, the offensive woes were not his fault.
RE: Maybe he doesn't trust the o line and receivers  
No1MDGiantsFan : 9/27/2022 8:08 pm : link
In comment 15835741 kelly said:
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That's where the problem was


It’s really this simple and obvious
RE: RE: RE: They also wouldn't have continued to pass the ball.  
giantstock : 9/27/2022 8:28 pm : link
In comment 15835339 robbieballs2003 said:
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They would have ran tbe clock out. It is unreal arguing this.



And what concede the game? Based on this logic the only way they don’t trust Jones is if they run the ball every play?



ajr, you are smarter than this. You're hatred for Jones is clouding this argument for you.


No he isn't smarter than this.

You should've read the postgame thread. He hates Jones so he makes things up just to stay in an argument.
RE: RE: RE: RE: They also wouldn't have continued to pass the ball.  
ajr2456 : 9/27/2022 8:50 pm : link
In comment 15835960 giantstock said:
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They would have ran tbe clock out. It is unreal arguing this.



And what concede the game? Based on this logic the only way they don’t trust Jones is if they run the ball every play?



ajr, you are smarter than this. You're hatred for Jones is clouding this argument for you.



No he isn't smarter than this.

You should've read the postgame thread. He hates Jones so he makes things up just to stay in an argument.


This is weird because I didn’t post in the game thread. Maybe you’re not smart?
Of course, we could always go to Daboll's own words to check  
Tom in NY : 9/27/2022 9:15 pm : link
From today's presser:

Q: When you look back at last night and the way Daniel played given the unrest that he was in and some of the things he created, what did you see there? And what kind of a step forward was that for him for a lack of a better way to put it?

A: I think he’s made steps each game. I thought he played well yesterday. He was under some duress. He escaped. He made some loose plays. He did some things with his feet. He made some good throws. He competed his tail off. I thought all the guys competed. I thought we played hard, and we competed for 60 minutes. We just lacked on some other things that caused us to have the result that we had. I thought he was really good on the sideline. Again, I think he’s improved every game. He’s really improved every practice, and he was a good leader out there. And he competed as hard as he could compete and gave us a chance.
I can't believe the nonsense in this thread ..  
DefenseWins : 9/27/2022 9:39 pm : link
Some of you have completely lost it
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