In the latest GM Shuffle, Lombardi claims that it’s obvious that Daboll doesn’t fully trust Jones. He specifically references the end of the the 2nd quarter. Giants get the ball from the Cowboys with 2:30 seconds left until halftime, with all 3 timeouts. Instead of running a two minute drill to get some points, Daboll is perfectly fine with sitting on the ball and going into half time. Hard to argue against this. It probably is a reflection on Daboll’s outlook on Jones.
Not sure I buy this.
Maybe he doesn't trust his oline yet.
And it's not that he doesn't trust Jones to make the right throw - he doesn't trust Jones to get the ball out to the right read on time.
Most of the frustration I have seen from Daboll on the sidelines is when Jones comes of his first read and then throws the ball away.
So it's not a frustration with Jones being wreckless, but more of a frustration for Jones not seeing the whole field and pulling the trigger.
Would love if there was an All 22 breakdown of every pass play to show what was supposed to happen vs what actually happened.
Stop with facts. That's not allowed. Feelings are what matter.
Most of the frustration I have seen from Daboll on the sidelines is when Jones comes of his first read and then throws the ball away.
So it's not a frustration with Jones being wreckless, but more of a frustration for Jones not seeing the whole field and pulling the trigger.
well now you're just extrapolating bullshit
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Most of the frustration I have seen from Daboll on the sidelines is when Jones comes of his first read and then throws the ball away.
So it's not a frustration with Jones being wreckless, but more of a frustration for Jones not seeing the whole field and pulling the trigger.
well now you're just extrapolating bullshit
"I don't have any other counterpoints so I will just go right for a personal attack"
There was no urgency in that drive. On the first play Jones ran for a a yard and they let the clock run down to the 2 minute warning. On the next play Jones runs for 10 yards, and they let the clock run down to 1:35. It’s pretty apparent that they could’ve done a ton more if they wanted to score on that drive.
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Most of the frustration I have seen from Daboll on the sidelines is when Jones comes of his first read and then throws the ball away.
So it's not a frustration with Jones being wreckless, but more of a frustration for Jones not seeing the whole field and pulling the trigger.
well now you're just extrapolating bullshit
"I don't have any other counterpoints so I will just go right for a personal attack"
How many balls has Jones thrown away?
Not sure I buy this.
Maybe he doesn't trust his oline yet.
Had no issue going for it, but you need to run something down the field more if your going to do it. Can't leave the cowboys time to run 2 plays following a miss there.
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There was no urgency in that drive. On the first play Jones ran for a a yard and they let the clock run down to the 2 minute warning. On the next play Jones runs for 10 yards, and they let the clock run down to 1:35. It’s pretty apparent that they could’ve done a ton more if they wanted to score on that drive.
They were in a hurry up offense calling the play on the fly. They weren't sitting on the ball. It is amazing what people think they see.
Where do people come up with this shit?
Daboll could be having an illicit love affair with Jones and there would STILL be absolutely no reason for him to believe that THIS offense could hold up in a two-minute drill.
This particular example is absolutely pathetic "proof" as to whether or not Daboll thinks Jones can perform his function competently.
How was it apparent when they went for it on 4th and 2? Holy shit.
And it's not that he doesn't trust Jones to make the right throw - he doesn't trust Jones to get the ball out to the right read on time.
Most of the frustration I have seen from Daboll on the sidelines is when Jones comes of his first read and then throws the ball away.
How many times did he "throw the ball away" last night?
Then compare that with the number of times he was running for his life and/or got sacked
So it's not a frustration with Jones being wreckless, but more of a frustration for Jones not seeing the whole field and pulling the trigger.
Would love if there was an All 22 breakdown of every pass play to show what was supposed to happen vs what actually happened.
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But it was very apparent in that drive that Daboll was content to go into half time. I think even Aikman mentioned it on the broadcast.
How was it apparent when they went for it on 4th and 2? Holy shit.
What are you talking about ? They never got to 4th and 2 on that drive.
And it's not that he doesn't trust Jones to make the right throw - he doesn't trust Jones to get the ball out to the right read on time.
Most of the frustration I have seen from Daboll on the sidelines is when Jones comes of his first read and then throws the ball away.
So it's not a frustration with Jones being wreckless, but more of a frustration for Jones not seeing the whole field and pulling the trigger.
Would love if there was an All 22 breakdown of every pass play to show what was supposed to happen vs what actually happened.
How many times did Jones "throw the ball away" last night?
Compare that to how many times was he running for his life and/or got sacked?
He actually picked Philadelphia this season.
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But it was very apparent in that drive that Daboll was content to go into half time. I think even Aikman mentioned it on the broadcast.
How was it apparent when they went for it on 4th and 2? Holy shit.
What are you talking about ? They never got to 4th and 2 on that drive.
I was at the game. They went for it on 4th down and didn't get it. Dallas got the ball back and drove a little bit and missed the FG.
What are you talking about ? They never got to 4th and 2 on that drive.
Yes. Yes they did.
Game play by play - ( New Window )
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But it was very apparent in that drive that Daboll was content to go into half time. I think even Aikman mentioned it on the broadcast.
How was it apparent when they went for it on 4th and 2? Holy shit.
What are you talking about ? They never got to 4th and 2 on that drive.
I was at the game. They went for it on 4th down and didn't get it. Dallas got the ball back and drove a little bit and missed the FG.
1st & 10 at NYG 20
(2:30 - 2nd) D.Jones scrambles right end pushed ob at NYG 21 for 1 yard (C.Golston).
(2:30 - 2nd) Two-Minute Warning
2nd & 9 at NYG 21
(2:00 - 2nd) (Shotgun) D.Jones up the middle to NYG 31 for 10 yards (D.Lawrence).
1st & 10 at NYG 31
(1:35 - 2nd) (No Huddle, Shotgun) D.Jones pass short middle to R.James to NYG 45 for 14 yards (J.Lewis).
1st & 10 at NYG 45
(1:15 - 2nd) (No Huddle, Shotgun) D.Jones sacked at NYG 42 for -3 yards (D.Lawrence).
(1:15 - 2nd) Timeout #1 by DAL at 00:42.
2nd & 13 at NYG 42
(0:42 - 2nd) (Shotgun) D.Jones pass incomplete short right.
3rd & 13 at NYG 42
(0:35 - 2nd) (Shotgun) D.Jones pass deep right to K.Golladay to DAL 38 for 20 yards (M.Hooker) [D.Armstrong]. DAL-T.Diggs was injured during the play. PENALTY on NYG-S.Shepard, Offensive Pass Interference, 10 yards, enforced at NYG 42 - No Play.
3rd & 23 at NYG 32
(0:24 - 2nd) (Shotgun) D.Jones pass short left to S.Barkley to DAL 47 for 21 yards (L.Vander Esch; D.Wilson).
(0:24 - 2nd) Timeout #2 by DAL at 00:10.
4th & 2 at DAL 47
(0:10 - 2nd) (Shotgun) D.Jones pass incomplete short left to K.Golladay.
(0:08 - 2nd) Timeout #1 by NYG at 00:08.
I was fine with it but the pass to Golladay was the questionable part. I thought we could have come up with something better.
Not trusting Jones is an answer in a vacuum but what about not trusting my Oline, or my shitty WR's to able to do anything!!!!
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But it was very apparent in that drive that Daboll was content to go into half time. I think even Aikman mentioned it on the broadcast.
How was it apparent when they went for it on 4th and 2? Holy shit.
What are you talking about ? They never got to 4th and 2 on that drive.
I was at the game. They went for it on 4th down and didn't get it. Dallas got the ball back and drove a little bit and missed the FG.
My bad, you’re right. I forgot they picked up 21 yards on a Barkley short pass.
He will be a fine back-up to some team.
Yeah, it doesn't make sense.
The only thing I can think of is that he saw how the pressure was constant and didn't "Trust" that to fix itself before the half. That would make sense to me. Once we had a little momentum his decision to keep going made sense to me.
One play doesn’t make the point false.
He will be a fine back-up to some team.
Another yahoo I see.
The line was like the Red Sea opening with Moses. It was terrible most of the night. He was pressured 22 times last night, that is not on him
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doesn't trust Jones when they went for it on 4th and 2 with the risk of not converting that could have lead to 3 points the other way.
One play doesn’t make the point false.
Yes it does. If he didn't trust Jones he would have punted.
It was 10 seconds to go on the Dal 47. Daboll called a safe play to Golladay who should of made the catch and put the team in FG range. There wasn’t much of gamble.
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doesn't trust Jones when they went for it on 4th and 2 with the risk of not converting that could have lead to 3 points the other way.
It was 10 seconds to go on the Dal 47. Daboll called a safe play to Golladay who should of made the catch and put the team in FG range. There wasn’t much of gamble.
Are you serious? They almost gave up 3 points to Dallas by not converting. I feel like I am dealing with such stubborn people trying to validate this moron's point.
Why would they have to?
And what concede the game? Based on this logic the only way they don’t trust Jones is if they run the ball every play?
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And still go for it in that spot because they felt they had to.
Why would they have to?
Because the data supports going for it and the team needed to get some points.
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They would have ran tbe clock out. It is unreal arguing this.
And what concede the game? Based on this logic the only way they don’t trust Jones is if they run the ball every play?
ajr, you are smarter than this. You're hatred for Jones is clouding this argument for you.
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And still go for it in that spot because they felt they had to.
Why would they have to?
Because the data supports going for it and the team needed to get some points.
So what is the argument, Daboll doesn't trust Jones but goes for it anyway? Isn't thst the exact opposite of what Lombardi is saying?
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doesn't trust Jones when they went for it on 4th and 2 with the risk of not converting that could have lead to 3 points the other way.
It was 10 seconds to go on the Dal 47. Daboll called a safe play to Golladay who should of made the catch and put the team in FG range. There wasn’t much of gamble.
Are you serious? They almost gave up 3 points to Dallas by not converting. I feel like I am dealing with such stubborn people trying to validate this moron's point.
It was a slight gamble. Golladay should of made the catch, and it would of been difficult for Maher to make a 55+ yard kicks with in an outdoor stadium.
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And still go for it in that spot because they felt they had to.
Why would they have to?
Because the data supports going for it and the team needed to get some points.
So what is the argument, Daboll doesn't trust Jones but goes for it anyway? Isn't thst the exact opposite of what Lombardi is saying?
It’s not because you’re isolating one play and making a conclusion about it. Look at the full three weeks as a whole and not individual play calls
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doesn't trust Jones when they went for it on 4th and 2 with the risk of not converting that could have lead to 3 points the other way.
It was 10 seconds to go on the Dal 47. Daboll called a safe play to Golladay who should of made the catch and put the team in FG range. There wasn’t much of gamble.
Are you serious? They almost gave up 3 points to Dallas by not converting. I feel like I am dealing with such stubborn people trying to validate this moron's point.
It was a slight gamble. Golladay should of made the catch, and it would of been difficult for Maher to make a 55+ yard kicks with in an outdoor stadium.
You don't need to explain the gamble to me. I know what the benefits and consequences were. But if the point being made is you don't trust your QB, which is complete bullshit, then why not punt it away and go into half time? If you don't trust the QB then you don't ask him to convert a 4th and 2 or throw the ball every play on that drive.
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And still go for it in that spot because they felt they had to.
Why would they have to?
Because the data supports going for it and the team needed to get some points.
So what is the argument, Daboll doesn't trust Jones but goes for it anyway? Isn't thst the exact opposite of what Lombardi is saying?
It’s not because you’re isolating one play and making a conclusion about it. Look at the full three weeks as a whole and not individual play calls
I'm not isolating one play. Why did he pass on every play in that series?
Lmfao. So where is the evidence he doesn't trust Jones. Still waiting.
Again, lmfao. Not trusting Jones other than putting the ball in his hands every play thay series. It can't be not trusting the OL. No. It is 100% Jones. Got it.
This
And it's not that he doesn't trust Jones to make the right throw - he doesn't trust Jones to get the ball out to the right read on time.
Most of the frustration I have seen from Daboll on the sidelines is when Jones comes of his first read and then throws the ball away.
Yeah, because Jones has all day to survey the field and pick out his 4th or 5th read. Just stand back there and wait 10 or 15 seconds for a receiver to break free. It'll happen if he just had some patience.
Do these people even watch the games?
+100
Just like every other threat on BBI, confirmation bias runs very strong here
ALmost all teams are very careful about starting a 2 minute drill at half. The usually try to get to midfield before using timeouts so that there is no chance that the opponent can get the ball back with 1:30 left.
The ignorance here is appalling.
But they made no effort to run that kind of offense, or to preserve clock, or to seem to really go for a score. Prior to the fourth down play, the thinking seemed to be: "Let's not give Dallas the ball back, or if we do, let's not leave them time to work. If we can get into field goal range, great. If not, we get the ball to start the second half."
And then they get to the fourth down play, and that thinking seems to change. They took a big risk on that play, because Dallas could have (and did) completed one pass and gotten into field goal range.
My conclusion: Daboll doesn't trust the Giants' O to run a 2-minute drill. It's not clear whether it's Jones he doesn't trust, or the line, or the receivers, or someone else. Maybe he hasn't liked what he's seen of the 2-minute O in practice. But that was a very cautious, even timid, way to handle the end of the half — until it wasn't.
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doesn't trust Jones when they went for it on 4th and 2 with the risk of not converting that could have lead to 3 points the other way.
The whole sequence was weird and the logic behind it is unclear. They had time and all three timeouts. It was a perfect spot for a 2-minute drill.
But they made no effort to run that kind of offense, or to preserve clock, or to seem to really go for a score. Prior to the fourth down play, the thinking seemed to be: "Let's not give Dallas the ball back, or if we do, let's not leave them time to work. If we can get into field goal range, great. If not, we get the ball to start the second half."
And then they get to the fourth down play, and that thinking seems to change. They took a big risk on that play, because Dallas could have (and did) completed one pass and gotten into field goal range.
My conclusion: Daboll doesn't trust the Giants' O to run a 2-minute drill. It's not clear whether it's Jones he doesn't trust, or the line, or the receivers, or someone else. Maybe he hasn't liked what he's seen of the 2-minute O in practice. But that was a very cautious, even timid, way to handle the end of the half — until it wasn't.
Listen, I agree with the timeouts. I was yelling to call them. With that said. The ball was close to the players so they just got lined up and called the play at the line of scrimmage. They weren't letting the clock run down to 1 before snapping the ball. Tom Brady has mentioned this before that they purposely would let the clock dwindle and their mentality was FG or clock run out. The other team would never get the ball back. There is a difference between not trusting your QB and having a certain philosophy. This did not scream that Daboll doesn’t trust Jones at all.
Strange morning-after to have a bone to pick with Jones. He, Thomas, and Barkley are the only ones who showed up on that side of the ball.
It was perfectly played by Daboll. If you happen to make a play or two and get within striking distance, start burning your timeouts and go for it. If you don't? Play it safe and don't give Dallas a chance to tack on points.
Yeah. If Jones has time in the pocket and good targets, I think Daboll’s approach would be a lot more indicative of Jones-specific distrust.
This passing offense is bottom 5 in the league, Daboll is coaching to win, but when you’re EPA (or insert metric) is what our passing game’s is, you can’t call games like the Bills do.
DJ and Kafka created yards from nothing.
The offense made progress in Week 3."
Daboll is evaluating everything and his might eyes tell him he shouldn’t trust the offensive line, the receivers or the quarterback in certain situations.
My eyes tell me that Jones is low on the list of players he doesn’t trust right now.
He kept them in the game last night with his arm, his legs and his toughness.
Lombardi should pick another game for killing Jones.
Can’t stand him!!
If someone triggers a guy that much to waste days typing about him - it might be time to seek help or take a pause.
People who came away from that game with the impression that Jones is terrible or that he can't be trusted are just blinded by hatred.
I bet Vegas took a bath last week on the over/under 100 Jones post quota. They have to up their game as ajr continues to flounder in his.
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He will be a fine back-up to some team.
That sounds more like it.
I feel like this is really Jones' second year in the NFL, and he's progressing now that he has a legit coaching staff. He just looks better. Is he a franchise QB? Jury is out, but at least you can now see a trajectory.
But just relying on those assumptions to make the prediction doesn't help a football pundit who needs people to pay attention to him to maintain a career as a football pundit. So you have start getting out over your skis and making statements like "Daboll doesn't trust Daniel Jones" - the evidence for which is tenuous.
Some day this team will score touchdowns again.
Some day...
But by all means lap up whatever new fake controversy this clown shovels in your dish if it makes you happy
Lombardi is talking out of his ass... Did Jones take a knee?
Yeah, I didn't think so.
If someone triggers a guy that much to waste days typing about him - it might be time to seek help or take a pause.
People who came away from that game with the impression that Jones is terrible or that he can't be trusted are just blinded by hatred.
I bet Vegas took a bath last week on the over/under 100 Jones post quota. They have to up their game as ajr continues to flounder in his.
It’s weird that you follow me around and post almost exclusively about me. I’m sure the hookers are cheap enough in Charlotte you can get your fix there.
And 100 is quit the exaggeration. I’ve also said in multiple posts Jones wasn’t at fault for last night and played ok. I’ve posted about saqoun and how we should resign him and how his blocking as improved. And how the time to throw stat lacks the context that people are making assumptions on Jones for. But sure keep up your narratives.
Your obsession with me is weird
They hate you!
Really, it is your ridiculous arguments and subjective reasoning that people hate.
Jones?
He just isn't good enough.
You are a bunch of babies that get your panties in a big bunched up wad when people criticize Ya Boi. I am sure that is very, very uncomfortable for you. That is no reason to turn into a toddler.
Buy some nice boxers, not from Walmart.
It's better.
And it's not that he doesn't trust Jones to make the right throw - he doesn't trust Jones to get the ball out to the right read on time.
Most of the frustration I have seen from Daboll on the sidelines is when Jones comes of his first read and then throws the ball away.
So it's not a frustration with Jones being wreckless, but more of a frustration for Jones not seeing the whole field and pulling the trigger.
Would love if there was an All 22 breakdown of every pass play to show what was supposed to happen vs what actually happened.
How do you know this?
They hate you!
Really, it is your ridiculous arguments and subjective reasoning that people hate.
Jones?
He just isn't good enough.
You are a bunch of babies that get your panties in a big bunched up wad when people criticize Ya Boi. I am sure that is very, very uncomfortable for you. That is no reason to turn into a toddler.
Buy some nice boxers, not from Walmart.
It's better.
You sound like a lunatic. Take a break...we get it, Jones sucks.
Also, last night it sure seemed like they loosened the handcuffs on Jones and gave him some options, they moved protection, ran more vertical route combos to try and get the ball downfield and open up some space.
We have lost a lot of close games during his career.
I hold him accountable for his play.
Not sure I buy this.
Maybe he doesn't trust his oline yet.
Thank you.
I smell bullshit. He doesn't trust him but yet.... does trust him.
Also, last night it sure seemed like they loosened the handcuffs on Jones and gave him some options, they moved protection, ran more vertical route combos to try and get the ball downfield and open up some space.
Thank you JonC. It seemed like a different offense and a different Jones last night. Still tries to make plays holding the ball too long, but it sure looked like a loosening of the reins. I liked it. Too many dropped balls and that bogus PI called on Shep killed them - well, as did Feliciano 8 yards down field on the screen...
Also, last night it sure seemed like they loosened the handcuffs on Jones and gave him some options, they moved protection, ran more vertical route combos to try and get the ball downfield and open up some space.
Agree here too. One of the best plays last night imo was one I've not seen mentioned, midway or so through first quarter: Jones takes the snap (don't recall if under C) wheels clockwise and toward the far sideline as if he's on a designed run or roll-out, the S releases on Bellinger closes on Jones, who gets it to Bellinger on time and accurately toward the far sideline, ~ 9 yards gain. It was a play I've seen run by NFL offenses! Imagine that.
I thought Bellinger had a decent night in the passing game, one of the very few 'reliable' targets.
So he's supposed to throw it to a receiver is completely covered ( or into double/triple) coverage, just so he can "let it rip"?
He holds on to the ball because the shit we have for WR can't get any separation at all
You may watch the games, but with that comment, it's pretty clear you don't know what you're watching...
You can easily argue against it, starting and ending with…take a look at that pass pro and the dudes running routes Lombardi. It’s quite literally that fucking cut and dry.
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It every time. Look at the ways the plays have been called. They don’t trust him to let it rip and attack. Some of it’s not Jones’ fault, but some of it is.
Lmfao. So where is the evidence he doesn't trust Jones. Still waiting.
If the evidence consists of a game in which Jones never throws a pass, I don't think you'll ever see it.
Jones is only one piece, and last night, the offensive woes were not his fault.
It’s really this simple and obvious
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They would have ran tbe clock out. It is unreal arguing this.
And what concede the game? Based on this logic the only way they don’t trust Jones is if they run the ball every play?
ajr, you are smarter than this. You're hatred for Jones is clouding this argument for you.
No he isn't smarter than this.
You should've read the postgame thread. He hates Jones so he makes things up just to stay in an argument.
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They would have ran tbe clock out. It is unreal arguing this.
And what concede the game? Based on this logic the only way they don’t trust Jones is if they run the ball every play?
ajr, you are smarter than this. You're hatred for Jones is clouding this argument for you.
No he isn't smarter than this.
You should've read the postgame thread. He hates Jones so he makes things up just to stay in an argument.
This is weird because I didn’t post in the game thread. Maybe you’re not smart?
Q: When you look back at last night and the way Daniel played given the unrest that he was in and some of the things he created, what did you see there? And what kind of a step forward was that for him for a lack of a better way to put it?
A: I think he’s made steps each game. I thought he played well yesterday. He was under some duress. He escaped. He made some loose plays. He did some things with his feet. He made some good throws. He competed his tail off. I thought all the guys competed. I thought we played hard, and we competed for 60 minutes. We just lacked on some other things that caused us to have the result that we had. I thought he was really good on the sideline. Again, I think he’s improved every game. He’s really improved every practice, and he was a good leader out there. And he competed as hard as he could compete and gave us a chance.