In the latest GM Shuffle, Lombardi claims that it’s obvious that Daboll doesn’t fully trust Jones. He specifically references the end of the the 2nd quarter. Giants get the ball from the Cowboys with 2:30 seconds left until halftime, with all 3 timeouts. Instead of running a two minute drill to get some points, Daboll is perfectly fine with sitting on the ball and going into half time. Hard to argue against this. It probably is a reflection on Daboll’s outlook on Jones.
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doesn't trust Jones when they went for it on 4th and 2 with the risk of not converting that could have lead to 3 points the other way.
It was 10 seconds to go on the Dal 47. Daboll called a safe play to Golladay who should of made the catch and put the team in FG range. There wasn’t much of gamble.
Are you serious? They almost gave up 3 points to Dallas by not converting. I feel like I am dealing with such stubborn people trying to validate this moron's point.
Why would they have to?
And what concede the game? Based on this logic the only way they don’t trust Jones is if they run the ball every play?
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And still go for it in that spot because they felt they had to.
Why would they have to?
Because the data supports going for it and the team needed to get some points.
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They would have ran tbe clock out. It is unreal arguing this.
And what concede the game? Based on this logic the only way they don’t trust Jones is if they run the ball every play?
ajr, you are smarter than this. You're hatred for Jones is clouding this argument for you.
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In comment 15835332 ajr2456 said:
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And still go for it in that spot because they felt they had to.
Why would they have to?
Because the data supports going for it and the team needed to get some points.
So what is the argument, Daboll doesn't trust Jones but goes for it anyway? Isn't thst the exact opposite of what Lombardi is saying?
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In comment 15835317 robbieballs2003 said:
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doesn't trust Jones when they went for it on 4th and 2 with the risk of not converting that could have lead to 3 points the other way.
It was 10 seconds to go on the Dal 47. Daboll called a safe play to Golladay who should of made the catch and put the team in FG range. There wasn’t much of gamble.
Are you serious? They almost gave up 3 points to Dallas by not converting. I feel like I am dealing with such stubborn people trying to validate this moron's point.
It was a slight gamble. Golladay should of made the catch, and it would of been difficult for Maher to make a 55+ yard kicks with in an outdoor stadium.
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In comment 15835334 robbieballs2003 said:
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In comment 15835332 ajr2456 said:
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And still go for it in that spot because they felt they had to.
Why would they have to?
Because the data supports going for it and the team needed to get some points.
So what is the argument, Daboll doesn't trust Jones but goes for it anyway? Isn't thst the exact opposite of what Lombardi is saying?
It’s not because you’re isolating one play and making a conclusion about it. Look at the full three weeks as a whole and not individual play calls
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In comment 15835329 JoeyBigBlue said:
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In comment 15835317 robbieballs2003 said:
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doesn't trust Jones when they went for it on 4th and 2 with the risk of not converting that could have lead to 3 points the other way.
It was 10 seconds to go on the Dal 47. Daboll called a safe play to Golladay who should of made the catch and put the team in FG range. There wasn’t much of gamble.
Are you serious? They almost gave up 3 points to Dallas by not converting. I feel like I am dealing with such stubborn people trying to validate this moron's point.
It was a slight gamble. Golladay should of made the catch, and it would of been difficult for Maher to make a 55+ yard kicks with in an outdoor stadium.
You don't need to explain the gamble to me. I know what the benefits and consequences were. But if the point being made is you don't trust your QB, which is complete bullshit, then why not punt it away and go into half time? If you don't trust the QB then you don't ask him to convert a 4th and 2 or throw the ball every play on that drive.
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In comment 15835338 ajr2456 said:
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In comment 15835334 robbieballs2003 said:
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In comment 15835332 ajr2456 said:
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And still go for it in that spot because they felt they had to.
Why would they have to?
Because the data supports going for it and the team needed to get some points.
So what is the argument, Daboll doesn't trust Jones but goes for it anyway? Isn't thst the exact opposite of what Lombardi is saying?
It’s not because you’re isolating one play and making a conclusion about it. Look at the full three weeks as a whole and not individual play calls
I'm not isolating one play. Why did he pass on every play in that series?
Lmfao. So where is the evidence he doesn't trust Jones. Still waiting.
Again, lmfao. Not trusting Jones other than putting the ball in his hands every play thay series. It can't be not trusting the OL. No. It is 100% Jones. Got it.
This
And it's not that he doesn't trust Jones to make the right throw - he doesn't trust Jones to get the ball out to the right read on time.
Most of the frustration I have seen from Daboll on the sidelines is when Jones comes of his first read and then throws the ball away.
Yeah, because Jones has all day to survey the field and pick out his 4th or 5th read. Just stand back there and wait 10 or 15 seconds for a receiver to break free. It'll happen if he just had some patience.
Do these people even watch the games?
+100
Just like every other threat on BBI, confirmation bias runs very strong here
ALmost all teams are very careful about starting a 2 minute drill at half. The usually try to get to midfield before using timeouts so that there is no chance that the opponent can get the ball back with 1:30 left.
The ignorance here is appalling.
But they made no effort to run that kind of offense, or to preserve clock, or to seem to really go for a score. Prior to the fourth down play, the thinking seemed to be: "Let's not give Dallas the ball back, or if we do, let's not leave them time to work. If we can get into field goal range, great. If not, we get the ball to start the second half."
And then they get to the fourth down play, and that thinking seems to change. They took a big risk on that play, because Dallas could have (and did) completed one pass and gotten into field goal range.
My conclusion: Daboll doesn't trust the Giants' O to run a 2-minute drill. It's not clear whether it's Jones he doesn't trust, or the line, or the receivers, or someone else. Maybe he hasn't liked what he's seen of the 2-minute O in practice. But that was a very cautious, even timid, way to handle the end of the half — until it wasn't.
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doesn't trust Jones when they went for it on 4th and 2 with the risk of not converting that could have lead to 3 points the other way.
The whole sequence was weird and the logic behind it is unclear. They had time and all three timeouts. It was a perfect spot for a 2-minute drill.
But they made no effort to run that kind of offense, or to preserve clock, or to seem to really go for a score. Prior to the fourth down play, the thinking seemed to be: "Let's not give Dallas the ball back, or if we do, let's not leave them time to work. If we can get into field goal range, great. If not, we get the ball to start the second half."
And then they get to the fourth down play, and that thinking seems to change. They took a big risk on that play, because Dallas could have (and did) completed one pass and gotten into field goal range.
My conclusion: Daboll doesn't trust the Giants' O to run a 2-minute drill. It's not clear whether it's Jones he doesn't trust, or the line, or the receivers, or someone else. Maybe he hasn't liked what he's seen of the 2-minute O in practice. But that was a very cautious, even timid, way to handle the end of the half — until it wasn't.
Listen, I agree with the timeouts. I was yelling to call them. With that said. The ball was close to the players so they just got lined up and called the play at the line of scrimmage. They weren't letting the clock run down to 1 before snapping the ball. Tom Brady has mentioned this before that they purposely would let the clock dwindle and their mentality was FG or clock run out. The other team would never get the ball back. There is a difference between not trusting your QB and having a certain philosophy. This did not scream that Daboll doesn’t trust Jones at all.
Strange morning-after to have a bone to pick with Jones. He, Thomas, and Barkley are the only ones who showed up on that side of the ball.
It was perfectly played by Daboll. If you happen to make a play or two and get within striking distance, start burning your timeouts and go for it. If you don't? Play it safe and don't give Dallas a chance to tack on points.
Yeah. If Jones has time in the pocket and good targets, I think Daboll’s approach would be a lot more indicative of Jones-specific distrust.
This passing offense is bottom 5 in the league, Daboll is coaching to win, but when you’re EPA (or insert metric) is what our passing game’s is, you can’t call games like the Bills do.
DJ and Kafka created yards from nothing.
The offense made progress in Week 3."
Daboll is evaluating everything and his might eyes tell him he shouldn’t trust the offensive line, the receivers or the quarterback in certain situations.
My eyes tell me that Jones is low on the list of players he doesn’t trust right now.
He kept them in the game last night with his arm, his legs and his toughness.
Lombardi should pick another game for killing Jones.
Can’t stand him!!
If someone triggers a guy that much to waste days typing about him - it might be time to seek help or take a pause.
People who came away from that game with the impression that Jones is terrible or that he can't be trusted are just blinded by hatred.
I bet Vegas took a bath last week on the over/under 100 Jones post quota. They have to up their game as ajr continues to flounder in his.
In comment 15835315 GiantBlue said:
He will be a fine back-up to some team.
That sounds more like it.
I feel like this is really Jones' second year in the NFL, and he's progressing now that he has a legit coaching staff. He just looks better. Is he a franchise QB? Jury is out, but at least you can now see a trajectory.
But just relying on those assumptions to make the prediction doesn't help a football pundit who needs people to pay attention to him to maintain a career as a football pundit. So you have start getting out over your skis and making statements like "Daboll doesn't trust Daniel Jones" - the evidence for which is tenuous.
Some day this team will score touchdowns again.
Some day...
But by all means lap up whatever new fake controversy this clown shovels in your dish if it makes you happy
Lombardi is talking out of his ass... Did Jones take a knee?
Yeah, I didn't think so.
If someone triggers a guy that much to waste days typing about him - it might be time to seek help or take a pause.
People who came away from that game with the impression that Jones is terrible or that he can't be trusted are just blinded by hatred.
I bet Vegas took a bath last week on the over/under 100 Jones post quota. They have to up their game as ajr continues to flounder in his.
It’s weird that you follow me around and post almost exclusively about me. I’m sure the hookers are cheap enough in Charlotte you can get your fix there.
And 100 is quit the exaggeration. I’ve also said in multiple posts Jones wasn’t at fault for last night and played ok. I’ve posted about saqoun and how we should resign him and how his blocking as improved. And how the time to throw stat lacks the context that people are making assumptions on Jones for. But sure keep up your narratives.
Your obsession with me is weird