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Michael Lombardi - “Daboll doesn’t trust Jones”

JoeyBigBlue : 9/27/2022 1:20 pm
In the latest GM Shuffle, Lombardi claims that it’s obvious that Daboll doesn’t fully trust Jones. He specifically references the end of the the 2nd quarter. Giants get the ball from the Cowboys with 2:30 seconds left until halftime, with all 3 timeouts. Instead of running a two minute drill to get some points, Daboll is perfectly fine with sitting on the ball and going into half time. Hard to argue against this. It probably is a reflection on Daboll’s outlook on Jones.
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Misplaced hate  
Thegratefulhead : 9/27/2022 4:18 pm : link
No one hates Jones, they think he sucks, you insufferable twats.

They hate you!

Really, it is your ridiculous arguments and subjective reasoning that people hate.

Jones?

He just isn't good enough.

You are a bunch of babies that get your panties in a big bunched up wad when people criticize Ya Boi. I am sure that is very, very uncomfortable for you. That is no reason to turn into a toddler.

Buy some nice boxers, not from Walmart.

It's better.
RE: This is pretty damn apparent  
Hammer : 9/27/2022 4:23 pm : link
In comment 15835258 BigBlue7 said:
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And it's not that he doesn't trust Jones to make the right throw - he doesn't trust Jones to get the ball out to the right read on time.

Most of the frustration I have seen from Daboll on the sidelines is when Jones comes of his first read and then throws the ball away.

So it's not a frustration with Jones being wreckless, but more of a frustration for Jones not seeing the whole field and pulling the trigger.

Would love if there was an All 22 breakdown of every pass play to show what was supposed to happen vs what actually happened.


How do you know this?
RE: Misplaced hate  
Thunderstruck27 : 9/27/2022 4:24 pm : link
In comment 15835644 Thegratefulhead said:
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No one hates Jones, they think he sucks, you insufferable twats.

They hate you!

Really, it is your ridiculous arguments and subjective reasoning that people hate.

Jones?

He just isn't good enough.

You are a bunch of babies that get your panties in a big bunched up wad when people criticize Ya Boi. I am sure that is very, very uncomfortable for you. That is no reason to turn into a toddler.

Buy some nice boxers, not from Walmart.

It's better.


You sound like a lunatic. Take a break...we get it, Jones sucks.
During the first two games and parts of last night  
JonC : 9/27/2022 4:32 pm : link
yes I'd agree, they're being very specific with what's called for Jones and they're trying to guide him through the action while everyone comes up to speed on the new system. This also applies to the OL and the skill players. Collectively and also each man has to demonstrate a grasp of assignments.

Also, last night it sure seemed like they loosened the handcuffs on Jones and gave him some options, they moved protection, ran more vertical route combos to try and get the ball downfield and open up some space.
Never big in moments that matter  
Thegratefulhead : 9/27/2022 4:39 pm : link
For everyone's talk about the OL and skill players, that was a very, very competitive game until late in the 4th quarter. If Jones could have thrown a perfect, indefensible pass or 2 in key moments, we win that game.

We have lost a lot of close games during his career.

I hold him accountable for his play.
RE: He doesn't trust him but  
djm : 9/27/2022 4:40 pm : link
In comment 15835250 Giantimistic said:
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goes for it on 4th and 2 on the 50 and throws a pass.

Not sure I buy this.

Maybe he doesn't trust his oline yet.


Thank you.

I smell bullshit. He doesn't trust him but yet.... does trust him.

RE: During the first two games and parts of last night  
section125 : 9/27/2022 4:41 pm : link
In comment 15835669 JonC said:
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yes I'd agree, they're being very specific with what's called for Jones and they're trying to guide him through the action while everyone comes up to speed on the new system. This also applies to the OL and the skill players. Collectively and also each man has to demonstrate a grasp of assignments.

Also, last night it sure seemed like they loosened the handcuffs on Jones and gave him some options, they moved protection, ran more vertical route combos to try and get the ball downfield and open up some space.


Thank you JonC. It seemed like a different offense and a different Jones last night. Still tries to make plays holding the ball too long, but it sure looked like a loosening of the reins. I liked it. Too many dropped balls and that bogus PI called on Shep killed them - well, as did Feliciano 8 yards down field on the screen...
RE: During the first two games and parts of last night  
ColHowPepper : 9/27/2022 4:50 pm : link
In comment 15835669 JonC said:
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yes I'd agree, they're being very specific with what's called for Jones and they're trying to guide him through the action while everyone comes up to speed on the new system. This also applies to the OL and the skill players. Collectively and also each man has to demonstrate a grasp of assignments.

Also, last night it sure seemed like they loosened the handcuffs on Jones and gave him some options, they moved protection, ran more vertical route combos to try and get the ball downfield and open up some space.

Agree here too. One of the best plays last night imo was one I've not seen mentioned, midway or so through first quarter: Jones takes the snap (don't recall if under C) wheels clockwise and toward the far sideline as if he's on a designed run or roll-out, the S releases on Bellinger closes on Jones, who gets it to Bellinger on time and accurately toward the far sideline, ~ 9 yards gain. It was a play I've seen run by NFL offenses! Imagine that.
I thought Bellinger had a decent night in the passing game, one of the very few 'reliable' targets.
Looked To Me  
Bernie : 9/27/2022 4:55 pm : link
That they were trying to push the ball deep but DJ didn’t like what he saw so he held it and that’s when the pressure came. In the 4th qtr, I was yelling at the TV for him to just let it rip. This offense needs to develop confidence.
Maybe he doesn't trust the o line and receivers  
kelly : 9/27/2022 5:34 pm : link
That's where the problem was
Lombardi is a moron  
Jerry in_DC : 9/27/2022 6:08 pm : link
But it couldn't be more obvious that they don't trust Jones. Just watch the games. It looks like they're calling plays for a 3rd round rookie.
RE: Looked To Me  
speedywheels : 9/27/2022 6:19 pm : link
In comment 15835693 Bernie said:
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That they were trying to push the ball deep but DJ didn’t like what he saw so he held it and that’s when the pressure came. In the 4th qtr, I was yelling at the TV for him to just let it rip. This offense needs to develop confidence.


So he's supposed to throw it to a receiver is completely covered ( or into double/triple) coverage, just so he can "let it rip"?

He holds on to the ball because the shit we have for WR can't get any separation at all
RE: Lombardi is a moron  
speedywheels : 9/27/2022 6:20 pm : link
In comment 15835763 Jerry in_DC said:
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But it couldn't be more obvious that they don't trust Jones. Just watch the games. It looks like they're calling plays for a 3rd round rookie.


You may watch the games, but with that comment, it's pretty clear you don't know what you're watching...
A couple things  
BSIMatt : 9/27/2022 6:46 pm : link
This guy is a complete imbecile.

You can easily argue against it, starting and ending with…take a look at that pass pro and the dudes running routes Lombardi. It’s quite literally that fucking cut and dry.
RE: RE: Because you can’t just not pass the ball and run  
santacruzom : 9/27/2022 8:03 pm : link
In comment 15835366 robbieballs2003 said:
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It every time. Look at the ways the plays have been called. They don’t trust him to let it rip and attack. Some of it’s not Jones’ fault, but some of it is.



Lmfao. So where is the evidence he doesn't trust Jones. Still waiting.


If the evidence consists of a game in which Jones never throws a pass, I don't think you'll ever see it.
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SFGFNCGiantsFan : 9/27/2022 8:06 pm : link
We have way too many Michael Lombardi threads on BBI.
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arcarsenal : 9/27/2022 8:08 pm : link
It's not that Daboll doesn't trust Jones. He lacks confidence in the entire operation.. meaning, the pass blocking, which was virtually non-existent, and the pass-catching group which has to be the worst in the NFL at this point.

Jones is only one piece, and last night, the offensive woes were not his fault.
RE: Maybe he doesn't trust the o line and receivers  
No1MDGiantsFan : 9/27/2022 8:08 pm : link
In comment 15835741 kelly said:
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That's where the problem was


It’s really this simple and obvious
RE: RE: RE: They also wouldn't have continued to pass the ball.  
giantstock : 9/27/2022 8:28 pm : link
In comment 15835339 robbieballs2003 said:
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They would have ran tbe clock out. It is unreal arguing this.



And what concede the game? Based on this logic the only way they don’t trust Jones is if they run the ball every play?



ajr, you are smarter than this. You're hatred for Jones is clouding this argument for you.


No he isn't smarter than this.

You should've read the postgame thread. He hates Jones so he makes things up just to stay in an argument.
RE: RE: RE: RE: They also wouldn't have continued to pass the ball.  
ajr2456 : 9/27/2022 8:50 pm : link
In comment 15835960 giantstock said:
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They would have ran tbe clock out. It is unreal arguing this.



And what concede the game? Based on this logic the only way they don’t trust Jones is if they run the ball every play?



ajr, you are smarter than this. You're hatred for Jones is clouding this argument for you.



No he isn't smarter than this.

You should've read the postgame thread. He hates Jones so he makes things up just to stay in an argument.


This is weird because I didn’t post in the game thread. Maybe you’re not smart?
Of course, we could always go to Daboll's own words to check  
Tom in NY : 9/27/2022 9:15 pm : link
From today's presser:

Q: When you look back at last night and the way Daniel played given the unrest that he was in and some of the things he created, what did you see there? And what kind of a step forward was that for him for a lack of a better way to put it?

A: I think he’s made steps each game. I thought he played well yesterday. He was under some duress. He escaped. He made some loose plays. He did some things with his feet. He made some good throws. He competed his tail off. I thought all the guys competed. I thought we played hard, and we competed for 60 minutes. We just lacked on some other things that caused us to have the result that we had. I thought he was really good on the sideline. Again, I think he’s improved every game. He’s really improved every practice, and he was a good leader out there. And he competed as hard as he could compete and gave us a chance.
I can't believe the nonsense in this thread ..  
DefenseWins : 9/27/2022 9:39 pm : link
Some of you have completely lost it
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